VaTech got away with this all night

[Tngamecock]

On several of their big pass plays, their illegal picks were blatant and in the open. I was screaming on one of the long plays where they drug a guy across the middle. DQ Smith got blocked and held as the receiver passed underneath him. And for all of you, people who were going to say, or maybe the pass was behind the line, it was a good five or 6 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Rule: In college football, an illegal pick by the offense during a passing play is a personal foul for offensive pass interference (OPI) if an offensive player blocks a defender downfield, past the line of scrimmage, or more than a yard downfield before the ball is touched.

I truly can’t believe our coaches do not have someone in the booth relating that type of information. If nothing else you have to get in the referees ear. One of those no calls cost us a field goal, which should’ve never happened. I will bet if you ask DQ Smith he can tell you exactly which play. I watched the replay, over and over and it stands out like a sore thumb. They did this on to plays where I can’t believe it wasn’t called. And a third was very questionable. Our coaches cannot let referees slide on stuff like this because it can change your season.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

On several of their big pass plays, their illegal picks were blatant and in the open. I was screaming on one of the long plays where they drug a guy across the middle. DQ Smith got blocked and held as the receiver passed underneath him. And for all of you, people who were going to say, or maybe the pass was behind the line, it was a good five or 6 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Rule: In college football, an illegal pick by the offense during a passing play is a personal foul for offensive pass interference (OPI) if an offensive player blocks a defender downfield, past the line of scrimmage, or more than a yard downfield before the ball is touched.

I truly can’t believe our coaches do not have someone in the booth relating that type of information. If nothing else you have to get in the referees ear. One of those no calls cost us a field goal, which should’ve never happened. I will bet if you ask DQ Smith he can tell you exactly which play. I watched the replay, over and over and it stands out like a sore thumb. They did this on to plays where I can’t believe it wasn’t called. And a third was very questionable. Our coaches cannot let referees slide on stuff like this because it can change your season.

Or....it can win you a "National Championship" if you're Clemmons and it's a last second play because the refs swallow their whistles. Go back and watch it. Their 2nd "championship" when they "won" against Bama.... illegal pick play, nearing the final seconds of the game.

 

[KingWard]

Or....it can win you a "National Championship" if you're Clemmons and it's a last second play because the refs swallow their whistles. Go back and watch it. Their 2nd "championship" when they "won" against Bama.... illegal pick play, nearing the final seconds of the game.

Definite pick play, but to be honest, they happen a lot.

 

[Tngamecock]

Definite pick play, but to be honest, they happen a lot.

Yeah, it happens to us all the time especially when we never touch the defender. I remember two of these calls that changed games for us in the past two years where we never even brushed the receiver. But yet it was called.

The one on DQ Smith Sunday was right in front of the official and even Smith turned and started complaining about it. They saw it but simply didn’t call it.

 

[Piscis]

They didn't call very much at all. We had two tackles on VT players that were blatant horse collar/face mask/grabbing the helmet type penalties that were ignored even though they happened right in front of the official.

I'd rather the officials let them play than call every little thing.

 

[18IsTheMan]

They didn't call very much at all. We had two tackles on VT players that were blatant horse collar/face mask/grabbing the helmet type penalties that were ignored even though they happened right in front of the official.

I'd rather the officials let them play than call every little thing.

I noticed one horse collar/face mask (tackle in the back field) and was stunned it wasn't called.

 

[JohnnySolo]

Remind me why the pick play or similar play was ok in the clemtech game

 

[Lurker123]

Remind me why the pick play or similar play was ok in the clemtech game

The pick play is okay when its your team using it, and terrible when the other team does it.

But to answer your question, the offensive player that is picking or rubbing the defensive player needs to sell that he is running a route. He can't just be out there blocking. If he runs a route that just happens to be near the other WR route, its his right, he just needs to look like hes running a real route.

 

[HI Cock1]

The holding against #6 was way worse. It was literally every pass play. Arm wrapped around his shoulders as he's trying to come around the edge.

 

[Hoganman1]

Has anyone figured out what designates a catch in the end zone? Go back and look at the circus catch that Miami player made. He bobbled the ball as he hit the ground.

 

[Lurker123]

Has anyone figured out what designates a catch in the end zone? Go back and look at the circus catch that Miami player made. He bobbled the ball as he hit the ground.

Did the ball touch the ground as he bobbled it?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Did the ball touch the ground as he bobbled it?

No

 

[Lurker123]

No

Well there you go. He was in bounds, the ball didn't move while touching the ground.

Had he caught that and landed on his back out of bounds, its not a catch.

