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[esplanade91]

Started the game thinking "I don't want to play these guys"...

Now I'm thinking I think they're overrrated. Ole Miss looks like they have the talent to pull it together mid season form and possibly next season but they looked bad... Ole Miss had their way. Someone (sorry for not giving you credit, I don't remember) was talking about Franklin not ever getting better and how he should have left and now I'm starting to agree.

Has nothing to do with them losing or winning. Other than offensive line and Matthews being a beast they were garbage. They did the little things right (that WR block was awesome) but sometimes hard work doesn't make up for talent.

 

[121Josey]

Crazy how everyone is hating on Vandy. Wish I knew what was the reason. They just didn't have an answer for Treadwell in the third quarter (didn't catch a pass in the 4th). Vandy stopped their pass and TSUN gashed them on the run. Why else call a speed rush from your own 25 under 1:30? [I'll answer that: because it was a block in the back by Moncrief. I asked myself why the CB didn't just push him out of bounds.]
[video]http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9614844[/video]

Last year against TSUN I thought Vandy looked like a high school team for three quarters. Then Vandy came back and won the game.

[As an aside, I think that the bad spot in the 4th really hurt Vandy. That drive was already at 7 plays and over 3 mins.]

Franklin not every getting better?
2009 2-10
2010 2-10 (Franklin's first year)
2011 6-7
2012 9-4

He won with 2-star talent. Do you think he can't win with 3-star talent?

 

[Drebin]

They just didn't have an answer for Treadwell in the third quarter.

Are you Matt Millen?

 

[Heawww]

Someone (sorry for not giving you credit, I don't remember) was talking about Franklin not ever getting better and how he should have left and now I'm starting to agree.

That was me. But I don't want to take too much credit, seeing these things is just common sense. Many MSU fans WANTED Vandy to be good and therefore win this game, but they are still Vandy. It's harder to win up there than at State and Ole Miss. And the third years are usually slump years. Franklin absolutely should have left last year. They can't even fill up half their stadium for their season opener, how the hell are they ever going to build a program? Last ceiling was their absolute ceiling. Most seasons, 6 wins would typically be it.

Again, I quote Joe Kines:

"Good coaches and good players will win, bad coaches and good players will win. But a good coach and bad players will get your *** beat."

 

[121Josey]

Are you Matt Millen?

No. I just happened to watch the game. See if you can pick out a trend here.

