We would never go after a coach like Kiffin
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Indeed. He has been available and there was zero interest by Tanner and board of trustees. Same with Heupel at Tennessee. The combination of cronyism, state gubmint meddling, overly loyal fanbase, and money coming in no matter what has created a situation that is just stupid difficult to overcome.
You cant make this stuff up.
Heupel (who is losing tonight) and Kiffin were the two main comparisons that said poster used to rail against.
Its amazingly ironic how the actual programs have turned out.
To me, the lower level FBS schools are like the minor leagues in professional baseball. You basically try out in the minor league. If you do well, then you are brought up to the major league. If you did well in the minor league, it does not guarantee that you will succeed in the major league. But it improves the odds. The SEC is the major league. We should have used the lower level FBS leagues to hire our football coach.
This is a university that went from 2 past their primes Hall of Famers to replacing them first with a proven failure as a Head Coach (Muschamp) and second with someone who was never thought of highly enough to be hired as a Coordinator, much less a Head Coach (Beamer). Do the hiring authorities at South Carolina even try to hire a quality Head Football Coach? These last two were lazy hires. Any time you "settle", you are not trying.
And drug our feet. It sure if he was ready and he got snatched from us. James Franklin wasn’t good enough for us. We wouldn’t even consider Kiffin or Mizz coach
Yes, they did. After striking out there, they unbelievably settled for Muschamp. We must have the most screwed up staff of any university.
Kiffen had baggage. Seems some of y'all forgot. Raiders > UTen (fans rioted when he left after 1 season)>SoCal (fired after 3 seasons).
Maybe we would hire him now, but not that long ago, no.
Maybe we would hire him now, but not that long ago, no.
No, didn’t forget. Saw how he rebounded at Alabama and then lead FAU to their best stretch of football. Also if you’ve ever heard him speak about life you see a guy who’s learned a little. He was never on SC’s radar to hire and that was stupid.
I remember, but imho, I saw a coach grown up when he had successful stints at Bama, then FAU. I thought he kind of rehabilitated his name.
I also dont think his rep was as tarnished as others did. He failed badly at the Raiders. He screwed UT, but for his "dream job". He was still making them better for that one year. The mistake was Southern Cal. He took that over under huge schollie restrictions.
I can see why others disagreed though.
I thought So Cal made a mistake too. Since they fired him they have 1 conference championship. His best season there they weren’t eligible for post-season but would have played for it otherwise. Granted that particular season where he was fired it wasn’t going well in conference but no one who followed got them to the level they deemed wasn’t getting them to. He was easy to hate then so people took the tarmac thing to be some sort of celebration. He’s a good coach but that won’t change some opinions.
Al Davis called him a liar. He may have redeemed his name, but that was not a good situation.
And Kiffen left UTen with 12 recruiting violations, including the infamous "recruiting hostesses" scandal.
At Alabama, Lane Kiffin may be under more scrutiny as a recruiter than ever (Kevin Scarbinsky)
The NCAA Infractions Committee found that Tennessee committed 12 secondary recruiting violations during Kiffin's one year there as head coach in 2009. He was not sanctioned personally.
www.al.com
The timing never worked in our favor to consider Kiffen.
Kiffen had 2 good years at FAU and Ole Miss rolled the dice on a risky hire. If chance given, maybe we would hire him now, but not likely in 2019.
Al Davis called him a liar. He may have redeemed his name, but that was not a good situation.
And Kiffen left UTen with 12 recruiting violations, including the infamous "recruiting hostesses" scandal.
Kiffen was hired at Ole Miss 12/19. We were still slogging through Muschamp and his expensive buyout.At Alabama, Lane Kiffin may be under more scrutiny as a recruiter than ever (Kevin Scarbinsky)
The NCAA Infractions Committee found that Tennessee committed 12 secondary recruiting violations during Kiffin's one year there as head coach in 2009. He was not sanctioned personally.
The timing never worked in our favor to consider Kiffen.
Kiffen had 2 good years at FAU and Ole Miss rolled the dice on a risky hire. If chance given, maybe we would hire him now, but not likely in 2019.
Don't disagree. He needed some definite career rebuilding.
I dont think he was ever really a candidate here either. He and Heupel were held up as hires who went into messes much like Beamer, and showed better success, at similar times. That was the comparison that set some people off.
I think the rehab stint at Bama was good for him, and the very good work he did at FAU (3 years, 2 conference titles) was what put him back on track as a desirable coach.
The alternate names when we were hiring were Napier and Chadwell on the boards. (I dont think any other candidate was ever really considered though).
Heupel was a less riskier hire for anyone. When I look at him today, I still can't believe he's the same Josh Heupel who was such a great QB at Sooners.
Heupel was a less riskier hire for anyone. When I look at him today, I still can't believe he's the same Josh Heupel who was such a great QB at Sooners.
I know! Just reminds me how old i am.
Agree on the riskiness too.
If I recall correctly, the knock on Heupel was UCF's last year. He took over for an undefeated team, had a couple double digit win seasons, then had a bad year. It just so happened to be the covid year, with a lot of off the field disruptions opt/outs.
But again, the mistake was comparing his immediate success at UT, and Kiffin's at Ole Miss to the stumbling of Shane initially. This meant for some posters, those two had to be the worst coaches in the world, and they argued it for years.
I admit to rehashing old memories because those posters have since fled the board (or just changed handles). There's a small group of posters here who were part of that back and forth, and I like to remind them how right we were. Its petty, I know.
Honest question. Would you hire Beamer as a HC, even a a small school?
He's about to be in a weird limbo. He cant go back to running a defense or offense for another coach. He doesnt have the coordinator job to fall back on.
So its HC at small school, or.......? Analyst? Retire?
Or commentator.
He should have started at ETSU or similar. If he ever wants to be a head coach again he'll have to start small. He's made enough money so he's got to want it. Maybe he does, maybe not. He doesn't seem too good at it.
No one was a serious candidate in 2019 because of the stupid contract given to Muschamp so the powers that be never even considered there needed to be candidates.Al Davis called him a liar. He may have redeemed his name, but that was not a good situation.
And Kiffen left UTen with 12 recruiting violations, including the infamous "recruiting hostesses" scandal.
Kiffen was hired at Ole Miss 12/19. We were still slogging through Muschamp and his expensive buyout.At Alabama, Lane Kiffin may be under more scrutiny as a recruiter than ever (Kevin Scarbinsky)
The NCAA Infractions Committee found that Tennessee committed 12 secondary recruiting violations during Kiffin's one year there as head coach in 2009. He was not sanctioned personally.
The timing never worked in our favor to consider Kiffen.
Kiffen had 2 good years at FAU and Ole Miss rolled the dice on a risky hire. If chance given, maybe we would hire him now, but not likely in 2019.
I doubt Kiffen would have been anyhow because the thinking that lead to, not just the hiring of Muschamp & Beamer but granting their extensions & raises prevailed. That didn’t allow for some options.
No. For the most part guys that get hc jobs at smaller places still hold OC or DC first. Beamer was not an hc candidate anywhere until SC.