Wallace

[Bluefaithful]

It's okay that you picture you me in a tu tu while you touch yourself...different strokes for different folks.

No worries, just wash your hands and keep them to yourself when you're not plugging Chewbaca...or are you a strictly a catcher?

Catcher? Thurman Munson, Johnny Bench,

Come on TuTu, is that all you got?

In the side of mind i will say this. I do not agree with you using art and other peoples pictures with a program that was devolped in 1987 so you can have friends but its legal until its not, You are so out of pratice since your Summer long ban. I will give you a couple months to get it right. Then hollar

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Catcher? Thurman Munson, Johnny Bench,

Come on TuTu, is that all you got?

In the side of mind i will say this. I do not agree with you using art and other peoples pictures with a program that was devolped in 1987 so you can have friends but its legal until its not, You are so out of pratice since your Summer long ban. I will give you a couple months to get it right. Then hollar

What did you go back and copy/paste this from last year or ask your BF for help after he was thru, since it took you 6 hours to respond? Maybe he wore you out. [laughing]

Laughable you point out a date a software was first developed when I use a creative cloud version that rolled out last year, all while your avatar is from 1978 - do you wear it when taking it or are you a storm trooper.

Figures a dumbass like yourself would elevate Wheeler over Frederick or Reeves after a handful of games. Do you even read/comprehend what you post?

Did you touch yourself picturing me in a tu tu last night? We know you did...

[roll]

 

[kelzer]

our only consistent players in big games are Wallace and Oscar, that's settled. Build your team around those two. What compliments them and gets you defense and rebounding.

We are throwing out all kinds of line ups ONLY because everyone else besides those two have sucked azzz in the big games. (Theiro excluded, not seen the floor in big games) We can blame Cal but everyone but Wallace and Oscar playing like shizzz isn't entirely Cal's fault.

PS the above poster who says Fredrick is good on defense is smoking crack. I have proof. it's in his idiotic thesis statement. Yeah Wallace is so bad on defense he about leads nation in steals.

My whole post was about TEAM defense and you give an individual stat.

 

[FanofUK]

Cal is so defensive minded he can't see good offense can make up for a few mistakes. That said I still argue the hard ball pressure 10ft from the 3pt line is causing issues.
In football we play way 2 far off the wr and in basketball we pressure 2 tight from half court only to be blown by for an easy drive.

 

[Jamal Mercer]

Hard truths for UK fans:

1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.

2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.

3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.

4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.

5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.

6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.

7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.

8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.

I said some of these things the other day and got blasted lol. I agree with all of these points.

 

[kelzer]

PS the above poster who says Fredrick is good on defense is smoking crack. I have proof. it's in his idiotic thesis statement. Yeah Wallace is so bad on defense he about leads nation in steals.

Seriously, I only posted 4 clips, and Wallace was responsible for giving up 11 points in those 4 plays, but I guess his 4 steals for the game prove he's a great defender.

I'll bet you didn't even watch the clips. How about this one, where Wallace just stands there and lets Timme drive right past him. Oscar sucked on this one too, but at least he has the excuse of avoiding picking up a foul.

 

[FanofUK]

Hard truths for UK fans:

1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.

2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.

3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.

4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.

5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.

6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.

7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.

8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.

I agree with most all of this, I think our best chance is Wallace/Reeves/Oscar have to be on the floor and off shooting nights from Reeves we take an L. The other 2 really do not matter mix in Wheeler/Livingston/Ware/Collins/CJ as you want. Honestly I think Thiero could provide a lot but we know we are not seeing that. Toppin ackts like this alpha male but I have yet to see him make a shot when it matters. Collins just flat out cannot shoot. SHOOTING IS STILL THE BASIC PROBLEM HERE, Cal says if you can't defend he can't play you. Well I think if you can't shoot then sit.