Ole Miss at 12:21	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at MISS 37	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 15 yards to the Vandy 48 for a 1ST down.	10	21
1st and 10 at VAN 48	Jeff Scott rush for 1 yard to the Vandy 47.
2nd and 9 at VAN 47	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 11 yards to the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 17 yards to the Vandy 19 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 19	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 7 yards to the Vandy 12.
2nd and 3 at VAN 12	Bo Wallace pass complete to Evan Engram for 9 yards to the Vandy 3 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at VAN 3	Barry Brunetti rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	16	21
	Andrew Ritter extra point GOOD.	17	21
	Andrew Ritter kickoff for 65 yards for a touchback.
DRIVE TOTALS: OLEMISS drive: 7 plays 63 yards, 01:56 OLEMISS TD
Vanderbilt at 10:25	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at VAN 25	Brian Kimbrow rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 29.	17	21
2nd and 6 at VAN 29	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards to the Vandy 32.
3rd and 3 at VAN 32	Brian Kimbrow rush for 2 yards, fumbled, recovered by Vandy Andrew Bridges at the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Jerron Seymour rush for no gain to the Vandy 36.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Jerron Seymour rush for 32 yards to the Miss 32 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 32	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass incomplete to Kris Kentera.
2nd and 10 at MISS 32	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass complete to Jonathan Krause for 11 yards to the Miss 21 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 21	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass complete to Jonathan Krause for 6 yards to the Miss 15.
2nd and 4 at MISS 15	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards to the Miss 12.
3rd and 1 at MISS 12	Brian Kimbrow rush for 9 yards to the Miss 3 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at MISS 3	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass incomplete to Jonathan Krause.
2nd and Goal at MISS 3	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	17	27
	Carey Spear extra point GOOD.	17	28
2nd and 10 at VAN 35	OLE MISS penalty 15 yard Personal Foul on Denzel Nkemdiche accepted.
	Carey Spear kickoff for 50 yards for a touchback.
DRIVE TOTALS: VANDERBILT drive: 12 plays 75 yards, 05:34 VANDERBILT TD
Ole Miss at 4:51	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at MISS 25	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 5 yards to the Miss 30.	17	28
2nd and 5 at MISS 30	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 8 yards to the Miss 38 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 38	VANDERBILT penalty 15 yard Pass Interference on Andre Hal accepted.
1st and 10 at VAN 47	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 3 yards to the Vandy 44.
2nd and 7 at VAN 44	Timeout VANDERBILT, clock 3:53.
2nd and 7 at VAN 44	Jeff Scott rush for 3 yards to the Vandy 41.
3rd and 4 at VAN 41	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 5 yards to the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Laquon Treadwell.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Timeout MISSISSIPPI, clock 2:54.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace rush for 9 yards to the Vandy 27.
3rd and 1 at VAN 27	Jeff Scott rush for no gain to the Vandy 27.
4th and 1 at VAN 27	Bo Wallace rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 23 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Evan Engram.
2nd and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Donte Moncrief.
3rd and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass complete to Jordan Holder for 11 yards to the Vandy 12 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 12	Jaylen Walton rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 8.
2nd and 6 at VAN 8	Bo Wallace pass complete to Jordan Holder for 5 yards to the Vandy 3.
3rd and 1 at VAN 3	Bo Wallace rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	23	28
	Two-point conversion attempt, Bo Wallace pass to Laquon Treadwell GOOD.	25	28
	Andrew Ritter kickoff for 65 yards returned by Brian Kimbrow for 12 yards, fumbled, recovered by Vandy Ja'karri Thomas at the Vandy 12.
DRIVE TOTALS: OLEMISS drive: 15 plays 75 yards, 04:24 OLEMISS TD

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[Drebin]

No. I just happened to watch the game. See if you can pick out a trend here.

