Vladimir Putin says can prove Trump did not pass Russia secrets

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Tillerson commented today that the U.S. has no idea if their meeting with the Russian Ambassador was recorded by the Russians.
 

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Perhaps the White House does not frisk Ambassadors when they enter the Oval office.


Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has no idea if Russians bugged the Oval Office.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that he has a transcript of President Trump’s meeting with Foreign Minister Lavrov, leading some to wonder if Putin actually has a transcript and, if so, how he obtained a copy.

“Secretary, Vladimir Putin is offering Congress a transcript of that Sergey Lavrov Oval Office meeting. Do you think that Russians were bugging the Oval Office?” NBC News correspondent Andrea Mitchell asked Tillerson.

“I would have no way to know that,” Tillerson responded with a laugh and a wave.

Questions were raised about the Lavrov meeting after the Washington Post reported that sources said Trump had slipped classified information from U.S. allies to Russia.

National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, who was in the meeting, denied that any information that was not already available through open sourcing was revealed. He also said the president did not reveal any “sources or methods.”

Some members of Congress have been asking for transcripts of the meeting to determine what, exactly, was revealed.
 

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Should we start? Or have some nerdy jamming devices?

You would think so. My guess is that every government does this. If the Ambassador had a listening device on him, do you search him and risk alienating him or her? Can jamming devices really stop this kind of up close recording? IDK.

After all, Obama was listening to Merkel's phone conversations.
 

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You would think so. My guess is that every government does this. If the Ambassador had a listening device on him, do you search him and risk alienating him or her? Can jamming devices really stop this kind of up close recording? IDK.
Me? I sure as f*ck would. Especially if the Amb is considered a spy by all Western intel.

Who cares about Obama and Merkel? America first
 

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Who cares if the obamapuppet and Hilliary committed dozens of felonies ??

as long as the fake media doesn't report it, it never happened...
That seems to have everything to do with what we are talking about in this thread. Send a tip to AG Sessions and good luck!
 

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Me? I sure as f*ck would. Especially if the Amb is considered a spy by all Western intel.

Who cares about Obama and Merkel? America first

Of course the Ambassador will report everything to Putin. But knowing that I assume the President, the Head of NSA and the Head of State would not say something they don't want Putin to know.
 

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Of course the Ambassador will report everything to Putin. But knowing that I assume the President, the Head of NSA and the Head of State would not say something they don't want Putin to know.

I point out the Merkel situation to show that all governments do this.
 

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I point out the Merkel situation to show that all governments do this.
Right, but I only really care about my country.
Of course the Ambassador will report everything to Putin. But knowing that I assume the President, the Head of NSA and the Head of State would not say something they don't want Putin to know.
Hopefully POTUS doesn't go off script! Report back and record is very different. Not that it matters one bit, but I'd prefer to have no foreign governments (friendly or hostile or in between) record anything on any of our grounds. And the WH? Yikes. Not a fan.
 

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Right, but I only really care about my country.

Hopefully POTUS doesn't go off script! Report back and record is very different. Not that it matters one bit, but I'd prefer to have no foreign governments (friendly or hostile or in between) record anything on any of our grounds. And the WH? Yikes. Not a fan.

Me either, but I strongly suspect it happens and happens all the time. We know, for example, the Russian embassy and likely all other foreign embassy's have very strong listening devices.
 

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I thought Israel was very, very upset that Trump may have disclosed their role? As McMaster said, what Trump told the Ambassador was WHOLLY APPROPRIATE. We want Russian cooperation to defeat ISIS. If they too are at risk of having their planes bombed (as has already happened), I think it appropriate to warn them if we want their help.
 

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Rightists are pleased that Russia taped the meeting and trust Putin? Bold strategy.

I can't stand Russians Coop. Seems to me I remember a time though...let's say back in the 80's, when they (Russians) were the darlings of the Left. I'm glad you all are now as suspicious of them as I've always been when they were avowed Communists running the Iron curtain and all I can say now is what took you all so long to see them as they truly are?
 

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Rightists are pleased that Russia taped the meeting and trust Putin? Bold strategy.

I thought Obama told Medvedev to tell Putin he would have more flexibility after the election. And I thought Hillary gave the Russians a reset button. So don't go all high and mighty on us that the libs have hated the Russians all along.
 

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I thought Obama told Medvedev to tell Putin he would have more flexibility after the election. And I thought Hillary gave the Russians a reset button. So don't go all high and mighty on us that the libs have hated the Russians all along.
I'm not a lib. I still hate the Russians...well moreso the Russian government.....I don't recall ever praising Obama for his handling of Russia (Team Romney 4 life). I'm not against having some type of relationship with them, but I'm not trusting their record of events and f them if they did tape it, which is what my response to atl was about.
 