 

[DaDirtyLeb69]

The more and more you look at this roster, the better you realize that this team just isn’t that loaded with talent. Wallace and Oscar are the only 2 that should be locked in as starters. Reeves and Frederick role players, Livingston toppin- atheltic,
Not great shooters, can’t create off the dribble= role players, wheeler, face change of pace backup PG, ware & Ugonna= ware is what he is, Ugonna has plenty of potential but right now role players, Thiero- like his minutes every time, sometimes a little bit out of control, but all out effort and a decent shooter. So basically this team has a college superstar, and Wallace a freshman star, after that is a whole lot of avg to limited players, players like that are being played in roles that they shouldn’t be will never lead to a championship or anything close to it

 

[jjsomer]

Now tell me that Wheeler is the starting PG

WTF does this have to do with being a PG? These numbers mean he needs to be on the floor, period. If he can run the team from the PG position and still get these numbers...along with a good A/TO ration...put him at 1.

 

[JLoad22]

WTF does this have to do with being a PG? These numbers mean he needs to be on the floor, period. If he can run the team from the PG position and still get these numbers...along with a good A/TO ration...put him at 1.

He's devoted his life to hating Wheeler from every possible angle. I'd rather see Wallace run the team as well, but obsession is the name of the game with several here. They literally can't control themselves.

 

[Chitown Terry]

Hard truths for UK fans:

1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.

2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.

3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.

4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.

5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.

6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.

7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.

8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.

Your comments about the abilities of the players on this year's roster are very accurate. Your comments about Cal's coaching are ridiculous but that is typical of people on this site. I think it's interesting that you and others are so concerned about players transferring. I'm pretty sure that no player that has transferred from Kentucky under Calipari has ever been drafted by any NBA team. I remember Cal saying that last year and noone challenged that statement. A few players who left have played a little better against much weaker competition but their basketball careers have gone nowhere. Noone is transferring anywhere right now in my opinion. If someone transfers at the end of the year, it will be someone who most people will be glad to see go.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Wallace is our only real definitive first round pick.

Change my mind, BBN.

Nope, you’re correct. Told my wife that very thing during the Gonzaga game. I honestly don’t see any other first rounder on our roster, as of yet anyway.

 

[jjsomer]

I keep replaying portions of the MSU and Gonzaga games looking for evidence that Fredrick doesn't play defense, and I can't find it. Not that he hasn't made a mistake here or there, or gotten blown by a few times, but I've seen everybody make many mistakes and get blown by. I also watch and I see nobody on the team that plays better *team* defense than Fredrick.

Everybody loves Wallace's defense, but it's all individual defense. His team defense is mediocre at best. Here's an example:



Watch how Wallace leaves his man wide open under the basket. He's trying to help out on Timme, but loses track of where his man is. He's in a terrible position - kind of playing a one-man zone in the paint while Timme is 17 feet from the basket with Toppin on him.

People around here probably think that was CJ's man who missed the easy reverse layup because he was forced to leave his man that was on the 3-pt line to go pick up Wallace's unguarded man. Then CJ's man gets the follow-up dunk.

Here's another example:



Wallace is way too far off his man to help down low, and gives up a wide open 3. Again CJ is forced to leave his man to help but can't get there in time. Everybody probably thinks this is CJ's fault too. Wallace never should have been that low.

Here's another sequence where Wallace leaves his man (#0) wide open for a 3 because his weak side help was way too far off his man (not to mention it wasn't really needed because the guy who drove already had 3 UK players surrounding him) .



How about this play, where Wallace goes under the screen and give up the three:



In fairness, Fredrick made the same mistake early in the game.

I could easily post a dozen more similar screwups by Wallace and others (including Oscar). Singling out Fredrick as being a bad defender while ignoring the bad defense played by everyone else is absurd.

Everything you displayed here are coaching mistakes. Knowing who to help from...over or under on the screens...how to defend the P&R. The team has to know how Gonzaga will run their offense and what to do to defend it.

Wallace made mistakes...sure. But, we helped off Bolton and Strawther all night long. Clearly, there was not an emphasis on defending Timme in the post. Plus, why was Oscar defending Timme? Why not Jacob? Did Timme guard Oscar? No.

Cal was out-coached by Few...plain and simple.

 

[DaDirtyLeb69]

Hard truths for UK fans:

1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.

2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.

3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.

4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.

5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.

6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.

7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.

8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.

