NCAA Seeds
Luke 2
BD 8
Beau 1 or 2 ( hardy 1 or 4)
Van Ness 3
Kasak 1
Mitch 1
Levi 2
Carter
Barr pure guess 9
KERKO 2
Luke 2
BD 8
Beau 1 or 2 ( hardy 1 or 4)
Van Ness 3
Kasak 1
Mitch 1
Levi 2
Carter
Barr pure guess 9
KERKO 2
Way too Early NCAA Seed Predictions
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Hard to predict without final coaches ranking and rpi.
125 Who will be a head of Lilledahl? Won toughest conference has head to head win over Ramos. I think Ramos is the only wrestler with 1 loss.
133 no clue
141 Bartlett has highest win percentage. Split head to head with hardy. Bartlett hurt by conference placement
149 looks about right. Henson and Lovett 1, 2
157 easy
165 easy
174 easy
184 easy
197 no clue
285 Gable, Stevenson and kerk. Pretty straight forward. Stevenson win percentage and better conference placement
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Ventresca has 3 loses
Luke has 2
thinking more about it
I would do
Luke 1
Ventresca 2
and Kerk 3 not 2
Luke has 2
thinking more about it
I would do
Luke 1
Ventresca 2
and Kerk 3 not 2
All I know is that 141lbs is a total mess and it will be interesting to see how they seed that weight. 125lbs comes in at second as far as difficulty to seed.
Nomad has tweeted his analysis of 141 (to the extent that X has been functioning today). Due to the problems that X is encountering, I can't post tweets at this time. However, he has 141 at NCAAs as:
1. Beau
2. Happel
3. Hardy
4. Mendez
5. Koderhandt
6. Vombaur
7. Jamison
etc. (I can't see beyond that)
1. Beau
2. Happel
3. Hardy
4. Mendez
5. Koderhandt
6. Vombaur
7. Jamison
etc. (I can't see beyond that)
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1 loss defending champ from 2 years ago. Yikes. That would be a hell of a quarterfinal match.
Trying to figure that out.
Bartlett won head to head, better win percentage and coaches ranking?
Damn, I could have sworn I saw Ramos lose on Saturday. But maybe I'm misinterpreting, as Lilledahl has 2 Ls on the season (Peterson & McCrone).
How accurate are these? From what I understand there is some discretion when guys are seeded next to each other. For example if the computer has one guy seeded 1st and another guy seeded 2nd, and the second seeded guy beat the first seeded guy.
If I understand correctly, Nomad is analyzing the final Coaches Rankings, the RPI, and putting out what he believes, based on the seeding criteria, will be the official seedings that are announced on Wednesday evening.
I haven't seen anything. Unless he's left out of the bracket tonight (highly doubtful), I doubt we know anything until middle of next week.
I put together my predictions for tonight (albeit with some middling):
www.on3.com
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He will definitely be seeded tonight. Cael's next news conference is set for next Monday. However, unless there is a zero percent chance Barr can wrestle (which I do not believe to be the case), I would expect the update to be vague but positive. The only thing worse than a hurt wrestler going into nationals is a hurt wrestler whose opponents know both how much he's hurt and what it is that's hurting.
Kerk will not be #2. He'll be behind Steven and Hendrickson, at a minimum.I put together my predictions for tonight (albeit with some middling):
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And saying that SVN, Barr, and Davis could be just about anywhere in the top 10 seeds is silly. SVN should be either the #3 (likely) or #4 seed.
Barr is unlikely to be better than #6. The best Davis could do is #5, but #6 may be more likely.
Afternoon, Bruce. As always, appreciate the feedback!
I do think Kerk will be No. 2, but Hendrickson absolutely could be. Some may even suggest he absolutely will be, but without knowing the formula used and how much it weighs the final coach rankings vs. other things, I should have included it on the first go-around and have updated the wording accordingly.
On the second paragraph, yes, I certainly could have worded the top 10 part better, so updated that. However, we are in the same ballpark in terms of the range of possibilities for those three, if I'm reading your post correctly.
Yeah, my being left out part was purely because they already know he's out. If there's a 0.00001% chance he can go, he'll be in it.
We know the formula:
Head to head 25
Quality wins 20
Conference tournament placement 15
win% 10
common opponent 10
Coaches rank 10
RPI 10
There's a little wiggle room allowed. Hendrickson will be ahead of Steveson because Steveson doesn't have an RPI. I highly suspect they will still put Gable at 1 (and they should). Trephan also comes out ahead of Kerk which would make Kerk #4. I suspect, if they aren't idiots, that they'll make sure Gable and Kerk are on opposite sides of the bracket so if they leave Gable at 2, Kerk will be 4 and if they put Gable 1, Kerk will be 2 or 3.
Wyatt won't be a head of Stevenson.
Head thrown out
Gable quality wins (i would assume)
Conference placement thrown out
Winning percentage thrown out
Common opponents thrown out
Gable ranking
Wyatt rpi
hmmm. I don't remember where I saw it, but yeah, this seems right. QW is 7-6 for Gable so close...
Either way, Kerk could be 4, but I hope the committee knows better.
Some of the coaches rankings are a joke. 125 for example. Lilledahl's winning the big 10 was enough to move him to #2 but not enough to pass the guy he beat along the way??
141 the opposite happened, hardy moved all the way to #1 without beating the guy who was #1and previously beat him this year.
I always like intel, but I also understand and agree with keeping injury info quiet for privacy and tactical subterfuge. As long as they make a good faith call in time to allow for Xavier Doolin to get to Philly in time if needed.
Quality Wins most likely goes to Hendrickson. He had 1 more overall, and several more in the 2nd tier. (Steveson had obviously the best win in Kerk.) That gives the 1 to Hendrickson.
Kerk gets the 4 behind unbeaten conference champ Trephan.
That's the math. Committee could overrule it, and should -- but if they make Steveson the 1, then they should also make Kerk the 3. Overrule or not, either way, they should be on opposite sides of the bracket.
BTW, HWT exposed some flaws in the math here. No way Trephan is better than Kerk -- objectively speaking, he transferred to Lehigh during this season because he lost wrestleoffs to Trumble.
This is about Little Rock 174 Tyler Brennan, who was ineligible to compete this year but nobody caught it until after he won Pac-12s. This was his 5th year of competing, but he did not compete during the 2021 free year, so 2024 was his last. Brennan, his coaches, the school, Pac 12, and NCAA all missed it until now.
Also, Pac 12 only got 1 qualifier, and the runner-up was not named an at-large or alternate.
Presumably if he doesn't go, then his matches will need to be scrubbed from W-L, Quality Wins, and Common Opponents from everybody else in the field.
Luke Lilledahl gets the No. 1 seed at 125 pounds.
Davis is the No. 8 seed. First match:
No. 8 Braeden Davis, Penn State vs. No. 25 Kurt Phipps, Bucknell
No. 8 Braeden Davis, Penn State vs. No. 25 Kurt Phipps, Bucknell
Beau Bartlett is No. 2 at 141. Brock Hardy is No. 1. First match for Beau:
No. 2 Beau Bartlett, PSU vs. No. 31 Jordan Titus, West Virginia
No. 2 Beau Bartlett, PSU vs. No. 31 Jordan Titus, West Virginia