 

[Cobie]

Has anyone figured out what designates a catch in the end zone? Go back and look at the circus catch that Miami player made. He bobbled the ball as he hit the ground.

You're missing the landing out of bounds component in that comparison.

 

[Bubba Fett]

"Break the plane with the ball" is as close to perfect of a rule as you can get for runners. Clean, simple, usually verifiable on replay.

For catching the ball something similar is needed. It's way to subjective now. Surviving the ground is bull-crap. Because it's a catch there will always be some subjectiveness but the current bar is way too high. Does the receiver have one foot in? That's objective, clear, and typically verifiable. Does he have possession? That is the subjective part... I think it should be "control of the ball," no matter how brief. You're already in the endzone. It should be 6 points the instant you possess the ball. Ball got knocked out? Too late, 6 points. Ball came out when you hit the ground? Too late, 6 points.

It should be as simple, or as close to simple as "breaking the plane."

Of course, people will argue over "control of the ball" at game speed, but if we're honest, I think 99% of us could agree to the question:

Did he have it, even for just a second? Yes/No. It ain't that hard.

 

[Piscis]

"Break the plane with the ball" is as close to perfect of a rule as you can get for runners. Clean, simple, usually verifiable on replay.

For catching the ball something similar is needed. It's way to subjective now. Surviving the ground is bull-crap. Because it's a catch there will always be some subjectiveness but the current bar is way too high. Does the receiver have one foot in? That's objective, clear, and typically verifiable. Does he have possession? That is the subjective part... I think it should be "control of the ball," no matter how brief. You're already in the endzone. It should be 6 points the instant you possess the ball. Ball got knocked out? Too late, 6 points. Ball came out when you hit the ground? Too late, 6 points.

It should be as simple, or as close to simple as "breaking the plane."

Of course, people will argue over "control of the ball" at game speed, but if we're honest, I think 99% of us could agree to the question:

Did he have it, even for just a second? Yes/No. It ain't that hard.

A catch has to be a catch anywhere on the field. If a player catches the ball at midfield and the ball is moving at all and touches the ground as the player lands, it is not a catch. Controlling the ball for a split second before bobbling it and the ball coming in contact with the ground cannot be ruled a catch. The same rule has to apply in the end zone. The receiver has to control the ball to the ground and the ball cannot make contact with the ground before the receiver has complete control.

When a runner carries the ball into the end zone, the runner has to have full control of the ball as the ball crosses the plane for the td to count. If the runner is hit on the 2 yd line and is bobbling the ball as he crosses the plane, the runner must regain full control of the ball in the end zone before a td is awarded. If the runner bobbles the ball on the 1 yd line and fumbles it in the end zone, that is a live ball on the ground and the offensive team has to recover it in the end zone to score a td. If the defense recovers it in the end zone, it is a touchback. If the ball goes out of bounds after being fumbled into the end zone, the defense is awarded the ball at the 20.

It really isn't that complicated.

 

[Bubba Fett]

A catch has to be a catch anywhere on the field. If a player catches the ball at midfield and the ball is moving at all and touches the ground as the player lands, it is not a catch. Controlling the ball for a split second before bobbling it and the ball coming in contact with the ground cannot be ruled a catch. The same rule has to apply in the end zone. The receiver has to control the ball to the ground and the ball cannot make contact with the ground before the receiver has complete control.

When a runner carries the ball into the end zone, the runner has to have full control of the ball as the ball crosses the plane for the td to count. If the runner is hit on the 2 yd line and is bobbling the ball as he crosses the plane, the runner must regain full control of the ball in the end zone before a td is awarded. If the runner bobbles the ball on the 1 yd line and fumbles it in the end zone, that is a live ball on the ground and the offensive team has to recover it in the end zone to score a td. If the defense recovers it in the end zone, it is a touchback. If the ball goes out of bounds after being fumbled into the end zone, the defense is awarded the ball at the 20.

It really isn't that complicated.

It doesn't have to be the same. If a runner gets to the first down marker, then fumbles the ball, it's a fumble. If he fumbles in the endzone, after breaking the plane, it's a touchdown. There's no fumble after breaking the plane, so the place on the field already matters. The place on the field effects the rules, and the timing (is play alive or dead) effects the rules.

In the endzone, once there's a score the play is over. In the field of play, the receiver, just like the runner, would have to continue to control the ball. IMHO, what's relevant here is, when is the play over? I still maintain that, the way it should be, in the endzone, one foot in and control of the ball is 6 points. Anything after is irrelevant as the play should be over.