Ole Miss at 12:21	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at MISS 37	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 15 yards to the Vandy 48 for a 1ST down.	10	21
1st and 10 at VAN 48	Jeff Scott rush for 1 yard to the Vandy 47.
2nd and 9 at VAN 47	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 11 yards to the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 17 yards to the Vandy 19 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 19	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 7 yards to the Vandy 12.
2nd and 3 at VAN 12	Bo Wallace pass complete to Evan Engram for 9 yards to the Vandy 3 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at VAN 3	Barry Brunetti rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	16	21
	Andrew Ritter extra point GOOD.	17	21
	Andrew Ritter kickoff for 65 yards for a touchback.
DRIVE TOTALS: OLEMISS drive: 7 plays 63 yards, 01:56 OLEMISS TD
Vanderbilt at 10:25	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at VAN 25	Brian Kimbrow rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 29.	17	21
2nd and 6 at VAN 29	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards to the Vandy 32.
3rd and 3 at VAN 32	Brian Kimbrow rush for 2 yards, fumbled, recovered by Vandy Andrew Bridges at the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Jerron Seymour rush for no gain to the Vandy 36.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Jerron Seymour rush for 32 yards to the Miss 32 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 32	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass incomplete to Kris Kentera.
2nd and 10 at MISS 32	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass complete to Jonathan Krause for 11 yards to the Miss 21 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 21	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass complete to Jonathan Krause for 6 yards to the Miss 15.
2nd and 4 at MISS 15	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards to the Miss 12.
3rd and 1 at MISS 12	Brian Kimbrow rush for 9 yards to the Miss 3 for a 1ST down.
1st and Goal at MISS 3	Austyn Carta-Samuels pass incomplete to Jonathan Krause.
2nd and Goal at MISS 3	Wesley Tate rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	17	27
	Carey Spear extra point GOOD.	17	28
2nd and 10 at VAN 35	OLE MISS penalty 15 yard Personal Foul on Denzel Nkemdiche accepted.
	Carey Spear kickoff for 50 yards for a touchback.
DRIVE TOTALS: VANDERBILT drive: 12 plays 75 yards, 05:34 VANDERBILT TD
Ole Miss at 4:51	MISS	VAN
1st and 10 at MISS 25	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 5 yards to the Miss 30.	17	28
2nd and 5 at MISS 30	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 8 yards to the Miss 38 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MISS 38	VANDERBILT penalty 15 yard Pass Interference on Andre Hal accepted.
1st and 10 at VAN 47	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 3 yards to the Vandy 44.
2nd and 7 at VAN 44	Timeout VANDERBILT, clock 3:53.
2nd and 7 at VAN 44	Jeff Scott rush for 3 yards to the Vandy 41.
3rd and 4 at VAN 41	Bo Wallace pass complete to Laquon Treadwell for 5 yards to the Vandy 36 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Laquon Treadwell.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Timeout MISSISSIPPI, clock 2:54.
2nd and 10 at VAN 36	Bo Wallace rush for 9 yards to the Vandy 27.
3rd and 1 at VAN 27	Jeff Scott rush for no gain to the Vandy 27.
4th and 1 at VAN 27	Bo Wallace rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 23 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Evan Engram.
2nd and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass incomplete to Donte Moncrief.
3rd and 10 at VAN 23	Bo Wallace pass complete to Jordan Holder for 11 yards to the Vandy 12 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at VAN 12	Jaylen Walton rush for 4 yards to the Vandy 8.
2nd and 6 at VAN 8	Bo Wallace pass complete to Jordan Holder for 5 yards to the Vandy 3.
3rd and 1 at VAN 3	Bo Wallace rush for 3 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.	23	28
	Two-point conversion attempt, Bo Wallace pass to Laquon Treadwell GOOD.	25	28
	Andrew Ritter kickoff for 65 yards returned by Brian Kimbrow for 12 yards, fumbled, recovered by Vandy Ja'karri Thomas at the Vandy 12.
DRIVE TOTALS: OLEMISS drive: 15 plays 75 yards, 04:24 OLEMISS TD

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I get all of this. I was just sayin'....Millen said those exact words: "They don't have an answer for Treadwell" about 200 times last night.

 

[Shamoan]

thats not what i got out of it, nor what i got out of watching the game last night.....what i got out of it is that bo wallace is struggling to get the ball downfield. very short passes all night. after wallace's shoulder surgery, it looks like he cant get much zip on anything over 20 yards. death by a million cuts was the gameplan last night and i suspect it will be while bo is running the show.

 

[patdog]

You were right about Vandy. I didn't expect them to be very good, but I did expect them to be better than that. Carta-Samuels was a lot worse than I expected him to be.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

2010 was not franklins first year, it was 2011. If you took the time to look up their records could you should have checked the coaches too

 

[Heawww]

Loss of Rodgers was a huge reason I thought they would flop. He was a very good leader-type QB. When less talented teams make noise, it's usually done with a QB.

I mean, that 121Josey idiot said this:

Franklin not every getting better?
2009 2-10
2010 2-10 (Franklin's first year)
2011 6-7
2012 9-4

First of all, he's got Franklin's first year wrong, and second I assume he thinks Vandy was going to maintain 8 regular season wins, based on that trend. I don't think people realize actually how hard it is for a school of Vandy's potential to win 8 football games in one year.

Oh, and then he says Vandy now has 3 star talent instead of 2 star? Bullcrap. Within the conference, they still have the least talent out there. Popularity of the 'stars' and recruiting is ever increasing, thus the amount of stars are increasing. More kids are rated than in years past, etc.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

You were right about Vandy. I didn't expect them to be very good, but I did expect them to be better than that. Carta-Samuels was a lot worse than I expected him to be.

What was Carta-Samuels bad at?