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I'm not a lib. I still hate the Russians...well moreso the Russian government.....I don't recall ever praising Obama for his handling of Russia (Team Romney 4 life). I'm not against having some type of relationship with them, but I'm not trusting their record of events and f them if they did tape it, which is what my response to atl was about.

The Russians are certainly not out allies. The right has hated the Soviets from the beginning. Old line Dems like JFK and Scoop Jackson also hated the communists. But the new Dems did not. They liked the Soviets and wanted to befriend them. Romney warned Obama in the debate and you know how Obama responded.

Now, we have Dems falling over themselves to blame everything on Russia. It's all political, not ideological. Obama and Hillary desperately wanted good relations with Russia. I think Trump wants their help in defeating ISIS but the relationship is not nor ever will be a good one.
 

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I can't stand Russians Coop. Seems to me I remember a time though...let's say back in the 80's, when they (Russians) were the darlings of the Left. I'm glad you all are now as suspicious of them as I've always been when they were avowed Communists running the Iron curtain and all I can say now is what took you all so long to see them as they truly are?
I am literally lost as to what that has anything to do with what we are talking about in this thread? You posted Leftists Not Pleased about a post claiming that Russia taped a WH conversation. Why would anyone be pleased? Forget the 1980s and just focus on that one thing.
 

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The Russians are certainly not out allies. The right has hated the Soviets from the beginning. Old line Dems like JFK and Scoop Jackson also hated the communists. But the new Dems did not. They liked the Soviets and wanted to befriend them. Romney warned Obama in the debate and you know how Obama responded.

Now, we have Dems falling over themselves to blame everything on Russia. It's all political, not ideological. Obama and Hillary desperately wanted good relations with Russia. I think Trump wants their help in defeating ISIS but the relationship is not nor ever will be a good one.
I think we need to get past the 1980s, but agree with you they are not our allies. I think we should start there.
 

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I think we need to get past the 1980s, but agree with you they are not our allies. I think we should start there.

I am not just talking about the 1980's. Many Dems have loved the Soviets since the Communist revolution. Walter Durante grew famous as a NY Times reporter touting the virtues of Stalin. Dems today still claim the Rosenberg's were not spies.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, Dems still by and large wanted a strong relationship with Russia. Certainly Obama and Hillary did. Now they don't. I wonder why?
 

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I am literally lost as to what that has anything to do with what we are talking about in this thread? You posted Leftists Not Pleased about a post claiming that Russia taped a WH conversation. Why would anyone be pleased? Forget the 1980s and just focus on that one thing.

OK Coop fine. Suppose that Russian recording obliterates all of the charges on the Left about Trump's "collusion" or whatever other scurrilous charge the Left is making about whatever "secrets" Trump passed along to the Russians? (Putin says it exonerates Trump from those Leftist charges)

So then the Left is happy? Their whole narrative about Trump vanishes after a few minutes of recorded conversation? Impeachment? Treason? Criminality? All gone? You guys on the Left would be pleased to see Trump cleared of all of your charges against him?
 

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Are we at the point where we are believing foreign dictators posing as democratic leaders now?

Vlad vs the fake media ?

I'll take Vlad...

He's more believable...

that anyone still believes there is a Trump/Russia connection is the problem...
 

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Are we at the point where we are believing foreign dictators posing as democratic leaders now?

No boom. We are at the point in history where we should be clearly recognizing our enemies just as we've always done until the last crowd came in and thought they could "normalize" relations with our sworn enemies like Russia.

boom do you remember how the Left scoffed at Reagan when he deliverd his famous "evil empire" speech in which he referred to Russia and its attempts to spread Soviet style Socialism around the globe as "the focus of Evil in the modern world"?



The Left mocked Reagan back then and called him "naive". Now the Russians are our blood oath partners on the Right with Trump according to the Left? When did the Right ever embrace them? Mitt Romney called them our biggest threat back in 2012 and the Left made fun of him along with Obama as living "in the cold war past".

Enter Obama and Hillary with their idiotic "reset" strategy, and Russia is now the dominant force in the Middle East, Ukraine, the Baltics, Medo-Persia, Pacific-rim, Horn of Africa, and IndoChina. That's the result of the Left's refusal to see them as they've always been...our strategic geopolitical competitors and sworn adversaries.
 

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Are we at the point where we are believing foreign dictators posing as democratic leaders now?
Honestly? Considering the string of ******** from WaPo and NYT in the last week or two? Pretty much. Well, to qualify that better, I have no faith in either the foreign dictator or the MSM. The NYT could report factually on something I was part of and I'd still be skeptical of it.

I literally couldn't have less faith in either NYT or WaPo and likely never will again. They're pretty much a non-factor going forward.