Spot on man, this roster is less talented than than the SGA & Knox team and that team had plenty of roster problems

 

[jjsomer]

He's devoted his life to hating Wheeler from every possible angle. I'd rather see Wallace run the team as well, but obsession is the name of the game with several here. They literally can't control themselves.

We saw Wallace run the team in the opening minutes against MSU. He is a FR and is not ready to run the team. We have a seasoned, All-SEC PG on the roster that currently has 33A to 6 TO. He is a shooting liability, sure. Run a f'ing offense where the ball doesn't end in Wheeler's hands with the shot clock under 10. Wheeler is not and will not ever be a shoot-first PG...but he can run a team and find open players in a position to score.

 

[JLoad22]

We saw Wallace run the team in the opening minutes against MSU. He is a FR and is not ready to run the team. We have a seasoned, All-SEC PG on the roster that currently has 33A to 6 TO. He is a shooting liability, sure. Run a f'ing offense where the ball doesn't end in Wheeler's hands with the shot clock under 10. Wheeler is not and will not ever be a shoot-first PG...but he can run a team and find open players in a position to score.

He can't take a team to a final four. He CANNOT do it. PERIOD. Wallace is our only chance to get to the final four if he keeps developing at the high pace that he is. So we're gonna take Wheeler out of the game the last five minutes of every tournament game? Laughable! He's had an entire career to become a good decision maker down the stretch and he can't do it. An entire career.

 

[G-PIP]

To me, if the team is going to get to the point of having a chance in March the lineup needs to be:

PG - Wallace/Wheeler/Reeves (play Wheeler 20-25 min/game, but for shorter periods)
2G - Fredrick/Wallace/Reeves
SF – Reeves/Thiero/Fredrick
PF - Toppin/Livingston (maybe Collins more as the year goes on & maybe even some Theiro – he looks 6’7” already)
C - Tshiebwe/Ware/Ugonna/Collins

I think it’s the only way the offense will ever develop to be good enough to have a chance. Whatever failings they’re having currently, I think you take your lumps with this lineup & rotation now and try to develop them into a good defensive unit by March. I believe that Toppin and Livingston are losing options at SF – at PF (if they’ll rebound and defend well) the offense works ok and can get better there if they can learn to exploit mismatches. If you’re going to play those two at SF, then my plan would be to just give up any hope of good offense or offensive flow and try to make the game ugly.

Collins, Ugonna & Ware are just spot minute players at this point – which is fine. They could really help a team in those roles. Thiero is a good freshman basketball player. If his attitude is right and he sticks at UK, I think the advisors to 5-star SF recruits convinced they’re OAD are going to steer those guys elsewhere after next season. But this year I think it’s best to work him in, in different spots, and let him develop.

 

[kelzer]

Everything you displayed here are coaching mistakes. Knowing who to help from...over or under on the screens...how to defend the P&R. The team has to know how Gonzaga will run their offense and what to do to defend it.

Wallace made mistakes...sure. But, we helped off Bolton and Strawther all night long. Clearly, there was not an emphasis on defending Timme in the post. Plus, why was Oscar defending Timme? Why not Jacob? Did Timme guard Oscar? No.

Cal was out-coached by Few...plain and simple.

I'm not going to get into a debate about Cal's coaching. And I didn't mean to single out Wallace here - I could easily pick any other player and find similar issues.

I really like Wallace a lot, but he's a freshman and it's going to take a while for him and other newcomers to the team to figure out this defense. This defense isn't easy. There's a lot of switching and you absolutely HAVE TO TALK . You need to sag off your man on the weak side, but not too much and you can't forget about him.

Even those who've been on the team a couple of years are struggling, because until all 5 guys on the floor figure it out, the defense is going to suck.

 

[Bluefaithful]

What did you go back and copy/paste this from last year or ask your BF for help after he was thru, since it took you 6 hours to respond? Maybe he wore you out. [laughing]

Laughable you point out a date a software was first developed when I use a creative cloud version that rolled out last year, all while your avatar is from 1978 - do you wear it when taking it or are you a storm trooper.

Figures a dumbass like yourself would elevate Wheeler over Frederick or Reeves after a handful of games. Do you even read/comprehend what you post?