He went for 21 for 36, 300 yards, and 2 TDs. He did have two ints, but one of those hit his best WR right in the hands. The other may not have been perfectly thrown, but Conner simply stole from the WR on the ground.

I'm not saying he was great, but I am saying that 300 yards of passing offense is something Tyler Russell has never done in a game. A 58% comp percentage for the night is what Russell has averaged in his career. And I think Russell is a pretty solid QB.

The stat line for Jordan Rogers and Austyn Carta Samuels against Ole Miss is almost identical.

11/10

@Ole Miss

W 27-26

21

36

279

58.3

52

2

0

141.8

8

-7

-0.9

5

0

52.8

58.1

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8/29

Ole Miss

L 39-35

21

36

300

58.3

55

2

2

135.6

5

7

1.4

9

0

72.9

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The QB didn't hurt Vandy last night. Their lack of a run game and tiring down the stretch did hurt them.

 

[Heawww]

What was Carta-Samuels bad at?

He went for 21 for 36, 300 yards, and 2 TDs. He did have two ints, but one of those hit his best WR right in the hands. The other may not have been perfectly thrown, but Conner simply stole from the WR on the ground.

I'm not saying he was great, but I am saying that 300 yards of passing offense is something Tyler Russell has never done in a game. A 58% comp percentage for the night is what Russell has averaged in his career. And I think Russell is a pretty solid QB.

That's a **** load of rationalizations.

The QB didn't hurt Vandy last night. Their lack of a run game and tiring down the stretch did hurt them.

Ie their lack of talent.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

That's a **** load of rationalizations.



Ie their lack of talent.

I don't mean this as a flame, but what makes you think Vandy's talent is terrible.

I'd say their talent is in the same range as an OM or MSU.

 

[johnson86-1]

I'd say their talent is in the same range as an OM or MSU.

It is. I thought Vandy and Ole Miss looked worse last night than they did last year. Hard to know until you see them against more competition. And Ole Miss having CJ Johnson back at end might help them a lot, although their OL just looked bad to me.

But other than differences because of scheduling, I would think both teams will have similar success as last year. Even though UM looked worse last night, I still think that team would have easily beat the MSU team that showed up at the egg bowl. Until MSU proves that last year was mainly a coaching issue and not a talent issue, I would say UM and Vandy have more proven talent than MSU. I hope/think MSU will end up proving that it has considerably better across the board talent and depth if not the same quality playmakers, but that should have been true last year also, and it never showed on the field.

 

[Heawww]

I'd say their talent is in the same range as an OM or MSU.

No way in hell. They played well the past few seasons, and they had some good upperclassmen. It isn't sustainable at Vanderbilt. I don't care what the rankings say.

Ole Miss should have blown those boys out. Why didn't you? That remains to be seen.

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

I agree. Both teams looked like it was the 1st game of the yr. Lots of busts on defense for us. Need our starting corners back badly. Also, if we lost Morris on the o-line, we might be in trouble. I don't care how talented they are, a true freshman O-lineman starter isn't what you want in the SEC

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

It appeared Vanderbilt had no idea how to stop the read option. Their linemen would all go to the ball carrier and leave Wallace open for good yardage.

 

[patdog]

Need our starting corners back badly.

What's up with your starting corners? That would explain a lot from last night. Your defensive backfield looked a lot worse than I expected.

 

[patdog]

Half of those yards were on a pass completed behind the line of scrimmage and a pass to a receiver who was 25-yards open.

 

[121Josey]

2010 was not franklins first year, it was 2011. If you took the time to look up their records could you should have checked the coaches too

Thanks for the fact check. It just makes my point stronger.

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

Golson has a pulled hammy, and Sawyer is recovering from shoulder surgery. Sawyer's 1st contact of the yr was the game. That doesn't explain the busted coverages though, sheesh. Tired of seeing that

 

[MichiganReb22]

What's up with your starting corners? That would explain a lot from last night. Your defensive backfield looked a lot worse than I expected.

I know Golson played some because the Vandy fans wanted a pass interference on him. Not sure about Sawyer. No idea if Golson was 100% either.

