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El Diablo Blanco

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Southern Miss willing and able to take advantage of realignment</p>

The Golden Eagles appear to be in a much better position for
inclusion in a 12-team Big East than once believed. Southern Miss
Director of Athletics
Richard Giannini is in a key position to help the Eagle cause. He holds
a seat on the prestigious Division I FBS Football Committee.</p>

“We’re on top of the situation,” he said in an exclusive interview with BigGoldNation.com.</p>

And while Giannini wouldn’t comment directly on the possibility of
Southern Miss making the move to the Big East it’s clear that he
believes the Eagles would be an attractive candidate for any league
considering expansion.</p>

“Southern Miss athletics has a lot of positive aspects to be proud
of and we will continue to work hard and our goal has always been to
play on the highest level of the FBS in football and our other sports,” he said.</p>

Southern Miss is in the middle of an athletic enhancement plan that
has seen more than $67 million dollars invested into athletic
facilities since 2000, and there are more plans on the way. Projects
funded include - an expanded M.M. Roberts Stadium, major renovations to
Reed Green Coliseum, enhancements to Pete Taylor Park and newly
constructed softball and tennis facilities.</p>

“Over the past ten years Southern Miss has invested more private
dollars into facilities than any other program in Conference USA,”
Giannini said. “We’re going to make sure that Southern Miss will
compete with the best and that our facilities are equal to anyone in
Division I athletics.”</p>

Inclusion in a BCS automatic bid conference would be a huge windfall
for Southern Miss who has historically ran one of the most cost
efficient athletic departments in the country. Fewer than one quarter
of <nobr style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; color: darkgreen;" id="itxt_nobr_18_0">NCAA </nobr>
FBS programs operated in the black during the 2007-08 academic year.
The added revenue sharing from inclusion would nearly double the
Eagles’ athletic budget, and would help to level the playing field
in-state where the other major programs have long had inclusion.</p>

It is widely speculated that if the Big East were to move to a 12
team league that the divisions would be aligned into north and south
format. This could put the Eagles in a South division with programs
like - Louisville, South Florida and current C-USA rivals - East
Carolina, Memphis and UCF.</p>

If that were to happen Southern Miss would be able to retain long
standing rivalries with Memphis and East Carolina while re-igniting one
of the most heated rivalries in the program’s history - Louisville.</p>

The changes are likely to start a domino effect out west.</p>

“I think if the Big Ten makes a move, it will set off a series of
moves across the nation that will see leagues altered. The Pac-10
likely would add two teams to get to 12,” Dienhart said.</p>

At this point we can only speculate at how fast the changes will
come from the Big Ten, but regardless of when it happens, be it in the
next two weeks or two years, it’s apparent that Southern Miss is
working to insure that they are willing and able to take advantage of
any opportunity presented when these changes do come.</p>
 

El Diablo Blanco

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From the interwebs................................
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Southern Miss willing and able to take advantage of realignment</p>

The Golden Eagles appear to be in a much better position for
inclusion in a 12-team Big East than once believed. Southern Miss
Director of Athletics
Richard Giannini is in a key position to help the Eagle cause. He holds
a seat on the prestigious Division I FBS Football Committee.</p>

“We’re on top of the situation,” he said in an exclusive interview with BigGoldNation.com.</p>

And while Giannini wouldn’t comment directly on the possibility of
Southern Miss making the move to the Big East it’s clear that he
believes the Eagles would be an attractive candidate for any league
considering expansion.</p>

“Southern Miss athletics has a lot of positive aspects to be proud
of and we will continue to work hard and our goal has always been to
play on the highest level of the FBS in football and our other sports,” he said.</p>

Southern Miss is in the middle of an athletic enhancement plan that
has seen more than $67 million dollars invested into athletic
facilities since 2000, and there are more plans on the way. Projects
funded include - an expanded M.M. Roberts Stadium, major renovations to
Reed Green Coliseum, enhancements to Pete Taylor Park and newly
constructed softball and tennis facilities.</p>

“Over the past ten years Southern Miss has invested more private
dollars into facilities than any other program in Conference USA,”
Giannini said. “We’re going to make sure that Southern Miss will
compete with the best and that our facilities are equal to anyone in
Division I athletics.”</p>

Inclusion in a BCS automatic bid conference would be a huge windfall
for Southern Miss who has historically ran one of the most cost
efficient athletic departments in the country. Fewer than one quarter
of <nobr style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; color: darkgreen;" id="itxt_nobr_18_0">NCAA </nobr>
FBS programs operated in the black during the 2007-08 academic year.
The added revenue sharing from inclusion would nearly double the
Eagles’ athletic budget, and would help to level the playing field
in-state where the other major programs have long had inclusion.</p>

It is widely speculated that if the Big East were to move to a 12
team league that the divisions would be aligned into north and south
format. This could put the Eagles in a South division with programs
like - Louisville, South Florida and current C-USA rivals - East
Carolina, Memphis and UCF.</p>

If that were to happen Southern Miss would be able to retain long
standing rivalries with Memphis and East Carolina while re-igniting one
of the most heated rivalries in the program’s history - Louisville.</p>

The changes are likely to start a domino effect out west.</p>

“I think if the Big Ten makes a move, it will set off a series of
moves across the nation that will see leagues altered. The Pac-10
likely would add two teams to get to 12,” Dienhart said.</p>

At this point we can only speculate at how fast the changes will
come from the Big Ten, but regardless of when it happens, be it in the
next two weeks or two years, it’s apparent that Southern Miss is
working to insure that they are willing and able to take advantage of
any opportunity presented when these changes do come.</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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If the Big East didn't take Memphis, they will never, ever, ever take Southern. Keep dreaming, buzzards.
 

