Watching the Gator Bowl

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I remember I don’t know how many Jan 1’s sitting in the Sun, wind, rain, etc for noon kickoffs and the games were mostly packed. They have the Gator now as a night game and Tennessee & to a lesser extent Indiana didn’t sell it out. It’s shocking how that bowl game has fallen off.
 
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No Butch Jones and his knucklehead behavior and sayings cause Butch Jones his job.

“Champions for Life” was popular with AL, FL, & GA fans.
“We always do what the card says” after blowing a 13 pt lead at Florida when Tennessee didn’t go for 2 to make it 14.
Oh and losing to Vandy multiple years didn’t help.

Butch showed at Tennessee that Sgt Carter is not a P5 Head Coach
 
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Gator Bowl was never truthfully considered a marquee bowl game.

The bowl ties in the ACC had the Citrus Bowl and Gator Bowl were often played with big name teams that had a "down year" .
 
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Gator Bowl did much better when WVU played in it.

WVU Gator Bowl attendance

1969 vs. Clemson 82,911

2003 vs. Maryland 78,892

2004 vs. Florida State 70,112

2006 vs. Georgia Tech 67,704


In recent years:

43,102

41,310

38,206

55,000 or more with Indiana and Tennessee
 

WVUALLEN

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Gator Bowl did much better when WVU played in it.

WVU Gator Bowl attendance

1969 vs. Clemson 82,911

2003 vs. Maryland 78,892

2004 vs. Florida State 70,112

2006 vs. Georgia Tech 67,704


In recent years:

43,102

41,310

38,206

55,000 or more with Indiana and Tennessee

1982 FSU 31 WVU 12 / 80,913
1989 Clemson 27 WVU 7 / 82,911
1997 UNC 20 WVU 13 / 52,103
2004 Maryland 41 WVU 7 / 78,891
2005 FSU 30 WVU 18 / 70,112
2007 WVU 38 Ga.Tech 35 / 67,714
2010 FSU 33 WVU 21 / 84,129
 

deedoubleyou

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The only way to "save" Bowl season and make it more exciting again is to go back to a smaller pool of games. When they expanded and decided to start letting .500 teams play and made up all these lame *** bowls, it started going down hill.

Oh yeah and its not the Gator Bowl. Its the Taxplayerslayer Gator Bowl. Please get it right. No reason to make believe its something that its not. Its not for the fans, or the players or the schools. Its for the sponsors, the networks and the NCAA.

In the late 80s there were 18 or 19 bowl games compared to 40 or so now. Not too mention when they decided to put the sponsors name first, which is a huge turn off to any fan, it took some of the intrinsic value from the games. Are the commercials not enough so now we have to put their names before the actual bowl game? Yeah thats lame, and always will be lame.

I would love to see a real fan revolt and people just turn it off. Thats just me tho.
 
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MarkinPhila

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I remember I don’t know how many Jan 1’s sitting in the Sun, wind, rain, etc for noon kickoffs and the games were mostly packed. They have the Gator now as a night game and Tennessee & to a lesser extent Indiana didn’t sell it out. It’s shocking how that bowl game has fallen off.

It's all about the playoffs, nothing else matters and this being a weekday night game after the holidays. This is a combination that kills attendance. I love college football and watch as many of the games I can but I think that's the exception anymore.
 

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I remember I don’t know how many Jan 1’s sitting in the Sun, wind, rain, etc for noon kickoffs and the games were mostly packed. They have the Gator now as a night game and Tennessee & to a lesser extent Indiana didn’t sell it out. It’s shocking how that bowl game has fallen off.


There should be a 16 team playoff with a number of play-in games in a regional format with Bowls being tied in to the games. D1AA has like 20 something teams in their Natty tournament. Say 2 or 3 teams from each P5. And another 2-4 teams that qualify by winning their pee wee conference. Then maybe a few at large. Throw a few byes around. Have regional games early at the lame bowls. Michigan can beat up someone in the Motor City Bowl and Florida can beat someone up in the Gator Bowl. Penn St can whack someone in the Pinstripe Bowl and USC can get beat in the Holiday Bowl. LSU can whack someone in the Independence Bowl and Texas can get beat in the Sun Bowl. Clemson can whack someone in the Belk Bowl and Georgia can beat someone in the Peach Bowl. That’s just off the top of my head sitting in my car. No one cares, goes to or watches these games.
 