 

[MichiganReb22]

Golson has a pulled hammy, and Sawyer is recovering from shoulder surgery. Sawyer's 1st contact of the yr was the game. That doesn't explain the busted coverages though, sheesh. Tired of seeing that

I know on the 4th and 18 we didn't jam Matthews at the line at all, which is just absurd but not hard to fix later on. Think Collins had him on that play. On the late touchdown, it was just a ****** play call from Wommack. Like genuinely ridiculous. I don't know if you saw Freeze's comments after the game. But he was asked what he was thinking after the TD, and he said "That by the Grace of God I won't have to kill the defensive staff."

 

[121Josey]

Loss of Rodgers was a huge reason I thought they would flop. He was a very good leader-type QB. When less talented teams make noise, it's usually done with a QB.

Great quote there Goat!** Rodgers was a mediocre QB at best.

I mean, that 121Josey idiot said this:

First of all, he's got Franklin's first year wrong, and second I assume he thinks Vandy was going to maintain 8 regular season wins, based on that trend. I don't think people realize actually how hard it is for a school of Vandy's potential to win 8 football games in one year.

I did miss Franklin's first year but it strengthens my point.

said anything about them maintaining 8 wins. Nice straw-man. I think they have enough to be a perennial bowl team. Hard to win 8 games in a year? Oh, you mean like how hard it is for State to win 8 games in a year?

Oh, and then he says Vandy now has 3 star talent instead of 2 star? Bullcrap. Within the conference, they still have the least talent out there. Popularity of the 'stars' and recruiting is ever increasing, thus the amount of stars are increasing. More kids are rated than in years past, etc.

Damn Goat, you do not know **** about recruiting! You're the one who said Mullen will redshirt all these JUCOs he's bringing in this year!

They don't give out more stars from one year to the next. Vandy is on par with State not because it has equal talent, but because it has better Xs and Os coaches.

Here's there present recruiting class with the past two classes. I used Scouts rankings just because they paste neatly in the window. Feel free to Compare with 247
2014

QB	21	<nobr> </nobr>	K.J. Carta-Samuels (Bellarmine College Prep School) San Jose, CA		<nobr> 6-4/207 </nobr>	07/16/2012		Vanderbilt
QB	37	<nobr> </nobr>	Trace McSorley (Briar Woods HS) Ashburn, VA		<nobr> 6-1/180/4.54 </nobr>	07/13/2013		Vanderbilt
RB	38	<nobr> </nobr>	Mikale Wilbon (De La Salle Institute) Chicago, IL		<nobr> 5-9/192 </nobr>	04/27/2013		Vanderbilt
OT	39	<nobr> </nobr>	Brendan Brosnan (Maine South HS) Park Ridge, IL		<nobr> 6-6/275 </nobr>	07/18/2013		Vanderbilt
S	39	<nobr> </nobr>	Emmanuel Smith (Oakland HS) Murfreesboro, TN		<nobr> 6-0/200/4.40 </nobr>	03/23/2013		Vanderbilt
OG	46	<nobr> </nobr>	Jesse Burkett (Bartram Trail HS) Jacksonville, FL		<nobr> 6-4/290 </nobr>	07/18/2013		Vanderbilt
S	46	<nobr> </nobr>	Kyle Gibson (Armwood HS) Seffner, FL		<nobr> 6-0/165/4.70 </nobr>	08/01/2013		Vanderbilt
S	52	<nobr> </nobr>	Trent Sherfield (Danville HS) Danville, IL		<nobr> 6-2/175 </nobr>	07/04/2013		Vanderbilt
RB	54	<nobr> </nobr>	Dallas Rivers (Stephenson HS) Stone Mountain, GA		<nobr> 6-0/202 </nobr>	03/23/2013		Vanderbilt
CB	69	<nobr> </nobr>	Grant Haley (Lovett School) Atlanta, GA		<nobr> 5-10/180/4.44 </nobr>	07/23/2013		Vanderbilt
OT	77	<nobr> </nobr>	Chance Sorrell (Middletown HS) Middletown, OH		<nobr> 6-6/250 </nobr>	06/25/2013		Vanderbilt
OT	78	<nobr> </nobr>	Cole Hardin (Florence HS) Florence, AL		<nobr> 6-4/290 </nobr>	06/15/2013		Vanderbilt
DT	79	<nobr> </nobr>	Jashon Robertson (Montgomery Bell Academy) Nashville, TN		<nobr> 6-3/280 </nobr>	06/20/2012		Vanderbilt
CB	84	<nobr> </nobr>	Bryce Lewis (Parkview HS) Lilburn, GA		<nobr> 6-1/180 </nobr>	03/23/2013		Vanderbilt
DT	89	<nobr> </nobr>	Michael Sawyers (Ensworth HS) Nashville, TN		<nobr> 6-3/295 </nobr>	07/10/2013		Vanderbilt
OT	95	<nobr> </nobr>	Bailey Granier (South Lafourche HS) Galliano, LA		<nobr> 6-7/320 </nobr>	07/14/2013		Vanderbilt
DE	96	<nobr> </nobr>	Lloyd Tubman (Seneca HS) Louisville, KY		<nobr> 6-5/230 </nobr>	04/13/2013		Vanderbilt
CB	126	<nobr> </nobr>	Tre Herndon (East Hamilton HS) Ooltewah, TN		<nobr> 6-0/170 </nobr>	07/12/2013		Vanderbilt