RebelBruiser

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They have no TV market, no fanbase, nothing to sell to the Big East accept for a marginally successful CUSA football program, and it's still a weak football program.

UCF, ECU, and Memphis would all be ahead of USM in the Big East discussions. UAB and Tulane would probably have a better shot at the Big East than USM.

ETA: Not to mention that the proposed South division they talk about is basically an old CUSA division. If the Big East loses a Rutgers or a Pitt to the Big 10, you can just about write off the Big East's chances at retaining a BCS bid.
 

ckDOG

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The last thing I want is local competition from another BCS school. Recruiting is already tough enough as it is.

But, like you said, there are several programs ahead of USM in terms of desirability for the Big East. I don't see how this could ever be a possibility.
 

llmsudawg

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and why would they make changes to Reed Green? They played a home game at Gulfport high this year for crying out loud.</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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but you are spot on. Can you imagine Syracuse, Notre Dame and Georgetown playing at that high school gym they call a basketball arena? What a joke. Reed Green makes the Tad Pad look like Staples Center. The Big East has made it clear they are only interested in pursuing two-sport schools. If Memphis had a decent football program, they'd have probably been invited.
 

Johnson85

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and it really is a garbage conference. No way they should have a guaranteed BCS spot.

But after looking at it, USM might actually have a shot if they expand to 12 teams. You'd think Memphis would be a no brainer b/c they would be attractive in football and basketball and have a decent market. You'd think UCF would be more attractive b/c of its location and potential size. Then maybe UAB is a better market, but I don't know it would be by a huge margin. East Carolina maybe has the edge b/c of location. You'd think USM would be more attractive than Marshall, and then maybe FIU or Florida Atlantic would be competitive simply because of location?

But if the Big East does raid the CUSA and USM doesn't make the cut, it'll be armageddon for USM.Can'timagine how the CUSA could scrap together a conference that could pull in any significant tv money at that point.

</p>ETA:should have made clear that USM would have a shotif theBig 10 poaches a team from the Big East.
 

patdog

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For one thing, it's from footballrumormill.com which is probably the most worthless website I've seen linked from here. For another, there are several reasons the Big East wont expand to 12 football playing schools. Let's look at their options if they did expand to 12.

1. Add 4 football-only members. This has been tried by a few conferences in the past and has failed every time. That's why you don't see any football-only members in conferences today.

2. Add 4 all-sports members. That would get the already bloated Big East to 20+ members. Not gonna happen.

3. Split into two conferences. I don't see schools like Syracuse and UConn giving up their Big East basketball rivalries without a huge fight.

If Pitt does leave the Big East for the Big 10, I look for the Big East to just add one school like UCF or possibly Memphis. And, as others have mentioned, even if the Big East did expand to 12 football schools, USM would be at best questionable to make the list.
 
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is that Southern Miss really doesn't matter, and we should treat them that way. Ole Miss reallyshouldn't either, in regards to us, but they factor in more significantly because we directly compete with them more often.</p>

If we'd just maximize our potential athletically, we wouldn't have to worry about ever competing with Southern. We'd be in a natural position of superiority, not a manufactured one like other schools try to impose. Beat the teams we're supposed to beat, show up, buy tickets, give to the Bulldog Club, and add in the SEC money, and we will always be able to afford good coaches and have exciting atmospheres. We'd dwarf Southern, even if they were in the Big East.</p>

Of course, on the flip side, if we don't maximize potential, you have a situation like Florida State/South Florida. I'm not advocating "holding the little man down" at all. I actually hate that thinking. I just want to see us do what we have to do, then we don't have to worry about being overtaken.</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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because of their football program, or lack thereof, and the age of the rapidly dilapidating Liberty Bowl. USM can hang it up. Their basketball program is barely Division I level. They are a bottom-feeder in a one-team league. The Big East will never take them.
 

Johnson85

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but you'd have to think they're looking at something for football. I'm not sure when they could actually lose their automatic BCS bid (I'm assuming there is a contract that runs 4-5 years at a time?), but they can't afford to lose a decent football team at this point without doing something. If their BCS bid is guaranteed for another four of five years, they might add teams hoping thatbeing in the Big East would allow them to improve.I don't see why Memphisand UCF couldn't be respectable in two or three years if they hadBCS money. UAB to a lesser extent just b/c of Auburn and UAT. Still leaves USM way down the line and unlikely, but if the Big East got it in their head that they wanted a conference championship game, there wouldn't really be many good options for them.
 