Did you touch yourself picturing me in a tu tu last night? We know you did...

[roll]

Like i said you are out of practice. Ill give you 2 months. Youll be back!!! Throwing the gay card is just so old. If you want to speak to my hot wife, you will have to ask her!! You need new material TuTu

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Like i said you are out of practice. Ill give you 2 months. Youll be back!!! Throwing the gay card is just so old. If you want to speak to my hot wife, you will have to ask her!! You need new material TuTu

No shame in you being gay Bluebuddah faithful...do you dress him up with a tu tu too, or stick to the leather and chains and your darf vader ********? [laughing]

 

[jjsomer]

He can't take a team to a final four. He CANNOT do it. PERIOD. Wallace is our only chance to get to the final four if he keeps developing at the high pace that he is. So we're gonna take Wheeler out of the game the last five minutes of every tournament game? Laughable! He's had an entire career to become a good decision maker down the stretch and he can't do it. An entire career.

We have a better shot with Wheeler than with Wallace. Wheeler has deficiencies (shooting and untimely turnovers)...but so does Wallace (inexperience). Either could be the PG of a Final Four team with a coach that can play to their strengths, but Calipari is the weak link.

 

[bucsrule8872]

We have a better shot with Wheeler than with Wallace. Wheeler has deficiencies (shooting and untimely turnovers)...but so does Wallace (inexperience). Either could be the PG of a Final Four team with a coach that can play to their strengths, but Calipari is the weak link.

How do you remedy Wallace’s inexperience? You let him run the PG now and gain experience. Then by March, he has experience. Then you have an experienced Wallace AND Wheeler as a backup plan. It’s too late to fix Wheeler’s shortcomings.

 

[jjsomer]

How do you remedy Wallace’s inexperience? You let him run the PG now and gain experience. Then by March, he has experience. Then you have an experienced Wallace AND Wheeler as a backup plan. It’s too late to fix Wheeler’s shortcomings.

Not if you have an All SEC point guard. You play Wallace off the ball and let him run point when Wheeler rests. But, then again, a competent coach can take advantage of Wheelers strengths. The point guard doesn't have to be a score first player.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Not if you have an All SEC point guard. You play Wallace off the ball and let him run point when Wheeler rests. But, then again, a competent coach can take advantage of Wheelers strengths. The point guard doesn't have to be a score first player.

Wallace’s ceiling is soooo much higher than Wheeler’s it isn’t even funny. So you have a guy that has All-American/Lottery pick potential and you play him off the ball even though it’s clear he is better with the ball, so you can play an All-SEC guy that can only play at PG? That is the safe play, but not necessarily the winning play in the end.

Remember the old Darius Miller vs. MKG debate? Sometimes it’s better to bench the Senior for the superstar Freshman. “Hungry Cal” understood that. Not sure “Fat and Satisfied Cal” does.

 

[cats#1again]

One of you told me Wallace couldn’t shoot after his first game. Genius.

Saying he's a great shooter on 15 shots is pretty genius. He's 8-15
Wheeler is 4-13

One is awful to you and one is great lol

 

[cats#1again]

I said some of these things the other day and got blasted lol. I agree with all of these points.

The main hard truth to all of that..... You guys are stuck in 1999

 

[Jamal Mercer]

The main hard truth to all of that..... You guys are stuck in 1999

No idea what this means. But I did like ‘99. Pretty good year for UK and a good year for me personally.

 

[OmahaCats]

Collins/UGO should never play this year. Collins has to gain 20lbs before I’d ever let him see the floor again and Ugo is just a raw freshman w tons of upside.

Ware can come in on energy spurts to sub Oscar.

But the chunk of minutes should be Wallace/CJ/Reeves/Toppin/O/Wheeler/Livingston/Thiero….Ware only spotting Oscar the rest of those names that are pretty interchangeable as long as one of the PGs are on the floor and can occasionally have both together.