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CB	18	<nobr> </nobr>	Ryan White (Trinity HS) Louisville, KY		<nobr> 5-9/175 </nobr>	07/31/2012		Vanderbilt
OLB	23	<nobr> </nobr>	Zach Cunningham (Pinson Valley HS) Pinson, AL		<nobr> 6-4/205 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Vanderbilt
OT	28	<nobr> </nobr>	Delando Crooks (Carver HS) Atlanta, GA		<nobr> 6-4/277 </nobr>	12/15/2012		Vanderbilt
DT	31	<nobr> </nobr>	Jay Woods (Jackson HS) Jackson, GA		<nobr> 6-2/275 </nobr>	08/16/2012		Vanderbilt
TE	34	<nobr> </nobr>	Mitch Parsons (Chaparral HS) Parker, CO		<nobr> 6-4/220 </nobr>	01/21/2013		Vanderbilt
MLB	36	<nobr> </nobr>	Nigel Bowden (Central HS) Macon, GA		<nobr> 6-0/238/4.61 </nobr>	06/17/2012		Vanderbilt
OT	42	<nobr> </nobr>	Sean Dowling (Fallbrook HS) Fallbrook, CA		<nobr> 6-6/265 </nobr>	12/22/2012		Vanderbilt
QB	46	<nobr> </nobr>	Johnathon McCrary (Cedar Grove HS) Ellenwood, GA		<nobr> 6-3.5/180 </nobr>	02/16/2012		Vanderbilt
S	49	<nobr> </nobr>	Jalen Banks (Thornton Township HS) Harvey, IL		<nobr> 6-0/190 </nobr>	10/14/2012		Vanderbilt
WR	52	<nobr> </nobr>	Jordan Cunningham (University School of Nova S.) Fort Lauderdale, FL		<nobr> 6-1/175 </nobr>	02/06/2013		Vanderbilt
TE	55	<nobr> </nobr>	Nathan Marcus (Glenbard West HS) Glen Ellyn, IL		<nobr> 6-5/190 </nobr>	04/11/2012		Vanderbilt
CB	68	<nobr> </nobr>	Tre Bell (St. Peters Preparatory School) Jersey City, NJ		<nobr> 5-11/165 </nobr>	08/10/2012		Vanderbilt
QB	72	<nobr> </nobr>	Chad Kanoff (Harvard-Westlake School) N Hollywood, CA		<nobr> 6-4/195/4.80 </nobr>	05/28/2012		Vanderbilt
DE	73	<nobr> </nobr>	Mack Weaver (Harding Academy) Memphis, TN		<nobr> 6-5/235 </nobr>	08/22/2012		Vanderbilt
OLB	73	<nobr> </nobr>	Oren Burks (South County Secondary School) Lorton, VA		<nobr> 6-4/195 </nobr>	08/11/2012		Vanderbilt
DE	75	<nobr> </nobr>	Jonathan Wynn (Stephenson HS) Stone Mountain, GA		<nobr> 6-4/220 </nobr>	03/27/2012		Vanderbilt
CB	76	<nobr> </nobr>	Darrius Sims (Whitehaven HS) Memphis, TN		<nobr> 5-10/170 </nobr>	06/17/2012		Vanderbilt
WR	99	<nobr> </nobr>	Carlos Burse (Alpharetta HS) Alpharetta, GA		<nobr> 6-3/204/4.60 </nobr>	06/14/2012		Vanderbilt
WR	113	<nobr> </nobr>	Latevius Rayford (Central HS) Memphis, TN		<nobr> 6-0/175 </nobr>	05/04/2012		Vanderbilt
CB	117	<nobr> </nobr>	Taurean Ferguson (Jonesboro HS) Jonesboro, GA		<nobr> 5-10/175 </nobr>	03/31/2012		Vanderbilt
DE	120	<nobr> </nobr>	Landon Stokes (Lake Highland Preparatory) Orlando, FL		<nobr> 6-4/245/4.70 </nobr>	06/26/2012		Vanderbilt
WR	162	<nobr> </nobr>	DeAndre Woods (Clay-Chalkville HS) Pinson, AL		<nobr> 6-4/200/4.50 </nobr>	10/21/2012		Vanderbilt
TE	JC	<nobr> </nobr>	Brandon Vandenburg (College of the Desert) Palm Desert, CA		<nobr> 6-6/260 </nobr>	01/20/2013		Vanderbilt
K	23	<nobr> </nobr>	Tommy Openshaw (Creekside HS) Jacksonville, FL		<nobr> 6-2/170 </nobr>	10/31/2012		Vanderbilt
RB	126	<nobr> </nobr>	Rapheal Webb (Gainesville HS) Gainesville, FL		<nobr> 5-10/190 </nobr>	02/02/2013		Vanderbilt
S	135	<nobr> </nobr>	Gerald Perry (Whitehaven HS) Memphis, TN		<nobr> 5-11/175 </nobr>	05/14/2012		Vanderbilt

