We need a JUCO QB to walk-on

[Todd4State]

The other thread about walk-ons inspired me.

We don't need an all-world blue chip caliber type QB- but we just need someone that can fill a void if Tyler gets hurt and Dak struggles.

Maybe the coaches are on top of this already.

 

[Todd4State]

The other thread about walk-ons inspired me.

We don't need an all-world blue chip caliber type QB- but we just need someone that can fill a void if Tyler gets hurt and Dak struggles.

Maybe the coaches are on top of this already.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...walk-on to a scenario where he is 3rd string, & will remain 3rd string unless both Russell & Prescott go down to injury?


The MSU QB situation is the worst possible scenario for a JUCO QB.

 

[BiscuitEater]

The MSU QB situation is the worst possible scenario for a JUCO QB.

be an opportunity 'if' there was a JC QB looking to play SEC ball.


Face it, the Farve 'tantrum' put us in position of now needing someone with > than HS experience. Ideal QB would be a Qualifier with one year as QB in JC that wants a 'shot' at running the spread in the SEC. With four years to play three (like Bo), Mullen has shown he is willing to give every player a chance.


Mullen gave Farve some chances, even as a RS FR.

 

[ckDOG]

Give the fans something somewhat exciting to watch while we get our arses handed to us every game. I'd rather watch an athlete try to make plays happen while we are losing versus a walk-on pretend he's a real SEC QB.

 

[patdog]

First of all, if we get down to #3 we WON'T be playing a walkon because you were just as WRONG about this in the week before signing day as you are now. Even if we get to #4, we'd be alot better off with the walkon than we would with Bumphis or Lewis. Believe it or not, teams can still be competitive when they get down to their #3 QB, like we were in 2007. Seriously, that kind of defeatest attitude is exactly what Byrne, Stricklin, Mullen, Cohenhave been slowly weeding out of out athletic dept. ever since they were hired.

 

[Johnson85]

Probably not a walk-on of the caliber we're going to get. If we get down to option #3, we'd probably burn Scheusler's redshirt and play him before the walk-on. We can still try to redshirt him next year. Even if we end up not being able to redshirt him the next year either, chances are it won't hurt us that much in the long run. It might even help us recruit our next qb, as it will provide a clear opening to step in and be the starter for up to 3 years, rather than 2.

 

[ckDOG]

First, I said I was confused when folks asserted we weren't offering Schuessler. I never thought we would get Liggins (being wrong about him not ending up at OM does not make me wrong about him not ending up here), so the thought of resorting to a walk-on option would have been extremely weird.

Second, that's not defeatest, that's realistic. You want to waste a year of Scheussler's badly needed development or you expect a JUCO QB to walk on and produce? That's crazy talk. Bumphis and Lewis both played quarterback in HS and are at least familiar with our system and personnel. They won't be great, but I'd go with them being able to move the ball better than some JUCO walkon that nobody else wanted and has to step in during a rushed/crappy situation.

Bottom line is if we have to go to a third QB next year, it's going to be ugly on that side of the ball. Might as well keep the fans entertained with some speed in the backfield.

 

[jeremyrbrown]

when during the season #1 and #2 get hurt. If they get hurt in the Auburn game, and you've got 10 more games left. You use Schuessler. He has several relatively easy games to learn in (Troy, USA, UK, UT, MTSU). But if Russell and Prescott get hurt in the LSU game, no way do you throw Schuessler into that game against their defense. And you would consider playing the last two games with the wildcat. Unless there's some huge improvement from OM, we would beat them with Bumphis in the backfield.

 

[maroonmania]

then we are going to have to have Schuessler ready to play as the backup going into a game. I agree that he would be the better option than running a Wildcat for the entire offense the rest of the year unless we are down to the last couple of games. Also agree that if he does have to get used we could try to RS him again the next year when Russell and Prescott are a SR and SO.

