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Really surprised/disappointed that Diego Luna didn’t get the call. I don’t get it.
 
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cross bar rattles! Damn! Get a goal, keep pressing. Shoot from distance.
 
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Tom McAndrew said:
www.theguardian.com

Fans treat USMNT like a club side – and it could cost Berhalter his job

With eyes on a World Cup on home soil, Copa América will be a referendum on the team’s head coach
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Sack this guy now and offer the position to Marcelo Gallardo. For the love of god, for once, get an attacking minded manager who can get the talent on this team running in the right direction instead of standing still admiring their passes.

Gallardo is on a short term contract in Saudi Arabia. Nobody wants to be there if there are better opportunities elsewhere.
 
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Tom McAndrew said:
www.theguardian.com

Fans treat USMNT like a club side – and it could cost Berhalter his job

With eyes on a World Cup on home soil, Copa América will be a referendum on the team’s head coach
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It's a fair article. Some US fans are very delusional as to where this team is really from a talent standpoint internationally. It is the most talented team the US has had, but that is like saying this is Italy's golden age of basketball and they are just a manager away. They aren't winning the COPA or the WC and you could remove GB tomorrow and that won't change my opinion there. I wished they did move on from him just to see people wake up and see....oh wait maybe we are more than a player or two away even with a new manager. You cannot play attacking football when you're the less talented team and in real competitions....that is what the US is...the less talented team outside of CONCACAF for the most part. How many less talented teams out press the best clubs or international teams? Answer = 0.0, they sit back, absorb it, and pray for the counter.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
It's a fair article. Some US fans are very delusional as to where this team is really from a talent standpoint internationally. It is the most talented team the US has had, but that is like saying this is Italy's golden age of basketball and they are just a manager away. They aren't winning the COPA or the WC and you could remove GB tomorrow and that won't change my opinion there. I wished they did move on from him just to see people wake up and see....oh wait maybe we are more than a player or two away even with a new manager. You cannot play attacking football when you're the less talented team and in real competitions....that is what the US is...the less talented team outside of CONCACAF for the most part. How many less talented teams out press the best clubs or international teams? Answer = 0.0, they sit back, absorb it, and pray for the counter.
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I think it’s directed more at USA soccer. The game plan always seems to default to let’s reach back into the bag of stale bread yet one more time and try to make a delicious fresh sandwich.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Do something bold.
 
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Tgar said:
I think it’s directed more at USA soccer. The game plan always seems to default to let’s reach back into the bag of stale bread yet one more time and try to make a delicious fresh sandwich.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Do something bold.
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Fair enough, but bringing in an outsider was done already too...it didn't elevate the US up any higher. It just highlighted the pay for play situation that all foreign players and coaches know is holding the US back. I'm all for a great outsider coming in, but that line isn't exactly going to be a long one for the best coaches as they are employed at better spots.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
Fair enough, but bringing in an outsider was done already too...it didn't elevate the US up any higher. It just highlighted the pay for play situation that all foreign players and coaches know is holding the US back. I'm all for a great outsider coming in, but that line isn't exactly going to be a long one for the best coaches as they are employed at better spots.
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Hire Marcelo Gallardo for two years. Fresh start for the operation.
 
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Hire Marcelo Gallardo for two years. Fresh start for the operation.
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Changes need to be at the top of the US Soccer federation first IMO. The problems with US soccer aren't just some new manager and that needs to be fixed first. You could say bring in Pep or Jurgen and those coaches couldn't run the style they want with this player pool, not even close to it.

Until US Soccer gets serious about finding and identifying real talent that aren't paying 10k a year at the youth level because Mommy and Daddy need an ego boost we'll be a mediocre international team stuck playing in a weak Concacaf. It sounds sour, but Ronaldo was getting thrown away hamburgers from McDonalds and was found out. The US Soccer setup is doomed to fail so unless Gallardo can shake up that tree which he could not as an outsider, it doesn't really matter....get rid of Parlow and all of the alum US Team members still thinking the US system is a good one because we now have some academies. The sheer amount of talent missed from an athletic standpoint in this country is going to be hard to overcome without real changes. There are too many junior level coaches now being paid to suck off that pay for play teet so it will take an outsider at the top blowing up the current youth systems.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
Changes need to be at the top of the US Soccer federation first IMO. The problems with US soccer aren't just some new manager and that needs to be fixed first. You could say bring in Pep or Jurgen and those coaches couldn't run the style they want with this player pool, not even close to it.

Until US Soccer gets serious about finding and identifying real talent that aren't paying 10k a year at the youth level because Mommy and Daddy need an ego boost we'll be a mediocre international team stuck playing in a weak Concacaf. It sounds sour, but Ronaldo was getting thrown away hamburgers from McDonalds and was found out. The US Soccer setup is doomed to fail so unless Gallardo can shake up that tree which he could not as an outsider, it doesn't really matter....get rid of Parlow and all of the alum US Team members still thinking the US system is a good one because we now have some academies. The sheer amount of talent missed from an athletic standpoint in this country is going to be hard to overcome without real changes. There are too many junior level coaches now being paid to suck off that pay for play teet so it will take an outsider at the top blowing up the current youth systems.
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No disagreement regarding the short comings of the top down organization in place. Totally agree.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
It's a fair article. Some US fans are very delusional as to where this team is really from a talent standpoint internationally. It is the most talented team the US has had, but that is like saying this is Italy's golden age of basketball and they are just a manager away. They aren't winning the COPA or the WC and you could remove GB tomorrow and that won't change my opinion there. I wished they did move on from him just to see people wake up and see....oh wait maybe we are more than a player or two away even with a new manager. You cannot play attacking football when you're the less talented team and in real competitions....that is what the US is...the less talented team outside of CONCACAF for the most part. How many less talented teams out press the best clubs or international teams? Answer = 0.0, they sit back, absorb it, and pray for the counter.
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Is it delusional to think we shouldn't be treating Panama like they are Argentina and cede the play to Panama even with a man down?
There are a lot of people who think that GB's halftime subs were completely disaterous. I agree completely with them.