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RB	27	<nobr> </nobr>	Brian Kimbrow (East HS) Memphis, TN		<nobr> 5-9/165/4.28 </nobr>	07/01/2011		Vanderbilt
MLB	32	<nobr> </nobr>	Harding Harper (Carver Senior HS) Montgomery, AL		<nobr> 6-2/212/4.58 </nobr>	02/01/2012		Vanderbilt
QB	38	<nobr> </nobr>	Patton Robinette (Maryville HS) Maryville, TN		<nobr> 6-5/200 </nobr>	01/08/2012		Vanderbilt
OT	43	<nobr> </nobr>	Andrew Jelks (Henry County HS) Paris, TN		<nobr> 6-6/260/5.00 </nobr>	11/12/2011		Vanderbilt
MLB	45	<nobr> </nobr>	Jacob Sealand (Tucker HS) Tucker, GA		<nobr> 6-1/220 </nobr>	05/15/2011		Vanderbilt
OT	49	<nobr> </nobr>	Will Holden (Clay HS) Green Cove Springs, FL		<nobr> 6-6/271 </nobr>	10/31/2011		Vanderbilt
CB	52	<nobr> </nobr>	Brandon Banks (Gwynn Park HS) Brandywine, MD		<nobr> 5-11/170/4.30 </nobr>	08/02/2011		Vanderbilt
OG	62	<nobr> </nobr>	Adam Butler (Duncanville HS) Duncanville, TX		<nobr> 6-5/285 </nobr>	10/17/2011		Vanderbilt
OT	77	<nobr> </nobr>	Kevin McCoy (Armwood HS) Seffner, FL		<nobr> 6-5/275 </nobr>	01/30/2012		Vanderbilt
OT	84	<nobr> </nobr>	Blake Fromang (Lake Highland Preparatory) Orlando, FL		<nobr> 6-8/280 </nobr>	09/03/2011		Vanderbilt
OLB	86	<nobr> </nobr>	Darreon Herring (Stephenson HS) Stone Mountain, GA		<nobr> 6-2/195 </nobr>	05/19/2011		Vanderbilt
S	88	<nobr> </nobr>	Paris Head (Buford HS) Buford, GA		<nobr> 5-10.5/170/4.59 </nobr>	06/20/2011		Vanderbilt
WR	96	<nobr> </nobr>	Cory Batey (Ensworth HS) Nashville, TN		<nobr> 5-11/180/4.59 </nobr>	07/01/2011		Vanderbilt
CB	97	<nobr> </nobr>	Torren McGaster (Daphne HS) Daphne, AL		<nobr> 6-0/180 </nobr>	12/14/2011		Vanderbilt
OT	100	<nobr> </nobr>	Barrett Gouger (Baylor School) Chattanooga, TN		<nobr> 6-4.5/275/5.30 </nobr>	05/15/2011		Vanderbilt
RB	111	<nobr> </nobr>	Tip McKenzie (Trinity Episcopal School) Natchez, MS		<nobr> 5-9/180/4.39 </nobr>	08/02/2011		Vanderbilt
DE	113	<nobr> </nobr>	Torey Agee (Opelika HS) Opelika, AL		<nobr> 6-4/250/4.75 </nobr>	09/14/2011		Vanderbilt
DE	124	<nobr> </nobr>	Caleb Azubike (McGavock Comp HS) Nashville, TN		<nobr> 6-5/240 </nobr>	07/01/2011		Vanderbilt
K	17	<nobr> </nobr>	Colby Cooke (Goochland HS) Goochland, VA		<nobr> 6-3/175 </nobr>	08/02/2011		Vanderbilt
OLB	139	<nobr> </nobr>	Jakarri Thomas (Amos P. Godby HS) Tallahassee, FL		<nobr> 6-0/200 </nobr>	01/26/2012		Vanderbilt
DE	157	<nobr> </nobr>	Stephen Weatherly (Shiloh HS) Snellville, GA		<nobr> 6-4.5/190/4.75 </nobr>	05/19/2011		Vanderbilt
DE	191	<nobr> </nobr>	Ladarius Banks (East Paulding HS) Dallas, GA		<nobr> 6-2/263 </nobr>	05/19/2011		Vanderbilt