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Uh man...the value of my old Gator Bowl t-shirts are plummeting!

Quit rubbing it in!

ive got more of those shirts and the ridiculous patch than anybody should have. I think I went to 5. Let’s see vs Clemson, FSUx2, unc, Maryland, and the victory against GA Tech. Actually that’s 6. It’s the only bowl I’ve ever been to that I was In An auto accident on the way to the game. Got rear ended going across the jacksonville bridge. My neck hurt like hell by the 2nd qtr and when we missed 2 extra pats it hurt worse vs FSU.

I think what has killed bowl games and attendance more than anything else is ticket prices that are insane. It is not worth it and fans have figured it out. The economic impact used to be phenomenal for a city but not anymore cause the market is over saturated with 6-6 meaning a bowl game. It used to take About 9 wins or more to get to the Gator. Now 7 wins and the school is in.
 

deedoubleyou

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Maybe the older Gator Bowl teeshirts will increase in value because they remind people of the better days of Bowl Games... That'd be pretty cool if they did lol.

I love college football and I really hope we start seeing a trend back to the way things were when they were at the best.
 

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The only way to "save" Bowl season and make it more exciting again is to go back to a smaller pool of games. When they expanded and decided to start letting .500 teams play and made up all these lame *** bowls, it started going down hill.

Oh yeah and its not the Gator Bowl. Its the Taxplayerslayer Gator Bowl. Please get it right. No reason to make believe its something that its not. Its not for the fans, or the players or the schools. Its for the sponsors, the networks and the NCAA.

In the late 80s there were 18 or 19 bowl games compared to 40 or so now. Not too mention when they decided to put the sponsors name first, which is a huge turn off to any fan, it took some of the intrinsic value from the games. Are the commercials not enough so now we have to put their names before the actual bowl game? Yeah thats lame, and always will be lame.

I would love to see a real fan revolt and people just turn it off. Thats just me tho.

The sponsor creep is interesting, as well as annoying, to watch. More and more stuff is sponsored. It won't be long until it's "Johnson is tackled at the Home Deport 35 yards line for a Hot Pockets first down." It doesn't feel as creepy as it is because it happens incrementally but if you watch a game from 30 years ago then watch a game from now, it's creepy.

Ever see the movie "Office Space?" Remember when Jennifer Anison worked in the restaurant and they gave her grief because she didn't wear enough pieces of flair? That's what uniforms are becoming like now. Look at the jersey near the top front. There is the school logo. And the conference logo. And this year their is the "150th college football season" logo. And there is the Nike logo. And in bowl games there is the bowl logo. And on and on. It won't be long until Coke is paying schools to wear the Coke logo, or whatever. The uniforms will become like what they wear in NASCAR.

Mountaineer Field is no longer Mountaineer Field. They ought to at least put a limit on how long it gets renamed after a rich guy that gives a lot of money. Is it going to be Milan Puskar Stadium forever and ever? If so, that's a pretty good deal. $20 million, or whatever he gave, sounds like a lot of money but if it gets the stadium named after him forever then it's not really much per year. The money is long since spent. And we no longer can say WVU plays at Mountaineer Field.

I don't think it's worth it but OTOH, if we're competing with other schools that will do it then we'll bring in less money and be at a disadvantage. Is there no overarching authority that can forbid everyone from doing it and thus making it a moot point? I don't know.
 

deedoubleyou

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The sponsor creep is interesting, as well as annoying, to watch. More and more stuff is sponsored. It won't be long until it's "Johnson is tackled at the Home Deport 35 yards line for a Hot Pockets first down." It doesn't feel as creepy as it is because it happens incrementally but if you watch a game from 30 years ago then watch a game from now, it's creepy.

Ever see the movie "Office Space?" Remember when Jennifer Anison worked in the restaurant and they gave her grief because she didn't wear enough pieces of flair? That's what uniforms are becoming like now. Look at the jersey near the top front. There is the school logo. And the conference logo. And this year their is the "150th college football season" logo. And there is the Nike logo. And in bowl games there is the bowl logo. And on and on. It won't be long until Coke is paying schools to wear the Coke logo, or whatever. The uniforms will become like what they wear in NASCAR.

Mountaineer Field is no longer Mountaineer Field. They ought to at least put a limit on how long it gets renamed after a rich guy that gives a lot of money. Is it going to be Milan Puskar Stadium forever and ever? If so, that's a pretty good deal. $20 million, or whatever he gave, sounds like a lot of money but if it gets the stadium named after him forever then it's not really much per year. The money is long since spent. And we no longer can say WVU plays at Mountaineer Field.