 

[engie]

we're necessarily defeated with a 3rd string qb? There are guys IN MISSISSIPPI Juco ranks that could come in and run our offense MUCH more effectively than a guy fresh out of highschool and/or someone who hasn't played qb in 4+ years. When I say "guys", I mean, there were +-10 qb's this past year in the juco ranks in MISSISSIPPI that would give us a better shot than Scheussler, Bumphis, or Lewis will next year. Walk-ons don't cost us anything..why wouldn't we try?

NJCAA passing(quite a bit of unsigned MS talent): http://www.njcaa.org/spor...min=0.0&seasonselect=547

This guy is still waiting in the wings with nothing to do. Granted, he's been a bust up to this point in his career(and actually has bad enough grades currently that it's up in the air if he can get into Jackson State), he's still a blue-chip 'TALENT' that's never been developed or used properly(much like our friend 5* Brent Schaeffer). http://recruiting.scout.c...s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3567241 I really believe this guy could potentially be a good player in our offense(at the very least, he'd be a good insurance policy) As a 3rd string non-scholarship qb? Thanks, I'd take him!

 

[jeremyrbrown]

NJCAA passing(quite a bit of unsigned MS talent): http://www.njcaa.org/spor...min=0.0&seasonselect=547

All of the MS guys on this list have either enrolled at other schools or are freshmen.

 

[gravedigger]

I saw bama go down to one in 1980 in jackson because we beat the ever loving **** out of the other 2. But frankly, if our luck is that bad, or we've gotten that deep in the season and we need the 3rd string guy to win the game, I'll be fine with the kid from georgia. That is what legends are made of.

***edited to add: bless your 17ing heart todd for even worrying about a 3rd string qb. Think about how many years THAT was an issue.

 

[Goat Grindin]

and then the odds really go down that you actually have 2 get hurt in the same season. MSU fans can straight up the negative in any situation.

 

[engie]

There is no rule saying these guys must graduate from juco to transfer early, especially in the case of a walk-on. Not to imply that a top juco qb(that is expecting major offers) would be willing to walk on in the SEC one year early, but crazier things have happened. Tell him he will have the opportunity to earn a scholarship his 2nd semester based on performance, and instead of playing in front of a few thousand at Hinds, they will have the opportunity for a few snaps in front of 100k several times a year. Had I gotten the same deal out of JUCO in baseball for the SEC, I would have strongly considered it...

Bo Wallace was a RS FR this past season. He still has 3 to play 3. This would actually be ideal for us, because it would potentially allow a guy to step directly into Favre's spot, thus keeping the "one per year" continuity

 

[Goat Grindin]

nm

 

[jeremyrbrown]

Actually there is a rule that says that. Unless they were eligible out of HS, they have to finish up at their JUCO before they can transfer. Most guys are in JUCO due to grades. Just a handful of good players are eligible to transfer after their freshman year.

 

[gravedigger]

meaning, you can have all "a" s in JC and pick a major at your next college that you havnt progressed enough to be classisfied as a junior.

You have to do so by that fall or you cannot play until you do.

Good grades arent enough anymore.

 

[KennyPowers2]

Clint Hatten at MGCCC was a qualifier out of high school im sure. He had some talent when I watched him but needed some coaching. He has gotten some playing time in JUCO towards the end of the season. He was teammates with Dee so who knows. He is a spread type QB. I havent seen him play since high school but he could use Balis. Just throwing him out there.

 

[patdog]

because we'd be screwed anywayif we had to go with our #3 QB. My comment about being wrong was directed at them, not necessarily at you. But if we somehow lose both Russell and Prescott, hell yes I want to use a year of Scheussler's eligiblity to finish out the season. He'd be a lot better option than using a non-QB at that position. And it's not even certain that we'd be able to finish the season without using him anyway. Giving up on a season is not even close to being an option. Of course we'd like to redshirt Scheussler, but if we have to use him then we have to use him. George Allen said it best. The future is now. You don't sacrifice now for the hope of what you might get in the future. You win now.