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[esplanade91]

What was Carta-Samuels bad at?

He went for 21 for 36, 300 yards, and 2 TDs. He did have two ints, but one of those hit his best WR right in the hands. The other may not have been perfectly thrown, but Conner simply stole from the WR on the ground.

I'm not saying he was great, but I am saying that 300 yards of passing offense is something Tyler Russell has never done in a game. A 58% comp percentage for the night is what Russell has averaged in his career. And I think Russell is a pretty solid QB.

The stat line for Jordan Rogers and Austyn Carta Samuels against Ole Miss is almost identical.

11/10

@Ole Miss

W 27-26

21

36

279

58.3

52

2

0

141.8

8

-7

-0.9

5

0

52.8

58.1

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Ole Miss

L 39-35

21

36

300

58.3

55

2

2

135.6

5

7

1.4

9

0

72.9

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The QB didn't hurt Vandy last night. Their lack of a run game and tiring down the stretch did hurt them.

Carta-Samuels is bad. You're completely leaving out the fact that Matthews had about half of those 300 yards, and for most of them he went up and caught a bad pass and ran for 20 yards... of which Carta-Samuels got credit. Russell has never had a WR remotely close to as good as Matthews, so...

To boot, outside of Connor being a boss around the line of scrimmage both secondaries were lackluster.

Carta-Samuels reminds me a lot of Tyson Lee, a transfer not good enough to play in the SEC but thrown into the game anyway. He was painful to watch, and I don't care what his stats were.