I don't think it's worth it but OTOH, if we're competing with other schools that will do it then we'll bring in less money and be at a disadvantage. Is there no overarching authority that can forbid everyone from doing it and thus making it a moot point? I don't know.

Excellent post!!
 

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Quit rubbing it in!

ive got more of those shirts and the ridiculous patch than anybody should have. I think I went to 5. Let’s see vs Clemson, FSUx2, unc, Maryland, and the victory against GA Tech. Actually that’s 6. It’s the only bowl I’ve ever been to that I was In An auto accident on the way to the game. Got rear ended going across the jacksonville bridge. My neck hurt like hell by the 2nd qtr and when we missed 2 extra pats it hurt worse vs FSU.

I think what has killed bowl games and attendance more than anything else is ticket prices that are insane. It is not worth it and fans have figured it out. The economic impact used to be phenomenal for a city but not anymore cause the market is over saturated with 6-6 meaning a bowl game. It used to take About 9 wins or more to get to the Gator. Now 7 wins and the school is in.

I dumped two boxes of that crap recently.

What's left of it is covered in paint and grass stains.
 

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Maybe the older Gator Bowl teeshirts will increase in value because they remind people of the better days of Bowl Games... That'd be pretty cool if they did lol.

I love college football and I really hope we start seeing a trend back to the way things were when they were at the best.

Maybe everyone will throw them out and they will become like 1950's baseball cards.

A Rutgers Bowl Game t-shirt will be like a Mantle rookie card.
 
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Expanding the playoffs doesn't get anyone closer to the NC.

4 is perfect for now.

The other bowl games give you the ability to practice for 2 weeks and see who can develop.

If you aren't using the bowl games correctly you aren't ever getting close to the CFP.

That is how I see it. I hear everyone calling for an expanded playoffs but that doesn't help anyone and it kills regular season football.

You shift the focus to the playoffs but you spilt that money with other conferences.
 
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The only way to "save" Bowl season and make it more exciting again is to go back to a smaller pool of games. When they expanded and decided to start letting .500 teams play and made up all these lame *** bowls, it started going down hill.

Oh yeah and its not the Gator Bowl. Its the Taxplayerslayer Gator Bowl. Please get it right. No reason to make believe its something that its not. Its not for the fans, or the players or the schools. Its for the sponsors, the networks and the NCAA.

In the late 80s there were 18 or 19 bowl games compared to 40 or so now. Not too mention when they decided to put the sponsors name first, which is a huge turn off to any fan, it took some of the intrinsic value from the games. Are the commercials not enough so now we have to put their names before the actual bowl game? Yeah thats lame, and always will be lame.

I would love to see a real fan revolt and people just turn it off. Thats just me tho.


I think we are seeing a fan revolt in progress. Attendance to the games is down and trending down every successive year. TV viewership is down and also trending down each year. Some years viewership flat lines, but regardless, we do not see it every raise.

There are 41 bowls at this time, meaning 82 teams go bowling. technically, only 80 teams go bowling because 2 of them get to play in 2 bowls. There are 66 P5 teams, 6 Indy and 60 G5 teams for a total of 132. So 80 of 132 end up in post season play. Mathematically, from #65 on you have to be using 500 teams of which there are at least 15 but it can be more.

Even the NCAA March Madness field only has 68 teams getting in.

We should probably have no more than 24 bowls have and only half of those would be worth anything.
 
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The best solution would be a 16-team national playoff. It would be as popular as March Madness. And ratings, from #16 to #1, would be meaningless because it would be settled on the field, just as March Madness is settled on the court. But we have a ton of bowls so that coaches get an extra month to work with next season's players. The bowls are meaningless to many fans, but the players and coaches and, to a lesser and lesser degree every year, TV benefit.
 

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Expanding the playoffs doesn't get anyone closer to the NC.

4 is perfect for now.

The other bowl games give you the ability to practice for 2 weeks and see who can develop.

If you aren't using the bowl games correctly you aren't ever getting close to the CFP.

That is how I see it. I hear everyone calling for an expanded playoffs but that doesn't help anyone and it kills regular season football.

You shift the focus to the playoffs but you spilt that money with other conferences.


