was LT good for anything?

FlabLoser

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The academic center is a big, big plus. Focus on academics was actually pretty good throughout. I recall leading or being near the top of the SEC for years in GPA. Athletes lead the student population in graduation percentage.

Rick Cleveland credits LT with various expansions and technically that's all accurate. But as much as things expanded, I still think he underachieved.

OK, almost lost focus myself there. What was LT good at....academics, staying in the black. Nothing else comes to mind.
 

FlabLoser

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The academic center is a big, big plus. Focus on academics was actually pretty good throughout. I recall leading or being near the top of the SEC for years in GPA. Athletes lead the student population in graduation percentage.

Rick Cleveland credits LT with various expansions and technically that's all accurate. But as much as things expanded, I still think he underachieved.

OK, almost lost focus myself there. What was LT good at....academics, staying in the black. Nothing else comes to mind.
 

slickdawg

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based upon his accomplishments versus his goals.

He aimed low at head coaches, and he was successful at that

He aimed low on facilities and upgrades, and he was successful on that too (It's DAVIS WADE stadium fora reason)

He had no expectations of our head coaches, so he hit a grand slam there
 

birdZdawg

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what you already mentioned, I would add that he seemed to be somewhat respected among his peers. Head of the NCAA baseball committee, and I think he served as president of the SEC AD's for a little while, but I could be wrong about that. </p>
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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Fogelsong may have run LT off, but I think LT did a good job of naming Greg Byrne as his successor. I'm thinking that LT knew what his limitations were, and he hired a guy who could do things he knew he was incapable of doing, ie, using the internet to you advantage, good PR man, doing little things that help Miss. State compete with the Alabamas, Tennessees, LSU's, Georgia's, etc. of the conference.
 

ckDOG

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Well - 96 Final Four (+ other bball championships), 98 SEC Campionship Game in football, and a long list of baseball success was all under his administration. I'd like to say all this happened despite his general shittiness. But, I guess you have to give some credit to the guy and admit he wasn't a total train wreck for a good portion of his tenure.

Maybe if he had somewhat of a amicable personality, he wouldn't have gotten so much crap at MSU. But, the guy never showed any emotion or dedication to bettering our program. It might have been there on the inside - but it sure didn't show to the general public - especially towards the end. He deserves the criticisms that he received.

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ckDOG

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You are right, he may never get us back there. But, he sure as hell is trying his damnedest to get us there again. He's not content with the status quo. Something (many) MSU fans have desperately been wanting to see in their AD for many years now. Hence, all the man love he gets.
 

vandaldawg

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I think if you ask the question: "Under what Athlectic Director did Mississippi State enjoy it's most on field/court success, facility expansion and financial success, and athlete academic success?" That answer is Templeton. Now, that may be a matter of length of tenure, or, it may turn out that he did quite a lot of good during his time.
 

St8dawg

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Didn't LT give Crooms a contract extension in 05' for two consecutive 3-8 seasons? Quality decision making.</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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He hired Sherrill against his own judgement at the behest of Zacharias, so the story goes. Supposedly, we would've had Bobby Wallace if LT had gotten his way on that.

He hired Richard Williams because nobody else would take the job. He was a farking junior high math teacher in Natchez just a few years earlier before becoming an assistant to Boyd. We just lucked up that he actually had a clue. Then when Tricky Dick was diddling the pom girl, he hired Stansbury without conducting a search of any kind. Again, we lucked up that he had a clue as well.

And he inherited Polk.

So, yes, our athletic successes came in spite of LT.
 

GloryDawg

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">He is responsible for what goes on at the athletic department so he gets the credit for both the good and bad. Based on below his 20 years was the most successful 20 year span in MSU history. You can take it for what it is worth. Not that I am a LT fan but we did have some pretty good sports years while he was there, along with some bad ones as well.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">
Good:
Seven Bowl Games
One Final Four appearance
One Sec Football Championship Game
Stadium Upgrade
Practice Facility upgrade
Sky boxes at baseball stadium
Four College World series
Sixteen baseball NCAA appearances
Seven NCAA basketball appearances
Five NIT appearances
Two regular season basketball championship
Two SEC Basketball tournament championship

BAD
Hiring of Croom
Two Football probations
9 and 11 egg bowl record.
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Disclaimer: The numbers above could be off a little.
 

