Veazey said we lost 7 official visits after...
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Why would he care why they didn't hit us harder? Instead of being a reporter he sounds like he was an advocate of harsher punishment and really he wanted to know why we didn't get hit harder. Especially after he helped them by uncovering the story and all the broken rules. Sort of like a whistle blower at a company wanting to know why the people he turned in didn't get fired or something like that.8Dog said:
It is not that the story is made up. It is that he decided to run with it and make it into a big deal. If the recruit never post on facebook, does it get out? Probably not. If the newspaper reporter does not blog and write about it, how many people know it happened even with the facebook post? Probably only the few Eggbowl.com types. Does State get 7 official vists striped if Veazy does not write about it? I doubt it.
But what is ********. Is the fact that this was such a minor incident, relatively speaking. Do you really believe that recruits going with other players to a strip club (who probably go to the club regardless of who goes along) is a major incident? Hell no. There is no question that much, much ergregious violations occurr around the country. However, only in MS does the local newspaper make a story of this and spread the word to others. Therefore forcing the University into a bad situation.
Now, is it Veazy's fault the incident occured? No. Is it Veazy's fault that it became a big story and required MSU to report to the NCAA? Yes.
Regardless though, the point is only in MS is this not swept under the rug.
Only on the 6pack do fans not understand that a local newspaper does nobody in MS any favors by bring attention to stories such as this. Regardless which university it involves.
But what is ********. Is the fact that this was such a minor incident, relatively speaking. Do you really believe that recruits going with other players to a strip club (who probably go to the club regardless of who goes along) is a major incident? Hell no. There is no question that much, much ergregious violations occurr around the country. However, only in MS does the local newspaper make a story of this and spread the word to others. Therefore forcing the University into a bad situation.
Now, is it Veazy's fault the incident occured? No. Is it Veazy's fault that it became a big story and required MSU to report to the NCAA? Yes.
Regardless though, the point is only in MS is this not swept under the rug.
Only on the 6pack do fans not understand that a local newspaper does nobody in MS any favors by bring attention to stories such as this. Regardless which university it involves.
I blame people like Lyon Brown or whatever is name is more for actually posting on facebook that he took the guys there. And of course the recruits that somehow thought it would be a good idea to broadcast it to everyone
It is that without Whistle, nothing happens of this and there are no lost visits.
It is bad that it happened. It shouldn't happened. But it does happen - everywhere. Why should MSU be held to a higher standard and be the only one that gets wrist-slapped?
The CL should fire Whistle and pawn him off to whoever needs a St Louis Rams beat writer. Then he and Croom can rub each other's back.
It is bad that it happened. It shouldn't happened. But it does happen - everywhere. Why should MSU be held to a higher standard and be the only one that gets wrist-slapped?
The CL should fire Whistle and pawn him off to whoever needs a St Louis Rams beat writer. Then he and Croom can rub each other's back.
of the events, but didn't msu report this to the ncaa before veazey wrote about it? at least that's what has been said on here. if that's the case, then veazey did nothing to instigate the story "breaking."
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</font>All the guy is doing is doing his job. And no, this kind of stuff doesn't get swept under the rug at other places. If it did, you'd never hear about things like the UT hostesses going to high school games to visit their "friends" who just happened to be top football recruits, just to name one recent example.
who have recruits that put it as their facebook status. And then we have lilywhite students at our university talking about it with them on facebook.
I was thinking of Veasey's blog. He had already blogged heavily about it before MSU put out their public statement. Then he followed up with his big article on facebook and recruiting violations and what not I think.
No, it wasn't. What Whistle writes goes out on the AP wire. Message board chatter is generally not consumed and regurgitated by mass media. Unless your name is Kyle Veazey.dawgstudent said:
The story didn't get any real steam until Veazey reported it. And despite what anybody heard or read about MSU's plans to report to the NCAA, the facts are that MSU did nothing until the Whistle blew.
Once the story got all over the message boards, the school had no choice but to look into it (they couldn't possibly try to deny they hadn't heard of it). And once the school looked into it, it had no choice but to self-report it. You're making a mountain out of a molehill anyway. The penalty is nothing.
Let's propose an alternate story to relate.
Step 1: State gets secret commit from high profile player
Step 2: message board hero posts that he heard so and so committed
Step 3: more message board hero posts about said player secretly committing
Step 4: beat writer notices story and digs and finds out said player did commit and writes story
Step 5: beat writer has done his job
now the only difference is that one of these stories was good news and one was bad. however it isn't the beat writers job to discard the bad news and only write the good news. it is beat writers job to write all news. would you have any problem with the above story if it had happened? if not, then you hsould have no problem with this because they are the same. one is just bad news and one is good.
Step 1: State gets secret commit from high profile player
Step 2: message board hero posts that he heard so and so committed
Step 3: more message board hero posts about said player secretly committing
Step 4: beat writer notices story and digs and finds out said player did commit and writes story
Step 5: beat writer has done his job
now the only difference is that one of these stories was good news and one was bad. however it isn't the beat writers job to discard the bad news and only write the good news. it is beat writers job to write all news. would you have any problem with the above story if it had happened? if not, then you hsould have no problem with this because they are the same. one is just bad news and one is good.
Because that's all Veazey's doing. For college sports, message boards are a source of rumors(many of which turn out to be facts)and in this day and age for someone to cover one school and not scan boards for rumors or to not follow up on the juicy ones would just be irresponsible. If he didn't check out a rumor that State was committing NCAA violations, he would not be doing his job.