Not only is Collins skinny, he’s just not a basketball player. He can’t dribble, had zero awareness, and yes he’s skinny and not aggressive. He’s just not good.
I also feel like Livingston was way overrated. I know it’s early, but his skill level is tough as well. I guess he’s capable of hitting shots against no name teams. But so far he can’t even hit the rim on his shots against Mich st and Gonzaga

 

[DelkBowl]

Saying he's a great shooter on 15 shots is pretty genius. He's 8-15
Wheeler is 4-13

One is awful to you and one is great lol

Stats don’t lie unless you can’t see it. Bahamas count as data points also.

 

[cats#1again]

Stats don’t lie unless you can’t see it. Bahamas count as data points also.

I agree in part. Wallace is a really good combo guard, he's just not the better pg of the 2. Wheeler has 33 assists in four games with a 6 to 1 ratio

 

[DelkBowl]

I agree in part. Wallace is a really good combo guard, he's just not the better pg of the 2. Wheeler has 33 assists in four games with a 6 to 1 ratio

The whole conversation was about shooting the three

 

[megablue]

I keep replaying portions of the MSU and Gonzaga games looking for evidence that Fredrick doesn't play defense, and I can't find it. Not that he hasn't made a mistake here or there, or gotten blown by a few times, but I've seen everybody make many mistakes and get blown by. I also watch and I see nobody on the team that plays better *team* defense than Fredrick.

Everybody loves Wallace's defense, but it's all individual defense. His team defense is mediocre at best. Here's an example:



Watch how Wallace leaves his man wide open under the basket. He's trying to help out on Timme, but loses track of where his man is. He's in a terrible position - kind of playing a one-man zone in the paint while Timme is 17 feet from the basket with Toppin on him.

People around here probably think that was CJ's man who missed the easy reverse layup because he was forced to leave his man that was on the 3-pt line to go pick up Wallace's unguarded man. Then CJ's man gets the follow-up dunk.

Here's another example:



Wallace is way too far off his man to help down low, and gives up a wide open 3. Again CJ is forced to leave his man to help but can't get there in time. Everybody probably thinks this is CJ's fault too. Wallace never should have been that low.

Here's another sequence where Wallace leaves his man (#0) wide open for a 3 because his weak side help was way too far off his man (not to mention it wasn't really needed because the guy who drove already had 3 UK players surrounding him) .



How about this play, where Wallace goes under the screen and give up the three:



In fairness, Fredrick made the same mistake early in the game.

I could easily post a dozen more similar screwups by Wallace and others (including Oscar). Singling out Fredrick as being a bad defender while ignoring the bad defense played by everyone else is absurd.

I agree with you. He is a very good player, but Wallace gambles too often, just like Hagans did.

 

[megablue]

I agree in part. Wallace is a really good combo guard, he's just not the better pg of the 2. Wheeler has 33 assists in four games with a 6 to 1 ratio

Wheeler went 5/1 tonight. 5 pts in 23 mins
Wallace went 6/0 tonight 8 pts in 25 mins
They both played decent, not exceptional, at the point. They can both play much better.

 

[jjsomer]

Wallace’s ceiling is soooo much higher than Wheeler’s it isn’t even funny. So you have a guy that has All-American/Lottery pick potential and you play him off the ball even though it’s clear he is better with the ball, so you can play an All-SEC guy that can only play at PG? That is the safe play, but not necessarily the winning play in the end.

Remember the old Darius Miller vs. MKG debate? Sometimes it’s better to bench the Senior for the superstar Freshman. “Hungry Cal” understood that. Not sure “Fat and Satisfied Cal” does.

I don't think it's clear that Wallace > Wheeler. Tho I will agree that Wallace ceiling is higher. I certainly can get down with Wallace running point against NF and Bellarmine. He would not be my starting point guard because I think Wheeler is better right now. I think you agree with me there.

 

[cats#1again]

He can't take a team to a final four. He CANNOT do it. PERIOD. Wallace is our only chance to get to the final four if he keeps developing at the high pace that he is. So we're gonna take Wheeler out of the game the last five minutes of every tournament game? Laughable! He's had an entire career to become a good decision maker down the stretch and he can't do it. An entire career.

The problem isn't wheeler and his decision making... The problem is the offense that's being forced on him to run. It looks like he's the issue because he's forced to do something terrible because they can't get a shot off. A lot of standing around. Every pg we've had looks the exact same way minus fox or wall.