Football VIDEO: Every throw from Gavin Wimsatt versus Michigan
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a few non-expert observations (from me):
* GW generally he did a good job of not forcing things (threw a lot of balls out of bounds).
* obviously GWs accuracy could be better but I'd rather he throw balls away then force things (see bullet above)
* the WRs made a few REALLY good catches
* it was not DPI on the taunting play. that ball was not catchable (waaaay too high). but how was that flag picked up? he pushed the WR well after the play and then did a demonstrative hand motion in the WRs face - ref calls it and then picks up flag? truly, WTF?
* the Michigan line would repeatedly try to bait the OL into false starts. the play at 4:36 in the video is particularly egregious. isnt that illegal? the OL did a good job not falling for it.
* GW generally he did a good job of not forcing things (threw a lot of balls out of bounds).
* obviously GWs accuracy could be better but I'd rather he throw balls away then force things (see bullet above)
* the WRs made a few REALLY good catches
* it was not DPI on the taunting play. that ball was not catchable (waaaay too high). but how was that flag picked up? he pushed the WR well after the play and then did a demonstrative hand motion in the WRs face - ref calls it and then picks up flag? truly, WTF?
* the Michigan line would repeatedly try to bait the OL into false starts. the play at 4:36 in the video is particularly egregious. isnt that illegal? the OL did a good job not falling for it.
The DL doing the shift and clap- I noticed it all game but can't see where it could be a penalty.
The taunting- very strange to be picked up- as it WAS taunting
Interesting enough, my original thought on the INT for TD is that GW never should have tried to run down the guy and that the possible block to the back was a non issue. Watching again, that really was a blocking to the back- it should have been called.
GW is far from perfect but he is well beyond where I thought he would be. Making throws we havnt made in years and making smart plays- when he decides to run and throwing the ball away.
Another player that really needs major props after 80% of this fan base wrote him off and thought he was not a D1 player - Dremel has stepped up and made some very P5 plays this year. So many were so wrong
The taunting- very strange to be picked up- as it WAS taunting
Interesting enough, my original thought on the INT for TD is that GW never should have tried to run down the guy and that the possible block to the back was a non issue. Watching again, that really was a blocking to the back- it should have been called.
GW is far from perfect but he is well beyond where I thought he would be. Making throws we havnt made in years and making smart plays- when he decides to run and throwing the ball away.
Another player that really needs major props after 80% of this fan base wrote him off and thought he was not a D1 player - Dremel has stepped up and made some very P5 plays this year. So many were so wrong
You can expect a nineteen year old to do the things that he is doing. The good thing is that we have him for a few more years. And he's only going to get better.
regarding the DL baiting - as much as I am a fan of football I didnt play so I dont know the rules nearly as well as a know basketball. I thought it was a penalty to so obviously try and bait the OL like that. guess I was wrong?
actually - regarding the block in the back on the INT. I meant to have that as one of my bullets. I had the exact opposite impression. I didnt think that was from behind at all.
regarding my observations on GW - while I think they are accurate - they are just that - observations. not criticisms - I agree with you and the other poster that he is playing smart, within his (current) skill level and I too am excited what he might be able to do in the future. he is still VERY YOUNG.
Dremel indeed is making plays.
Thats no penalty on the DL.
As long as they dont cross into the neutral zone they can do anything they want.
As long as they dont cross into the neutral zone they can do anything they want.
1-Bad, off
2-Good, complete
3-Tood/great TD!!!,
4-Good, complete
5-Good, 1st Down
6-Good
8- Bad, dangerous
9--PI
10--Good- throwaway
11--Good/great- sideline
12- Good- slightly out of bounds
13-Good/great
14--Good/OOB
15-Bad- high
16--Good/great
17--Bad- INT, but great play by Michigan
18--Good screen, dropped by Bowman
19--Good complete
20--Good complete
21--Good- complete
22- Good- pressure- dropped
23- Bad- off mark, or did receiver run wrong route
Only have 5 "bad" passes of 23 thrown, and arguably only 4 were bad. Overall, progressing and a good game by Gavin!!!
2-Good, complete
3-Tood/great TD!!!,
4-Good, complete
5-Good, 1st Down
6-Good
8- Bad, dangerous
9--PI
10--Good- throwaway
11--Good/great- sideline
12- Good- slightly out of bounds
13-Good/great
14--Good/OOB
15-Bad- high
16--Good/great
17--Bad- INT, but great play by Michigan
18--Good screen, dropped by Bowman
19--Good complete
20--Good complete
21--Good- complete
22- Good- pressure- dropped
23- Bad- off mark, or did receiver run wrong route
Only have 5 "bad" passes of 23 thrown, and arguably only 4 were bad. Overall, progressing and a good game by Gavin!!!
