I remember Dane Key drawing a 15-yard penalty right in front of stoops. If I recall Key shoved an opponent after the play was over. Stoops didn't do anything at least while the camera was on him. The Stoops that I thought I knew should have lost his ****. Can you imagine a player picking up a 15-yard penalty like that in front of Nick Saban? That player would have been crying in the fetal position.
These types of penalties happened all year, pretty much every game. Really, It was embarrassing that our players couldn't show more self control...
Many fan bases are way worse than UK’s. They still can attract top end coaches. Several don’t pay their coach the way UK does. I doubt the next coach will make 9 million a year, but if they had the opportunity they would do it. 9 million is fifth in the SEC 3rd in the ACC, 3rd in the B1G. It isn’t like he’s making a few thousand more, he is making 1-5 million more. No UK doesn’t want most of those coaches but if they are paying close to 9 million they can attract a good coach
Kinda weak throwing IU out there. They played two ranked teams. Lost both games. They play our schedule probably be about 7-4 6-5!!
Which was still better than we were at it. Big 10 is also a pretty good conference. The current NC came out of it. Granted, I get they don't all play each other, but still not an easy accomplishment for IU. However, we played several years in a down East and couldn't even make a conference championship.
We beat a ranked team. That was one more than IU.
But against top flight programs they stunk. You would look down on UK if we loss to all the ranked teams we play. Just using IU to look up to is a bad take.
Lulz.
So, Stoops only bears "some" of the responsibility for the outcome of the football games he's the head coach of? Like not the water freaking boy, but the head coach? You can't be this dumb. Newsflash: it's not the fans. The fans aren't the problem. But yeah, I remember you. You told me Scangerello was going to be awesome as OC. Lol. Yeah.
The only two ranked teams they played they loss. Not sold on IU being a great team. We loss to 4 teams ranked and beat one ranked above us. Your way of thinking the best IU would have done our schedule was 7-5. Nothing to hang your hat on.
Would of been a lot better than the 4 -8 record we produced.
That's essentially my point. SEC teams that are historically top 15/20 are much more attractive jobs, so coaches will put up with more grief and pressure. He got market rate when he signed that contract, though he has underperformed relative to his 3 years previous to the signing. If he had averaged 8 wins the last 3 years, everyone would've been happy with that contract, but that's how life works sometimes. We all know the UK has to overpay a bit to attract the best coaches. We're kind of like an ugly guy who just got rich. He'll be able to pull some hot ladies, but he's spending a lot to make that happen, unlike Brad Pitt who could get the same level of women if he was broke.
The head coach always bears the ultimate responsibility for results, I'm adding context for those who have the mental capacity to process nuance.
So when UK wins 10 games it is against teams that are down they stink. But when IU wins games against teams that are down it is great. They play two ranked teams and loss them both. Funny how you think.
Were the teams IU lost to ranked higher and the betting favorite to win or no?
Yes they lost to the only ranked teams they played. Just happens that those two beat out the top SEC teams and played for the championship. Yes they played a horrible schedule and beat them all. I don’t think they were a top 10 team but they had a heck of a year. Can they repeat it? Who knows but their schedule is still favorable. The only way anyone has your view on this is from hatred towards IU and the B1G.
I am not saying IU had a bad team but they didn’t beat one ranked team. Apples to oranges but if you took our ten win season and we playedIU schedule we would be very close to their record. But folks bad mouth our great seasons. We have some very negative folks.
We have a grass is always greener society, and I am not immune to that either, but sometimes we don't analyze the risk accurately. Stoops had us at our highest level ever, but we could all taste the chance to be in the upper echelon, but knew that probably wouldn't happen with our Iowa like system in the SEC. Stoops did what he probably felt he had to do and we all thought it looked like a great idea, but it didn't work out, so the same people clamoring for that move are calling for his job because it didn't work out. It's asinine. He did what I wanted him to do and it didn't work out, so you have a year to right the ship and another to confirm the new trend line and I'm satisfied. Imagine if every boss fired every employee who took an approved risk and failed, then there'd be diminished incentive to take risks moving forward.
You know, I double checked, but still couldn't find "context" and "nuance" in the box score or record for any games, oh wise one. It appears as though that's not anything anyone tracks or records.
Played golf this week with big UK fan who has a nephew who is all-state at St. X. Kid's family is pro UL and that's where he is going next year. This guy told me when kid and family were on UK visit, Marrow told them he was going to UL and that the kid should follow him there. TIFWIW but I believe the story and am glad Vince is gone.
Welp , here is My take …. I like Stoops but he also drives me insane.
Not tuned in tight with recruiting. I am curious. Can anyone tell me which Ohio recruits were redirected to UL by VM?
One Ky guy was Strickland. He switched to UL. I really believe he wasn’t putting much effort in his job. I heard he married a UL gal and wanted to go there. Liked him why he was here but he left kinda dirty. UL worded things so he didn’t have a buyout. Don’t think he did a good job coaching our TEs.
Strickland is from Paducah, KY. Not Ohio.
I stated he was from Ky just saying a recruit went from UK to UL. Early in recruiting we were always getting Ohio guys. Read between the lines VM was laying down on the job!!
Should have never removed Eddie Gran as OC.
I agree completely. I thought it was a bad idea at the time and it's proven to be true as time went on. We won a bunch of games with Eddie as OC. What he did with Bowden was masterful. That saved the season.
