Watched the Cowboys game this morning (recorded)

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Dak was really on in the game last night.

Would be do much better with Dak at QB and the same OL we have this year?
 

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He’s throwing the football so beautifully. it’s out quick and on target. Those two big receivers help, but tbh I didn’t think he had this level of play in him. It’s very elite
 
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I’d like to buy in that their D was actually improved but it was the Raidas.

Quinnen Williams looked good though and he and Clark together could be pretty good disrupters.

They have a murderer’s row coming up in the next 5 games. You would think 4 of them being at home would be a good thing but past performances against the likes of the Saints and Cardinals tells you that they have completely lost their home field advantage these last 2 seasons.
 

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I’d like to buy in that their D was actually improved but it was the Raidas.

Quinnen Williams looked good though and he and Clark together could be pretty good disrupters.

They have a murderer’s row coming up in the next 5 games. You would think 4 of them being at home would be a good thing but past performances against the likes of the Saints and Cardinals tells you that they have completely lost their home field advantage these last 2 seasons.
Pass rush will help, but they can’t cover worth a shiz. I guess maybe they’re missing a few guys in the back half. Those two rbs have been really impressive to me
 

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What I really meant to ask (not praise the Cowboys for winning last night) but screwed up due to a typo, was:

If we had Dak with his current highly developed skills and experience, but still had our floundering OL, would we have won the Missouri game or any other game, even if we had excellent in-game coaching calls?

The "typo" was really autocorrect 😁
 

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The Cowboys are still terrible, but Dak is now #1 in the NFL in QBR. They’ve only got like a 6% chance of making the playoffs so he has really no shot at MVP, but he very well might get his first 1st team All-Pro selection, which would be a huge feather in his cap.
 

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The Cowboys are still terrible, but Dak is now #1 in the NFL in QBR. They’ve only got like a 6% chance of making the playoffs so he has really no shot at MVP, but he very well might get his first 1st team All-Pro selection, which would be a huge feather in his cap.
On the flip side what if they did somehow make it with Dak playing at this level? That's Dak’s pathway to a hands down MVP as narrow as that path may be.
 
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What I really meant to ask (not praise the Cowboys for winning last night) but screwed up due to a typo, was:

If we had Dak with his current highly developed skills and experience, but still had our floundering OL, would we have won the Missouri game or any other game, even if we had excellent in-game coaching calls?

The "typo" was really autocorrect 😁
Absolutely would’ve won Florida, Tennessee, Texas. At minimum, he could scramble better than Shapen. Doesn’t do a lot of that now but did a decent amount in college and probably still better.

If we’re winning those + have his leadership, we might also show up more than we did for Missouri. Probably still lose A&M and UGA but who knows. He’s a much better passer now than he was in college
 
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On the flip side what if they did somehow make it with Dak playing at this level? That's Dak’s pathway to a hands down MVP as narrow as that path may be.
Yeah….I could get on a soapbox about that. Kinda silly that he really might be the best player in the league, but not get credit for it due to how terrible everyone is on the complete opposite side of the ball. Its counterintuitive that a “most valuable player” has to be on a team with at least X number of other really good players across the board that collectively are capable of achieving Y level of success in order to qualify. Making that a criteria inherently makes said player less valuable in the grand scheme of things.

Regardless, a 1AP selection would be huge for his legacy. When looking at things like benchmarks for the HoF, a 1AP selection generally gets the same reverence as an MVP award for a QB. Since 1974, there has been only one QB to be named 1AP more than once who is not in the HoF (or guaranteed to be in it when they finish playing). That one player is Rich Gannon, who had a weird career where he played for like a million years and had a lot of years between his two selections. Drew Brees is considered one of the all time GOATs and is a surefire first ballot HoF selection….was only 1AP one time. Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and many others never did it. I hope Dak gets it.
 
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College Dak would make a huge difference. Problem we have right now is Shapen is not a mobile QB (regardless of how hard he tries to be) and KT’s passing is still raw. Having a true dual threat QB would make things easier for our OL because defenses would have to respect his ability scramble. Can’t sell out like they can against Shapen
 

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Yeah….I could get on a soapbox about that. Kinda silly that he really might be the best player in the league, but not get credit for it due to how terrible everyone is on the complete opposite side of the ball. Its counterintuitive that a “most valuable player” has to be on a team with at least X number of other really good players across the board that collectively are capable of achieving Y level of success in order to qualify. Making that a criteria inherently makes said player less valuable in the grand scheme of things.

Regardless, a 1AP selection would be huge for his legacy. When looking at things like benchmarks for the HoF, a 1AP selection generally gets the same reverence as an MVP award for a QB. Since 1974, there has been only one QB to be named 1AP more than once who is not in the HoF (or guaranteed to be in it when they finish playing). That one player is Rich Gannon, who had a weird career where he played for like a million years and had a lot of years between his two selections. Drew Brees is considered one of the all time GOATs and is a surefire first ballot HoF selection….was only 1AP one time. Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and many others never did it. I hope Dak gets it.
Really good points about an individual award having so much dependence on team achievement.

Dak is 45-19-1 at home overall.
Dak is 40-15 against teams with losing records.
Dak is 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record. That's the elephant in the room which rears its ugly head in the playoffs because you face nothing but teams with winning records.

Sunday could push him to .500 and maybe be the start of something special.....I just can't help myself just a tortured brainwashed Cowboys diehard suffering from perpetual Stockholm syndrome ****
 

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Dak is 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record. That's the elephant in the room which rears its ugly head in the playoffs because you face nothing but teams with winning records.

Sunday could push him to .500 and maybe be the start of something special.....I just can't help myself just a tortured brainwashed Cowboys diehard suffering from perpetual Stockholm syndrome ****
Lol….that’s another soapbox topic.

Is Dak 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record, or are the Dallas Cowboys 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record with Dak as a starting QB?

Looking at other really good QB’s who are maybe not yet HoF worthy that have tenure….Goff, Stafford, Hurts, etc….what are their records against teams with winning records? Talking about pretty much everyone except Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and maybe Josh Allen as well.

Isn’t 24-25-1 against teams with winning records still a hell of a lot better winning percentage than all other teams’ combined records against those same teams? I don’t have a math PhD….but I think if you add up the records of 50 teams that you know are all over .500, you’re gonna get a combined number of games over .500 that is a 17ton bigger than 1.
 

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Lol….that’s another soapbox topic.

Is Dak 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record, or are the Dallas Cowboys 24-25-1 against teams with a winning record with Dak as a starting QB?

Looking at other really good QB’s who are maybe not yet HoF worthy that have tenure….Goff, Stafford, Hurts, etc….what are their records against teams with winning records? Talking about pretty much everyone except Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and maybe Josh Allen as well.

Isn’t 24-25-1 against teams with winning records still a hell of a lot better winning percentage than all other teams’ combined records against those same teams? I don’t have a math PhD….but I think if you add up the records of 50 teams that you know are all over .500, you’re gonna get a combined number of games over .500 that is a 17ton bigger than 1.
I agree W/L is also a team driven result but like it or not the QB gets most of the credit or the criticism as well as the salary cap.

I don't have Dak's stats for those categories but I do know his stats in the playoffs are not up to his normal standard and I'd argue he sometimes looks like a completely different QB. He still has time to change the narrative and hopefully it starts Sunday at 3p.