Here is Veazey's only relevant post prior to MSU's public statement:
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/18/a-note-to-our-audience/
Followed by two posts strictly about basketball:
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/stewarts-defense-keys-state/
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/states-tournament-resume-explored/
Followed by a blog post about MSU's public statement:
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/state-issues-statement-on-recruiting-visit/
Oh wow. You're right. He really "blogged heavily" about recruits visiting the strip club prior to MSU's statement. Oh wait. That's not right. He actually never said anything about a strip club until after MSU's announcement. Ah damn. I guess there's no way I can convince you of your wrongness because you're probably boycotting the Clarion Ledger's website, and you won't actually look at any of these. Oh well. I guess there's no need to let facts stand in the way of your beliefs. Reality is what you make it, right?
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/18/a-note-to-our-audience/
Followed by two posts strictly about basketball:
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/stewarts-defense-keys-state/
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/states-tournament-resume-explored/
Followed by a blog post about MSU's public statement:
http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/01/19/state-issues-statement-on-recruiting-visit/
Oh wow. You're right. He really "blogged heavily" about recruits visiting the strip club prior to MSU's statement. Oh wait. That's not right. He actually never said anything about a strip club until after MSU's announcement. Ah damn. I guess there's no way I can convince you of your wrongness because you're probably boycotting the Clarion Ledger's website, and you won't actually look at any of these. Oh well. I guess there's no need to let facts stand in the way of your beliefs. Reality is what you make it, right?
That proves all the morons wrong. For some reason, I still don't think they'll get it.
Give Veazey a chance....
Give Veazey a chance....
on message boards, then you're clearly ignorant.
And no, I'm not saying they investigate everything. But if an MSU Athletic admin. saw the strip club incident info on this board with a link to a facebook screenshot, I guarantee you that they would be asking some questions.
Don't blame Veazey, blame the dumbass student and recruits who were stupid enough to post that **** on their profile for all the world to see. Next blame the OM or State fans who saw it and posted the screenshots. Then after all of that, you might could then blame KV.
And no, I'm not saying they investigate everything. But if an MSU Athletic admin. saw the strip club incident info on this board with a link to a facebook screenshot, I guarantee you that they would be asking some questions.
Don't blame Veazey, blame the dumbass student and recruits who were stupid enough to post that **** on their profile for all the world to see. Next blame the OM or State fans who saw it and posted the screenshots. Then after all of that, you might could then blame KV.
Veazy reported on his blog information from the FB screen shot only and in the same blog entry reported thathe called MSU for a statement, thuselevatingit from FB ******** to hard news and forcing MSU to offically respond. Then he deletes this original blog entry about the story when the **** hits the fan. 17 him.
I'm not boycotting the C-L or anything of that nature. But sorry to piss in your cheerios when I say I don't like Veasey's reporting.
ETA: And while you are doing the research go ahead and list his twitter posts at the time. That would be nice to see.
ETA: And while you are doing the research go ahead and list his twitter posts at the time. That would be nice to see.
Looking up his enire twitter history was pretty easy. He made a grand total of2 references to the issue...when he announced MSU's statement release and when he stated a recruit said it was all a joke. Sorry if the format is a little difficult to read.
<span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><font color="#ff0000">Mississippi State recruit says Facebook status update about visiting an adult establishment was a joke:</font> <font color="#009999">[url="http://bit.ly/6NLf3S"]http://bit.ly/6NLf3S</font>[/url]</span> <span class="meta entry-meta"><span class="published timestamp" jquery1267849630793="1551">4:18 PM Jan 19th</span> <span>via TweetDeck</span> </span></span><p id="status_7957801347" class="hentry u-kyleveazey status" nodeindex="1466"><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><font color="#ff0000">Mississippi State has released a statement addressing those Internet rumors about last weekend's official visits</font>: <font color="#009999">[url="http://bit.ly/7tnNPf"]http://bit.ly/7tnNPf</font>[/url]</span> <span class="meta entry-meta"><span class="published timestamp" jquery1267849630793="1556">12:10 PM Jan 19th</span> <span>via TweetDeck</span> </span></span></p> ETA: After reading down the thread a bit, I have no idea whether there have been deleted tweets from veazey. These are the only two that reference the issue. If you say he deleted tweets, prove it.
<span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><font color="#ff0000">Mississippi State recruit says Facebook status update about visiting an adult establishment was a joke:</font> <font color="#009999">[url="http://bit.ly/6NLf3S"]http://bit.ly/6NLf3S</font>[/url]</span> <span class="meta entry-meta"><span class="published timestamp" jquery1267849630793="1551">4:18 PM Jan 19th</span> <span>via TweetDeck</span> </span></span><p id="status_7957801347" class="hentry u-kyleveazey status" nodeindex="1466"><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><font color="#ff0000">Mississippi State has released a statement addressing those Internet rumors about last weekend's official visits</font>: <font color="#009999">[url="http://bit.ly/7tnNPf"]http://bit.ly/7tnNPf</font>[/url]</span> <span class="meta entry-meta"><span class="published timestamp" jquery1267849630793="1556">12:10 PM Jan 19th</span> <span>via TweetDeck</span> </span></span></p> ETA: After reading down the thread a bit, I have no idea whether there have been deleted tweets from veazey. These are the only two that reference the issue. If you say he deleted tweets, prove it.