We scored double digits in 2 games this weekend...
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Saturday, we take two games and the third would have ended in a tie. We only gave up one earned one Friday and 9 earned runs Saturday, and 11 earned runs Sunday. Think about that for a second.
WE GAVE UP 14 UNEARNED RUNS IN 3 GAMES!!!!!
Edited to add: Ole Miss gave up 2 unearned runs this weekend.
So...in hindsight, the difference wasn't pitching BUT defense. 12 run swing.
WE GAVE UP 14 UNEARNED RUNS IN 3 GAMES!!!!!
Edited to add: Ole Miss gave up 2 unearned runs this weekend.
So...in hindsight, the difference wasn't pitching BUT defense. 12 run swing.
If you have two outs and an error is made then it's my understanding that all runs after that are unearned. If the opposing team then hits ten home runs in a row that is ten unearned runs. The fact that they are all unearned doesn't mean that the pitching sucks less. It just means that an error was made at some point that extended the inning. Good pitchers find a way to overcome errors behind them.
I'm not saying our pitching was good. Both staffs were horrible this weekend. But the difference was that Ole Miss made plays in the field to help out the bad pitching. Bad pitching is bad pitching, period. Good pitchers do figure out a way to overcome bad pitching behind them. The fact is...noone, other than Pom, pitched worth a **** this weekend. The difference was defense, plain and simple.
Jet Butler, alone, cost us at least 4 runs last night. Trae Johnson not being able to find first base cost us another 4 runs. I didn't listen to too much of the game today, but I did hear Ogden boot another ball the 2 minutes I tuned in, so I'm sure there were other errors to add to that. We suck in pretty much all aspects of the game right now, but if we could limit ourseleves to just 1 error a game (I know that's asking a lot), we'd give ourselves so much of a better chance to win and actually keep some of the momentum we sometimes get when we have a productive offensive inning. Until we find some folks who can actually field a ground ball, our pitching will continue to look bad and we won't win too many games...especially with the kind of offensive production we've been used to seeing.
But I still contend that good pitchers are able to overcome errors in the field. That's true for any team. What would have happened if after every error that extended an inning the next batter made an out? Obviously, the inning would have been over. Good pitchers get the next batter.
tcreb said:
you not only make your pitcher get four outs, you make your pitcher get four outs with a runner on base, and that makes it even more tough. You might be facing the clean up hitter with a guy on base instead of leading off the inning with no one on, and on top of that, you force the pitcher to throw from the stretch as opposed to the windup. You now have the potential of a stolen base, a hit and run. You also have to have your first baseman hold the runner on base in general, and that open up more holes in the infield for a ball to go through, making it easier to hit.
Your defense helps your pitcher get out of an inning and it causes your pitcher to throw less pitches. It's an accumalaitive effect.
Under your scenario, I would say that your team is very, very fortunate.
My rule of thumb is that for every error you commit, you give the other team a run in general.
rugbdawg said:
Along with Pom, Huber pitched well as a closer in Games 1 and 2, and I thought Rothlin did a good job in relief on Saturday, but outside of that, you are correct, the rest of our pitching (Barrett, Tracy, McKean, Callendar, even Crouse) was weak all weekend.
The main difference in the weekend was your defense, or lack thereof.
Like I said, if we make a few of those plays, we get out of several innings with minimal damage. Trae Johnson not being able to find 1st base opened up the door for 4 runs. He simply steps on 1st and we're out of the inning. And that wasn't even called an error. Jet Butler - if he doesn't lolly-gag a throw to 2nd base (before he had the complete meltdown), we get a double play and are out of the inning the next batter. This particular play wasn't called an error either. So that's 13 errors that should have been called, giving them 10 extra outs essentially. Defense was most certainly and has been our achilles heal all weekend and all year. It's truly pathetic how bad we are defensively. I really think my 11/12 year old all star team played better defense than we do. Hell, Ron Cooper even thinks our defense sucks.
our pitching is so bad it's just a matter of time before the hitters start beating the ball around. It's not like we are always making errors with men on base to let runs score. We may make an error to let a runner on, and then the ****** pitching starts giving up line drives to the alleys. Case in point:
M. Hamblin lined out to cf (0-0). T. Ferguson reached on a throwing error by ss, advanced to second (1-2 BKS). K. Mort popped up to 1b (1-0 B). M. Smith walked (3-1 BBKBB). Ma. Snyder singled through the left side, RBI (1-1 KB); M. Smith advanced to second; T. Ferguson scored, unearned. Z. Miller tripled to right center, 2 RBI (0-0); Ma. Snyder scored, unearned; M. Smith scored, unearned. C. Collins to p for Girodo. A. Yarbrough doubled to left center, RBI (3-2 BBBKS); Z. Miller scored, unearned. T. Hashman walked (3-1 KBBBB). T. Hightower reached on a fielder's choice (0-1 S); T. Hashman out at second ss to 2b. 4 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB.
Yes, the error put a runner on, but we got the next hitter out to get it to two outs and had a chance to get out of the inning. But what happens? We start giving up hit after hit and runs score.
The defense has got to help the pitching more, but our pitching is awful and its going to find a way to give up runs
M. Hamblin lined out to cf (0-0). T. Ferguson reached on a throwing error by ss, advanced to second (1-2 BKS). K. Mort popped up to 1b (1-0 B). M. Smith walked (3-1 BBKBB). Ma. Snyder singled through the left side, RBI (1-1 KB); M. Smith advanced to second; T. Ferguson scored, unearned. Z. Miller tripled to right center, 2 RBI (0-0); Ma. Snyder scored, unearned; M. Smith scored, unearned. C. Collins to p for Girodo. A. Yarbrough doubled to left center, RBI (3-2 BBBKS); Z. Miller scored, unearned. T. Hashman walked (3-1 KBBBB). T. Hightower reached on a fielder's choice (0-1 S); T. Hashman out at second ss to 2b. 4 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 2 LOB.
Yes, the error put a runner on, but we got the next hitter out to get it to two outs and had a chance to get out of the inning. But what happens? We start giving up hit after hit and runs score.
The defense has got to help the pitching more, but our pitching is awful and its going to find a way to give up runs
11 unearned. Compare that to 3 runs for us - 2 unearned. A 20 freaking run differential. That is simply amazing. OM had one more hit than we did on Friday and we lost that game due to 3 errors in the 8th innings (defense). OM out hit us by 7 on Saturday and had Johnson made that play, we win that game (defense). Yesterday we out-hit them. I didn't pay as close attention to the game yesterday to know how it all unfolded but looking at the box score, I see we out hit them and had 3 more errors.
Honestly, it's kind of dumb to argue what part of our ****** team is the shittiest. We pretty much suck all the way around, in every aspect of the game of baseball.
Honestly, it's kind of dumb to argue what part of our ****** team is the shittiest. We pretty much suck all the way around, in every aspect of the game of baseball.