Nobody thought we were going to win the copa. But we should beat Panama or at least draw to them even with a man down.

Gregg has been a complete disaster and it is time to move on.
 
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Is it delusional to think we shouldn't be treating Panama like they are Argentina and cede the play to Panama even with a man down?
There are a lot of people who think that GB's halftime subs were completely disaterous. I agree completely with them.

Nobody thought we were going to win the copa. But we should beat Panama or at least draw to them even with a man down.

Gregg has been a complete disaster and it is time to move on.
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You keep thinking US is just a HC away.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
You keep thinking US is just a HC away.
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I absolutely don't, I thought I made it clear that I didn't expect them to win the copa.
But getting out of the group stages in an easy group should be a given.

And despite Weah's ridiculous folly, I at least hoped for changes that would not put us even further behind.
I am not the only one saying this.

 
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GreggK said:
Gregg has been a complete disaster
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Our results under Berhalter in competitions that matter (non-friendlies)...

2019 Gold Cup - lost in Final to Mexico
2021 Gold Cup - won (beat Mexico in Final)
2020 Nations League - won (beat Mexico in Final)
2022 World Cup - qualified, finished 2nd in our group, lost in Round of 16
2024 Nations League - won (beat Mexico in Final)

I think you might need to reevaluate the definition of "complete disaster"...
 
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GreggK said:
I absolutely don't, I thought I made it clear that I didn't expect them to win the copa.
But getting out of the group stages in an easy group should be a given.

And despite Weah's ridiculous folly, I at least hoped for changes that would not put us even further behind.
I am not the only one saying this.

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Yeah if you don't go a man down in the 18th minute it should have been easier, but that is 100% on Tim Weah. He got baited off the ball and you cannot say he didn't know better. He's not some 19 year old in his first start either. You should be buying him a beer, he helped you get your wish.

I also understand taking a defensive posture in a group match where a draw is a fine result a man down. Austria and Romania just won their groups over Holland, France, and Belgium. Georgia beat Portugal 2-0, the TICOS drew Brazil at full strength, but the US cannot lose to Panama a man down? I like rational discussions Gregg, not guys just repeating podcast hot takes and acting like they are the end all.

When you say the guy that got the US back in the WC and out of the group stages was a complete disaster...I tune you out as it's not even a rational point. He's won trophies with A and B squads. I don't agree with all his moves, but I also know there is not some magic coach with this roster moving it to some next level. He's pretty much gone unless Uruguay packs it in so maybe you can finally calm down and relax your obsession like the HC is just holding the US back. The fact you disregard going a man down at this level and its impact at the time it occurred in the match speaks volumes....and not in a good way. Peace out, but I know where you’re going with this....just not worth it.
 
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Aiden Morris may not go to the Olympics, as he was just signed away from Columbus to Middlesborough--and they are in their pre-season training. It is not clear if he will be released or not. He was a key player on two MLS Cup winners here
 
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kgilbert78 said:
Aiden Morris may not go to the Olympics, as he was just signed away from Columbus to Middlesborough--and they are in their pre-season training. It is not clear if he will be released or not. He was a key player on two MLS Cup winners here
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Nice, he can go play for Michael Carrick and hopefully challenge this year to move up.
 
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LaJollaCreek said:
So have I for 30+ years and GB has been one of the more successful US coaches if you're being honest during that stretch. Win totals and percentage, trophies, getting out of the group stage of his first WC. The US is now 6 straight unbeaten versus Mexico and who started that train? Mexico has nobody young and are weening off their older stars so your prediction last night was genius. No Chuckie Lazano, Herrera, and a host of other main players in the Mexican roster for years. It's not that you disagree with me, it's your emphatic BS on your takes that is annoying. The US failed to qualify for the WC before last....he got them out of the group stage. The US won multiple trophies the summer before last...with A and B squads. It's total lack of objectivity that makes your recycled Twitter takes suck. Later Dunning Kruger....go back to Twitter and get your next hot take.
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Womp womp. Sort of embarrassed for you.
On the bright side, lets hope the USA get their act together and go big.
I wish we had Jesse Marsch, the same Jesse Marsch who got Canada through to the group stages but if we can get Klopp out of all of this, I will take it.

www.liverpool.com

Jurgen Klopp has unexpected stance on taking USA job after Copa America disaster

Jurgen Klopp could cut short his break from coaching if the USMNT fires Gregg Berhalter, with the former Liverpool coach said to be open to considering one of two national team roles
www.liverpool.com www.liverpool.com
 
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