Bulldog Backer

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Larry Templeton was an excellent administrator, but lacked vision and leadership skills. He was a top down authoritarian administrator, with little use for any ideas but his own. In my many conversations with both people inside and outside of the Athletic Department, I heard over and over that nothing got done unless it was "Larry's idea." I also heard that from a department head in the College of Business at State.

Larry had a rigorous hierarchical organization chart with any ideas coming up the organization having to pass through several layers of filters, before they got to him. He installed "Yes men and women" all along the way to ensure that he dealt with very little change. There was virtually no teamwork. Most decisions were made by fiat by Larry. If someone had a good idea, it would die on Larry's desk, and several years later, would be surfaced again by Larry so as to be his idea.

Thus far, Greg Byrne has empowered the thinking and ideas of the Athletic Department. He got rid of a few of the "Yes people," but what he brought to the table in leadership and teamwork has made most of the people there realize they can think on their own and get credit for their ideas. I think there will still be a few people in the AD who will eventually be given the old heave ho, because they had their creativity stifled so long, they can't break out of the obedience cycle for which they had been programmed. I think that is a shame, because some of these people have given many years of loyal, obedient service, and never been asked to use their minds. Now that they are, some are having a problem breaking open that narrowed vision.
 

DerHntr

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LT had it wrong and I can't say that I have ever heard a more coherent way of describing how he had it wrong.

The hierarchical structure of the AD surely needed to be torn down a bit and it appears Greg has done so fairly well (assuming this a bit because I just don't believe that all of the new ideas have come solely from Greg). Shaking the dust off of their brains must have been tough.
 

topdawg.sixpack

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MSUCostanza said:
Then when Tricky Dick was diddling the pom girl, he hired Stansbury without conducting a search of any kind. Again, we lucked up that he had a clue as well.
So the story goes, is that LT wanted to hire either Shady Brady or Joe Dean, Jr.(cant remember which), but Rick endeared himself to several high profile boosters who went straight to Portera, who then forced LT to hire Rick. That is the reason for those two's infamous feud.

So, that drives your point even further, Costanza.
 

Dental Dawg

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GB is viewed by many as "Superman, the ninja or whatever." I feel that he has just done what he was hired to do. I feel that he has done a good job and put forth his best effort. But isn't that what we're suppose to do. LT was a lazy piece of ****. He would take the easy way out more times than not. Because of LT, GB looks like a "Rock Star".
 

Todd4State

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Heck, his attitude is a big reason why we have the people that want to win, and the dumbasses who are "Oh, well. We're Mississippi State. Don't say anything bad about the boys, you might hurt their feelings." people.

And to the guy who listed the bad things that LT did:

Lest we forget Polk II. The man single handedly allowed Polk to ruin his image at MSU and run the baseball program into the ground- something that I didn't think was possible. If we had hired Manieri, we would still be one of the top programs in the country and if Manieri had bolted for LSU, we would have brought in Cohen at that point. Instead we get "Coach Polk knows more about baseball than anyone has forgotten, and then Coach Polk knows that Coach Raffo is best for our baseball program."

Whatever happens with Mullen, and I do want him to succeed, I am thankful that Byrne brought in Cohen and is going to fix our baseball program.
 

Dental Dawg

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This two should have some dignity and just keep their mouths shut. I lost all respect for both of them when they resigned (AKA they were asked to quit) and blasted MSU. It is better to be presumed stupid and keep quiet than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.</p>
 

SWFLDawg

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but it could be argued that with the 2007 baseball team getting to the CWS, the 2007 football team winning a bowl game and the 2007-08 Basketball team getting to the dance and almost knocking off the natl runner up, there was a 12 month period where we most overachieving athletic department in the nation.
 

McMeat

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2 SEC Championships in golf. Those never would have been accomplished without LT...........
 

slickdawg

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MSUCostanza said:
He hired Sherrill against his own judgement at the behest of Zacharias, so the story goes. Supposedly, we would've had Bobby Wallace if LT had gotten his way on that.

He hired Richard Williams because nobody else would take the job. He was a farking junior high math teacher in Natchez just a few years earlier before becoming an assistant to Boyd. We just lucked up that he actually had a clue. Then when Tricky Dick was diddling the pom girl, he hired Stansbury without conducting a search of any kind. Again, we lucked up that he had a clue as well.

And he inherited Polk.

So, yes, our athletic successes came in spite of LT.
Don't forget, HE BROGHT POLK BACK, nobody else was an option.