Use of Transfers Classic Case

Mr Honda

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There's been an extensive conversation over the last several years, regarding the use of transfers, especially among "public" schools in North Carolina.

There's one program I've mentioned several times regarding transfers and that's Grimsley. They are the classic case of a school making extensive use of transfers in developing their "program". I'm addressing nothing against coach Brown. He's an excellent coach. But I do question methods in developing a program.

It's one thing to say a team is using transfers because most people only see it on a season by season basis. It's quite another when you see the effects of those high level transfers over time.

Coach Brown was at Southern Guilford High School for 15 years before coming to Grimsley. During his time at Southern his record was 94-44. His conference record during that time was an impressive 45-13. That was all before the transfer bug hit in full force. So, he's a very good coach.

But the questions arise with Grimsley's relatively quick rise to power. Coach Brown arrived at Grimsley in 2017. In the 10 years prior to coach Brown's arrival the Whirlies were 31-78. They weren't exactly on anyone's radar as a powerhouse.

His first season with the Whirlies, they were 9-6, a respectable record, considering what Grimsley had done the 10 years prior.

For me, the questions arise about transfers with Grimsley's record since 2018. Beginning with the 2019 season, up until now, Grimsley is 83-4. Is it me, or does that kind of a turnaround for a so called public school's football program seem strange?

That kind of leap doesn’t happen just by “developing what you have.” It requires a drawing in of high-level athletes, and Grimsley has consistently landed transfers who are already polished, often with Power 5 interest. There are other schools following suit, therefore hurting the competitive balance in high school football.

High-profile transfers like Faizon Brandon (5-star QB) and others didn’t just stumble into the program. These are athletes with options, and they chose Grimsley for a reason; visibility, coaching, and a winning culture.

The program’s social media presence, branding, and what can look like, recruiting style would look like what you’d expect from a school actively cultivating its appeal to top talent.

Grimsley is a public school, but its football program operates with a magnet like pull. In today’s climate; where open enrollment, NIL talk, and exposure dominate; Grimsley has positioned itself as a destination.

Grimsley's turnaround was too rapid and too talent heavy to be accidental. It’s a case study in how a "public" school program can leverage transfers to build dynasties.

All this while other schools' programs are mired in mediocrity.
 

Powidz

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If opposing coaches are not going to monitor and report the issues with facts look for it to continue. It starts there. I remember in the late 70s High School football was as popular at the time as it is now. But kids couldn't really get away with this. I do remember a stud RB at then power Pine Forest named Jeff McCall who went on to win a national championship at Clemson. He moved right before his senior year from the Pine Forest district to the also ran Westover district. Everyone and their brother knew it. I was a student at Westover. I was excited we would get a player of that caliber. But seeing as he had been at Pine Forest already for 3 years and was going to be a senior he didn't want to change schools, he wanted to remain at Pine Forest. The Westover coach at that time knew about his move into the district. To his credit the Westover coach either quietly agreed to let him remain playing for Pine Forest or simply ignored the move. But in that case it is the opposite of what we have today. It was a kid who played already 3 years at a power and whose family moved and he wanted to stay with his team instead of joining a new team for his senior year only. It was the opposite of joining an already existing power through recruitment.

I do also remember another stud named Louis Craft. Another stud RB in junior high. His family moved or there was a district rezoning that took place. He was set on attending EE Smith but unexpectedly was forced through the move or rezoning to attend Terry Sanford. He was so distraught he literally sat out 2 years, he refused to play for Terry Sanford. Finally he only played as a senior at Terry Sanford. In his first game played in 3 years he lit defending state champion Richmond County up for over 200 yards rushing and a surprisingly easy Terry Sanford win. His presence ignited a Terry Sanford football resurgence that lasted several years. But the point is he absolutely had to attend Terry Sanford he could not sneak quietly onto playing for EE Smith. Today he would not be questioned probably in suiting up for EE Smith. Point is these things you simply couldn't get away with back then. If they had a handle on it back then, why is it so out of control now? We typically hear the excuse "well it's too difficult to stop it" and that's it.
 
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sammyk32

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The Genie is out of the bottle and has been for years. It works either way and if you are going to win "Big" you are going to need some"Help". When I was at Parkland Adrian Snow told me that in 4A(the biggest classification then) that you can not win it all with just your kids. And he was right. When I was at Parkland we were awful years 1-2-3 because most of the kids that would have been studs at Parkland were at West Forsyth Mt Tabor and North Davidson. So I could have either complained and kept taking a$$ whippings or get into the game. Then we got a "transfer: Kyndel Dean from Carver and that changed our program and the next three years were much better. From that point on we knew we could never compete Tabor, East Forsyth , West Forsyth and Reagan type of kids they were getting so we pretty much went for the leftovers that those schools did not get so we got RJ Reynolds, North Forsyth, Prep, Glenn transfers. Guys it is what it is you are either "Getting Kids" or you are not but until some governing body comes in and drops hammers on recruiting and transfers it will continue. And then I went to Rolesville and all of the sudden the starting QB transfers to Wake forest so I said Game on I did the same thing as I did in Winston and we were good in a hurry. In fact the guy there at Rolesville has taken it to a new level they should change the name of the school to Mckinney Vento High. So again its not going to change.
 
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Powidz

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The Genie is out of the bottle and has been for years. It works either way and if you are going to win "Big" you are going to need some"Help". When I was at Parkland Adrian Snow told me that in 4A(the biggest classification then) that you can not win it all with just your kids. And he was right. When I was at Parkland we were awful years 1-2-3 because most of the kids that would have been studs at Parkland were at West Forsyth Mt Tabor and North Davidson. So I could have either complained and kept taking a$$ whippings or get into the game. Then we got a "transfer: Kyndel Dean from Carver and that changed our program and the next three years were much better. From that point on we knew we could never compete Tabor, East Forsyth , West Forsyth and Reagan type of kids they were getting so we pretty much went for the leftovers that those schools did not get so we got RJ Reynolds, North Forsyth, Prep, Glenn transfers. Guys it is what it is you are either "Getting Kids" or you are not but until some governing body comes in and drops hammers on recruiting and transfers it will continue. And then I went to Rolesville and all of the sudden the starting QB transfers to Wake forest so I said Game on I did the same thing as I did in Winston and we were good in a hurry. In fact the guy there at Rolesville has taken it to a new level they should change the name of the school to Mckinney Vento High. So again its not going to change.
Is there an unwritten rule or stigma among coaches not to " rat the other coaches out " who are gaming the system? To me it seems it has to start at the coaching level. If not there then where?
 

Clipped Wings

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Is there an unwritten rule or stigma among coaches not to " rat the other coaches out " who are gaming the system? To me it seems it has to start at the coaching level. If not there then where?
I still believe that the Southwestern 4A schools told on each other back in 07, somebody likely pointed at Indy and then half the conference gets investigated. Selective enforcement of the rules was an issue in that case.