Vandy scholarships

[GloryDawg]

Either the NCAA has to close the charity tuition loop hole or they need to expand scholarships.

 

[blacklistedbully]

I hear you, but are you saying that we have lost elite baseball recruits because the cost of attending State was too high and we couldn’t offer a scholarship? I don’t think that’s the case.

I think what he's saying is, though we can & do find ways to supplement our 11.7 athletic scholarships, we have limits that Vandy does not. We can do more than a lot of programs, but not nearly as much as Vandy.

A big part of the problem is, since we can't arbitrarily offer non-athletic scholarship like they can, we have to use the official 11.7. NCAA rules specify that no one athlete can receive less than a 25% scholly. Apparently, the NCAA rules also require schools that use any portion of the 11.7 on an athlete to also, "count" additional, non-athletic funding as part of the budgeted 11.7 quota.

But, if a school does not use any of the 11.7 with a given athlete, the non-athletic aid they do get is not, "counted". So, Vandy can recruit guys, look at their financial situation to see how much grant money they can qualify for (up to 100%), then treat them as a non-scholarship walk-on, freeing up their 11.7 for other recruits. Since they are private, not accepting state or federal funding, and because they offer the same thing to any and every student, they decide for themselves who and how a recruit qualifies for grants.

As others have pointed out, a Vandy education is special. As much as I love MSU, if my daughter was offered a full ride to Vandy, I'd be encouraging her to go there, even if she got a full ride from MSU. MSU can be a wonderful place...a great experience that gets in your blood and stays there for the rest of your life. But there is no comparison to what a degree from Vandy is worth, unless you're talking about something we are really known for, like engineering, architecture, or Vet Med.

 

[mstateglfr]

4. Most Vanderbilt athletes are going to Peabody College, not Vanderbilt University.

Is this the same thing as how women graduate from Newcomb College at Tulane?

Basically, it used to be separate, but for all intents and purposes is now simply one of many colleges which make up the university?

 

[blacklistedbully]

Because Vanderbilt has an endowment of $3,000,000,000 and an enrollment of 12,500. We have an endowment of $400,000,000 and an enrollment of 22,500. Any non-athletic scholarships that don't count against the 11.7 have to be available to all students. The math is pretty simple.

Saw an article claiming it's $4,000,000,000, but what's a $ billion between friends.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Gotta love those Vandy propagandists. They are persistent and on the lookout to champ down on this talk. Don't buy it. Here's a quick quote from a 2016 interview Kendall Rogers did with then new NCAA managing director of championships and alliances Ron Prettyman. This Q & A was in reference to the advantages school's like Vandy enjoy:

Question: One of the burning questions in college baseball right now is the issue of institutional (need-based) aid and how that creates advantages and disadvantages. What’s your approach on that issue?


Prettyman: You’re right, it’s a big issue, and that’s a great observation. I think there needs to be some rules in place there, but I honestly haven’t monitored that as closely in the past as I am now. But, I agree, there needs to be some sort of consistency across the board from that perspective. I want to make sure some of the loopholes are either limited or completely closed off, making it more difficult to do some of those things that creates advantages. Some things, though, will be harder to push through than others. I don’t really have a firm stance on that issue more than that for now.


And there is this:

Fitt: Don’t Expect Institutional Aid Reform
Aaron Fitt - January 11, 2016
SEE ALSO: ABCA Notebook: Big Changes On Horizon?


NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The rise of Vanderbilt and Virginia to the top of the college baseball world has prompted plenty of indignation from rival coaches about the way those schools and others like Stanford, Rice and North Carolina can use financial aid and/or academic scholarships to supplement their 11.7 athletic scholarships. It’s no secret that Vanderbilt, in particular, has a huge advantage because of its massive amount of institutional aid; it doesn’t even have to sign many players to a National Letter of Intent, because it doesn’t need to give many players any athletic scholarship money at all.


The NCAA’s new baseball head, Ron Prettyman, raised some alarms last week when he told Kendall Rogers, “I want to make sure some of the loopholes are either limited or completely closed off, making it more difficult to do some of those things that creates advantages.”


But that response was out of step with the position of ABCA executive director Craig Keilitz, who represents college baseball’s coaches.


“Being an equivalency sport, we’re always going to have those issues. Schools that have more financial aid, that’s fantastic in the big scheme, because we’re giving more opportunities to student-athletes,” Keilitz said. “Now, it is uneven, and could be construed as unfair, but that’s where we are right now — 11.7 scholarships for 35 student-athletes, that doesn’t add up. So there’s a lot of moving pieces that we need to do to improve our game and give opportunities to young men to get an education and play baseball. It’s a very, very complex situation that there’s no easy answer for.”

It will only change when more programs other than MSU start to voice their disadvantage and maybe even join together to petition the NCAA to look at reforming the rules around sports other than football and basketball. As long as it is just a couple of schools that are bitching, no one is going to pay attention.

 

[Len2003]

All I am asking is why can’t we have a level playing field advantage n NCAA baseball, like we supposedly have in FB And basketball?

Because baseball doesn't make any money.

 

[maroonmania]

Because baseball doesn't make any money.

Yep, as I said the NCAA doesn't care about baseball but you have hit the nail on the head as to WHY they don't care about baseball.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Didn't see this linked yet, so thought I would add it. This is an explanation of the Opportunity Fund from a Vandy perspective.

https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/5/30/18645077/opportunity-vanderbilt-an-explainer

Take it with a grain of salt, sure, but the article basically sees the fund as a way to level the playing field for Vandy. None of has have any hard numbers, but this guy claims most of their non scholarship players are still paying about what they would pay at a state school.

Probably some truth in both points of view. But if Vandy is attracting players because it is a better academic school, well, that's what college athletics is supposed to be about.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

This is the second time I've heard this over the past few days. What exactly does this mean? The Bagley College of Engineering is still a part of Mississippi State University. Is Peabody similar? If so, I wouldn't think anyone would feel the need to make that distinction. Can someone clear this up for me?

You are correct. Peabody College is Vanderbilt’s College of Education much like the Adkerson School of Accountancy is Mississippi State’s school for students in that field. The Peabody campus is across 21st Avenue from the main campus and is not only the locale for the College of Education but is now where all first-year students reside. Unless an athlete is majoring in Education or Human Development, they probably aren’t taking many classes over there.

 

[Seinfeld]

Thanks for posting, and this obviously isn't directed at you, but their formula seems pretty simple to me...

1) Give out full athletic scholarships to as many baseball players as possible, so that you will conversely have as many "non-counters" as possible

2) Right before his senior year, send lil' Joey Baseball to live with his poor Aunt in Alabama so that his guardian's ability to pay will be virtually nil

I'm sure that Tim Corbin is a great guy, I really do. But I think it's hilarious that anyone thinks that Vandy isn't absolutely rigging this Opportunity Fund for baseball players and that they somehow landed 4 of the last 5 #1 recruiting classes by a lot of hard work. I'd love for Vandy to release its athletic scholarship allocation along with its analyses behind determining a player's family's income. The whole thing would be an absolute joke