RebelBruiser

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The Tad Pad is definitely a joke, and USM's arena is worse. The only thing that makes the Tad Pad redeemable is that it can get loud in there due to its size, assuming the fans are actually interested in coming. We need to blow it up and start over.


The good thing for us is that we aren't in USM's shoes. If the conferences all disbanded and decided to start from scratch in making 5 or 6 super conferences, all 3 Mississippi schools would probably be left out in the cold. Fortunately, we both have charter memberships with the SEC, which means we get to laugh at the Teacher's college down south as they have no shot at a major conference.
 

MSUCostanza

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the fact that 1000 is a good crowd for a USM basketball game. I'm sure UConn would be intimidated going into Reed Green for a critical Big East clash.
 

dawgstudent

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what is different between Reed Green and Tad Smith? It's the exact same setup except Reed Green has bleachers on the end lines...wait..so does Tad Smith.



 

patdog

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And there's really very little quality out there that they could realistically add. Memphis's problem now isn't money, their basketball program generates plenty of it and they have one of the richest men in the world giving them money too. As for UAB, they will never ever be a viable option for any BCS league. Their own board of trustees will never allow them to be competitive in football. Not to mention, their fanbase problems are much worse than even USM's are.
 

GloryDawg

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RebelBruiser said:
They have no TV market, no fanbase, nothing to sell to the Big East accept for a marginally successful CUSA football program, and it's still a weak football program.

UCF, ECU, and Memphis would all be ahead of USM in the Big East discussions. UAB and Tulane would probably have a better shot at the Big East than USM.

ETA: Not to mention that the proposed South division they talk about is basically an old CUSA division. If the Big East loses a Rutgers or a Pitt to the Big 10, you can just about write off the Big East's chances at retaining a BCS bid.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">A lot their fan base problem has to do with conference. Put them in a BCS conference and have some of those teams come to Hattiesburg; you will see a lot of sell outs. Let’s be honest, we benefit due to fact we are SEC. We are going to have some really good, high profile teams come toStarkville.If Miss State was not in the SEC we would not be crap and that goes for Ole Miss as well. Let USM join the SEC and see what happens down there. I don’t think the Big East would have the same level of effect but you would see a big turn around. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span>Personally I wish Miss State was in Hattiesburg.Hattiesburg has grown a lot. There are a lot of people living there.Plus they are close to New Orleans and the casinos on the coast. Hattiesburg has a lot of pluses that Oxford and Starkville don't have. If Miss State or Ole Miss waslocated in Hattiesburg, the stadium would be huge.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Just my humble opinion and I will add that I think it is ridicules that they can’t get more then 33K to a game on a regular basis. </p>
 

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There's not too many programs that make me think how lucky I am to be a State fan,but the CUSA getting raided and USM being left behind would make USM one of them.

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windcrysmary

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to hattisburg? and play there for hoops?

this is not like a one time deal when NE went there for football...we're talking about a lifetime committment of going there every year..

I just don't see big east hoop heavy weights signing on to anything like that....;
 

Bulldog Backer

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...and I don't blame them. Conference-USA was made up of leftovers from the old Metro Conference, and Louisville and Cincinnati bolted to the Big East. They have to take 3rd fiddle to recruiting in their own state, have trouble getting 20,000 fans to show up for their own conference games, and their athletic department is operating in the red. They have had to use State General Funds budget dollars to subsidize them. Those dollars are drying up. They are desperate to earn more dollars and see joining a BCS Conference as a way to do that. Unfortunately, they have nothing to give the Big East except higher expense traveling to Hattiesburg. Giannini is a smart guy, but he can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
 

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windcrysmary said:
to hattisburg? and play there for hoops?

this is not like a one time deal when NE went there for football...we're talking about a lifetime committment of going there every year..

I just don't see big east hoop heavy weights signing on to anything like that....;

Uh How do you think Florida and Tenn and Ga feel?</p>

<font size="2">A Saturday night in Starkville, not my idea of fun." Sam Crenshaw, weekend Sports Anchor for 11Alive News in Atlanta, 9/24/05</font>

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dawgstudent

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Athens, Gainesville, and Knoxville are all within a days driving distance. Plus, away crowds for basketball maybe comprise 5% of attendance if that. But even as a State fan, I wouldn't mind seeing Georgetown or UCONN play if they came to Hattiesburg. I think you would get a lot of walk up crowd every year.
 

dawgatUSM

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There would be a good crowd, but it wouldn't be sold out. The year Memphis went to the Championship game was my last year at USM, and they promoted their game with them nonstop weeks in advance. Memphis came in ranked #2 I think. I was still able to walk up and had plenty of room to sit. I think there ended up being about 5K there. <div>
</div><div>Granted, UCONNs name alone has a little bit more appeal than Memphis, but I really don't think that it would effect too much in the grand scheme of things.</div>