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57stratdawg

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I will give Vandy credit, I don't think those guys are kicked out of the University at most other SEC schools. At least during the investigation stage.
 
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birdawg

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Its def true and its awful. My wife and I have been amazed how this hasnt gotten out yet here in Nashville.
 
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patdog

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I think any SEC school would have handled this exactly like Vandy did. Vandy didn't kick them off the team immediately. They just suspended them while they did their own investigation. I think they found enough to know how the legal thing is going to turn out and didn't have much choice but to kick them out of school.
 
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At some point, shouldn't someone actually try and look into the problems that boys and men like this are facing these days? You've got every sort of resource possible available out there for women's issues, even months of the year where mfers wear pink ******* towels in honor of breast cancer. Yet there's nothing to prepare men for the what they are going to face as soon as they get a glimpse of any type of fame. Going to be a big problem in the future with college football players, especially as big as it's getting these days.

These guys are ruining their lives over stupidity, and it seems like it almost happens weekly. I know most of it could be traced back to family, absence of fathers, etc. Maybe it's an issue schools could look into, investing more into male counselors. Churches should have an outreach program for young men maybe.
 
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patdog said:
I think any SEC school would have handled this exactly like Vandy did. Vandy didn't kick them off the team immediately. They just suspended them while they did their own investigation. I think they found enough to know how the legal thing is going to turn out and didn't have much choice but to kick them out of school.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. These players haven't been arrested or charged with anything yet, they're just being investigated. I don't doubt they did something awful, but I don't think they're kicked out of school at a public university. There are 60K kids enrolled in college in MS right now, I'd be willing to bet one of them is being investigated for a sex crime.

Seems like Florida would have booted Aaron Hernandez out after his freshman year.
 
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AlanDawg

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I'm confused by the Breast Cancer pink towels? Perhaps you can tell me about how troubled young women thrown into fame have breast cancer. Is that the point you were trying to get across?
 
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WTF, are you talking about?

Are you saying the players do this b/c they don't know how to handle being a star athlete? Surely we don't need to teach kids not to rape do we? Has it come to that?
 
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birdawg

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I've been hearing there's security cam footage of the 4 gentlemen carrying a drunken female on their shoulders into their room...

If true I imagine that would be enough for any University to do what they did.

57stratdawg said:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. These players haven't been arrested or charged with anything yet, they're just being investigated. I don't doubt they did something awful, but I don't think they're kicked out of school at a public university. There are 60K kids enrolled in college in MS right now, I'd be willing to bet one of them is being investigated for a sex crime.

Seems like Florida would have booted Aaron Hernandez out after his freshman year.
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Obviously we need Rape Awareness month to teach these poor athletes rape is bad

I mean, how are they supposed to.know not to rape people?
 
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Under one of his many previous usernames, he made some comments that things like this are usually the fault of women.

Once that is clear, I think you can see what he is trying to say.
 
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Optimus Prime 4 said:
I mean, how are they supposed to.know not to rape people?
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If you've never hear a young girl describe how growing up in her inner city environment meant that at some point as a pre-teen/early teen she expected someone to just come up to her and "take it". And often it was going to be a relative. And while she didn't like it, it wasn't something to be reported as a crime, but rather "just the way it is".

So that doesn't justify anything, however, it's a perspective that I've never forgotten. And if that environment shapes the perspective of the victim to the extent that she is just fearful until it happens and then just expects men to treat her that way going forward, I can imagine that it somewhat changes the view of the males growing up in that environment.

I have no idea about the young men's background, but normal, moral expectations about when sex is OK is absolutely lost on many of the youth today. It' s hard to fight those kinds of battles in a morally relativistic society and getting harder by the day...

As a similar mindset kind of thing; while not on the level of raping a human, I suspect that Michael Vick just grew up fighting dogs and didn't really give it a ton of consideration and was probably genuinely blindsided when he was vilified in that way.
 
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It's not just the inner city...

Steubenville happens a lot. They just happened to film it and got caught. These guys were at Vanderbilt after all, so you'd think (stereotypically) that they grew up with at least some sort of a positive influence.

From the poorest corner of a run down city to the richest suburb with the most elite private schools, men grow up thinking that women are objects. They may not be explicitly taught it, but it's what they observe, and it's what they then imitate. They grow up with an ingrained idea that they have more power than the "weaker" sex. Doesn't always lead to violent rape, but it seeps into society in a myriad of ways, from pay differential (and other workplace discrimination) to roles in religion.

/this, posted on a board that has a daily thread of near nude women... the irony is not lost on me.
 
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57stratdawg said:
I will give Vandy credit, I don't think those guys are kicked out of the University at most other SEC schools. At least during the investigation stage.
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I don't think they should be kicked out during the investigation stage, unless they have already found enough to determine they were likely guilty. If there is security footage of them carrying a passed out girl to a room, that's probably pretty good reason. If it's a he said/she said (or he, he, he and he said/she said), it's tough to kick them out until you have a determination of what happened.
 
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Wow, so unbelievably wrong.

The society we believe in is completely the opposite....the women are the ones with the power. That's why the divorce rates are so high. Men may see women as objects, but those objects are on a pedestal with most American cuckold men. And that **** is a problem. We live in a feminized society in every shape, form or fashion. Masculine activity is frowned upon.

"Workplace discrimination"???? GIVE ME A BREAK, you damn liberal. This isn't 1940. I bet you think Zimmerman should get the gas too.
 
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