Sir every level of football has an extended playoff except for D1. My 20 second idea in my car was to use the existing sites for early playoff games because no one goes to these Bowls or watch these games. How many people would show up to watch Bama play Michigan in week two at Michigan? 108,000. How many people would show up to watch those two at Bama? 96,000. Well they couldn’t get 60,000 at the Citrus Bowl.

The Bowls weren’t created for a couple weeks of practice. They were set up as a reward for winning 8 or 9 games. There were 7-4 teams being left out of Bowl games back in the day.

The NCAA and Bowl Committees are scumbags stealing more money than anyone can count. Both are ridiculously corrupt. Not very long ago we had a mythical National Champion because these scum Committee members were allowed to run the post season. F all of them.
 

Pitt4Life34

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Gator Bowl did much better when WVU played in it.

WVU Gator Bowl attendance

1969 vs. Clemson 82,911

2003 vs. Maryland 78,892

2004 vs. Florida State 70,112

2006 vs. Georgia Tech 67,704


In recent years:

43,102

41,310

38,206

55,000 or more with Indiana and Tennessee


Pretty obvious the downward trend started in 1969.
 
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Every bowl game has a different value so ultimately there is a structure in bowl games.

Regarding the playoffs.

Bad mentality. Fanbases want to get into the playoffs because they see that as the goal but expanding it just waters it down.
 
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You are talking about two different sports.

Plus the NCAA actually controls college basketball and they are getting the money

Not with football.
It is a separate entity and the money goes to the conferences and schools.

So because of TV rights they don't want to cut into their profits.
 

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Sir every level of football has an extended playoff except for D1. My 20 second idea in my car was to use the existing sites for early playoff games because no one goes to these Bowls or watch these games. How many people would show up to watch Bama play Michigan in week two at Michigan? 108,000. How many people would show up to watch those two at Bama? 96,000. Well they couldn’t get 60,000 at the Citrus Bowl.

The Bowls weren’t created for a couple weeks of practice. They were set up as a reward for winning 8 or 9 games. There were 7-4 teams being left out of Bowl games back in the day.

The NCAA and Bowl Committees are scumbags stealing more money than anyone can count. Both are ridiculously corrupt. Not very long ago we had a mythical National Champion because these scum Committee members were allowed to run the post season. F all of them.

Holy crap...did you just make a good post?

Yeah I think you did.
 

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Quit rubbing it in!

ive got more of those shirts and the ridiculous patch than anybody should have. I think I went to 5. Let’s see vs Clemson, FSUx2, unc, Maryland, and the victory against GA Tech. Actually that’s 6. It’s the only bowl I’ve ever been to that I was In An auto accident on the way to the game. Got rear ended going across the jacksonville bridge. My neck hurt like hell by the 2nd qtr and when we missed 2 extra pats it hurt worse vs FSU.

I think what has killed bowl games and attendance more than anything else is ticket prices that are insane. It is not worth it and fans have figured it out. The economic impact used to be phenomenal for a city but not anymore cause the market is over saturated with 6-6 meaning a bowl game. It used to take About 9 wins or more to get to the Gator. Now 7 wins and the school is in.
Absolutely correct about the economic impact. That's the only reason there so many bowls--city, county and state governments want all that hotel, dinner and gasoline tax money coming in annually.
 

Pitt4Life34

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Every bowl game has a different value so ultimately there is a structure in bowl games.

Regarding the playoffs.

Bad mentality. Fanbases want to get into the playoffs because they see that as the goal but expanding it just waters it down.


Well that is one opinion sir and I’ve got the other one that most want to see. Most surveys have shown that March Madness is the right ticket and that playoffs in sports get the most attention and ratings. But having different opinions is what’s so great about sites like these. Well done sir.
 

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Every bowl game has a different value so ultimately there is a structure in bowl games.

Regarding the playoffs.

Bad mentality. Fanbases want to get into the playoffs because they see that as the goal but expanding it just waters it down.

That's silly.

You have minimum of 5 conferences. You cant have it watered down if they arent all represented.

Stop making in subjective. Just take conference champs. No one else struggles with this.
 
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Well that is one opinion sir and I’ve got the other one that most want to see. Most surveys have shown that March Madness is the right ticket and that playoffs in sports get the most attention and ratings. But having different opinions is what’s so great about sites like these. Well done sir.

That is why FBS teams don't win NCAA Football Championships unlike all other sports