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[Goat Grindin]

nm

 

[patdog]

If your criteria is whether or not we win 10 games we'd be just about as well off with me playing QB as we would with Russell or anyone else. But a 6+ win season with Scheussler would beat the hell out of a 5 or fewer win season with Bumphis, or Lewis or anyone else. Redshit be damned.</p>

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

and i may be wrong but didn't rutland and conner get hurt in the same year too?

 

[lazlow]

I agree that he would be the better option than running a Wildcat for the entire offense the rest of the year

but the WC has been pretty effective against dooley and that shipof fools. I'd love to send that POS packing with Bumphis running the WC....but better yet we win, the vols catch vandy/uk sleeping w/ their ER qb,fooley gets another year and we get em again with a healthy Prescott/Shuessler in knoxville.

 

[Todd4State]

I hope the season doesn't come down to a third QB, but Tyler has had some injury issues and Dak will be running the option a lot- which means he will get hit a lot. Heck, Relf was hurt last year and gutted it out.

So, I think it's a very legit concern for us. If we're running the wildcat every play, I'm going to be upset as a fan. That's a roster mismanagement issue to me. And Schuessler will play I'm sure, but I would much rather use a walk-on that's Tyson Lee caliber than burn Schuessler's redshirt year and then have to hope that no one gets hurt in his second year so he can be redshirted then.

Tyson would have been perfect as a number three QB. He's smart, he can run a little bit, and he didn't have a big arm but he could throw decent enough.

 

[patdog]

Yes, if either Russell or Prescott goes down, we have to have Scheussler ready to play. Doesn't mean he has to play unless we really need him, but he has to be ready. And very good point that if we do have to use him this fall, that doesn't necessarily mean that we couldn't redshirt him next year.

 

[Goat Grindin]

That's not what I meant. The whole point of my post was to show how rare it is that 2 QBs get hurt on the same team. You said it happened to us in 2007. My intent was to show that 10 times more seasons go by that 2 QBs DON'T get hurt. If I was unclear I apologize. 10 wins had nothing to do with my point.<div>
</div><div>Yes, 2007 we had 2 QBs get hurt. May have had two get hurt in 2006 too. But what about last year? 2010? 2009? 2008? 2005? 2004? 2003? 2002? 2001? 2000? On and on and on.</div><div>
</div><div>Fact of the matter is, 2 QBs getting hurt in the same season is rare. Not sure of the actual percentages, but I'm guessing it's under 10% of the time.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: Any team that Henig's glass collarbone 5'9" 175 lb. *** played for probably shouldn't count anyway since he never had the body to play SEC football to begin with. Croom should be ashamed of himself. Henigs probably could sue that mfer for negligence if they wanted.</div>

 

[Todd4State]

Conner got hurt at times though. Ty Evans even got in on the action, but he could barely throw the ball across the LOS and we were having to look at Anthony Sumners as a QB.

 

[patdog]

I agree that it's rare to have to use your #3 QB. People are getting worked up over what's probably nothing. Odds are good that we don't have to play anyone other than Russell and Prescott at QB this fall. My only point is that rather than just give up if we do have to use our #3 QB, it's far better to actually try to win with the best #3 QB we can find. Unbelievably, there are apparently many on this board who disagree with that.

 

[Goat Grindin]

I've seen Coach's black helicopter story about how he offered Wallace just to make Freeze spend a scholly on him but that seems far fetched. That'd be nice, and it worked at least a little since OM didn't sign Liggins and they used an extra scholly.<div>
</div><div>I know Mullen probably just wanted a 3rd QB. Hopefully he wasn't looking for a starter because that wouldn't mean good things for our other two guys.</div>

 

[patdog]

Coach34's theory is ********. Mullen knew that we absolutely had to sign a QB this fall when Favre left and he didn't move on to the next guy until Wallace committed to UM.</p>

 

[engie]

We wanted Wallace. Would have fit directly into Favre's eligibility spot. That would've allowed us to go after Liggins and Alford from the highschool ranks, and when we missed on them, I doubt we take another qb at that point.

Regardless, I'm still of the opinion that signing a Prescott-like, top of our board, dual threat, stud hs qb has to be PRIORITY #1 for next recruiting season...