I assume all of your "good" vs "bad" ratings are relative to the current state of his development. if so, I agree.
however, a number of those throwaways were not "good" per se (a more skillled QB is able to make those throws) but considering where he currently is skill wise - I agree, most of those were "good" decisions to throw away (rather than force)
Are you speaking of throw aways for the entirety of the season? There was only one on Saturday and that was a good one. I do think that there were a couple in other games that he didnt see a secondary WR that was open.
What I also look at are the throws he is also making. He had 3 sideline throws that were great. He has also been hitting guys in stride- the obvious one to Dremel this week but a couple of great leads to RB's out of the backfield in other games.
And for the first time in years- the ball leaves his hand and I actually think we are more likely to catch the pass than not.
GWs best game. The receivers weren't breaking wide open...lots of tight windows. This game it was less about accuracy and more about timing. A couple of incompletions seemed to be due to GW hitting the WR late, especially on patterns breaking to the sideline. Some of the great catches didn't need to be so great if the ball is delivered a split second sooner. But he looked serviceable for a "normal" Big Ten offense with room to grow.
Can’t disagree with anyone’s takes here on Gavin’s game. Solid and another step forward. As for the taunting flag, you could argue if a flag should’ve been thrown, but once it was thrown, I don’t see how you can pick it up.
GW seriously needs to work on touch passes.
And he could also do a better job of avoiding those where he gets his receiver hung out to dry.
The progress he's made is obvious though.
And he could also do a better job of avoiding those where he gets his receiver hung out to dry.
The progress he's made is obvious though.
bottom line - the kid has shown undeniable improvement over last year in every respect.
If he continues to improve throughout the year and continuing on after, given his natural talent, good things could be ahead
Last year many here were (rightfully) questioning whether he would ever “get it” - now he is basically a smart “game manager.” That’s a big step. And hopefully, in time, he is able to better utilize his natural talents. In the mean time I don’t have a problem with him as a smart game manager
I agree with both of your previous posts and love that both really should just be great conversation on GW. Thank you
So- my response, with the above being my point- I think he is much more than a game manager. And this is my one current issue with Greg. There is never a time that I think he gives offense freedom.
Rutgers is coaching offense this year like it is the previous 3-4 years.
Gavin has shown some great decisions and he as shown his arm and some really good throws. Yes, he makes mistakes but he SHOULD be anything but a game manager going forward.
We are going to be 6/7 wins at best and 5 wins is house money for Greg if we continue to show...
Let's see what a GW airshow could look like. For the first time- we have WR's running good routes and making some spectacular catches. We have a ground game that has to be respected.
Let the kid open up and maybe even make mistakes. THIS is the year to do it. I would think he still would be on the positive side of TD's/TO's.
GW- has been used as a game manager and in the first part of the season- it was "show me" for him. I see no reason not to let him air it 25-30 times a game now.
He made some pretty good throws, and some clunkers, and seems to just need some time to mature. It's refreshing to see passes downfield after so many years of short, short passes.
It's not necessarily just neutral zone. You cannot simulate an act which induces the offensive lineman to move. They can't do anything they want; you can't call out a similar cadence or feint, clap hands, bob head or abruptly flex arm and leg movements causing the offensive line to move. They're flirting with the rule when they have the entire line shift lateral every down and they know that.
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Frankly, it was based on quick review and just winging it. See more below.
The first throw (bad) was in the vicinity of Langan. Maybe bad is unfair, maybe it's fair. Looked like Washington COULD have been an option or he could have rolled out further, but I was not standing there with 330 lb lineman running at me.
#8 was a dangerous pass that should have been thrown away or to another option.
#17 was the INT- looked like he was in double coverage
#23 was a missed TD pass, maybe the WR should have turned to the sideline?
Some of this may be fair/unfair, as one or two of these could be on the receiver and not the QB?
thats what I thought!
and it wasnt just the shift - I figured that, alone, wasnt a big issue . but more than one player (and particularly the kid on the far end at 4:36 in the video) was quite obviously making movements with his arms and legs to try and get the OL to move. honestly, you never really see it that obvious so I figured it wasnt legal (if it was - why wouldnt every DL do it on every play?)
I dont disagree.
we are only 4 games in. up to this point I think it was VERY SMART for the coaches to handle GW the way they have. I think it has paid off in making him more comfortable and competent. a VAST improvement over last year. not sure that happens if he just lets it rip from game 1 of this year.
but maybe now that he has his legs under him - maybe they do allow him to open it up a bit!
Wagner provides a perfect opportunity for that.