In quick manner, tho in the eyes of some people change should always be immediate or its garbage, but for us logical people, we are seeing the beginning of a significant transition... IN a matter of two signing periods, our OL has went from BY FAR our biggest weakness, to soon being one of the strengths on the team. Absolutely critical for our younger & upcoming QB's to be successful.. Homegrown #Trifecta on the OL in short order.... Frazier, Wyatt, & Nester.... Adding in Rimac, Moorer, Yates, Mayo, Beaver & White and we are starting to see the OL room make significant steps forward from a talent perspective. Talent that still needs to be developed, BUT things are def looking optimistic for the future of our offense, to not be handicapped by ability.. These guys are still young, so patience still required, but what a great Christmas present to #WVUFamily!
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Smoke being blown?
Rushing yr 1 worst in P5
yr. 2, still five spots lower than 2018 at #80
Passing down from #4 in 2018 to #25 2020 (much worse 2019)
Its about winning, not someone's opinion about things being somehow "better".
Pretending something is "better" doesn't make it actually better.
Rushing yr 1 worst in P5
yr. 2, still five spots lower than 2018 at #80
Passing down from #4 in 2018 to #25 2020 (much worse 2019)
Its about winning, not someone's opinion about things being somehow "better".
Pretending something is "better" doesn't make it actually better.
Its not about cherry picking the best yr a coach had(of players he actually recruited), its not about the 2018 SENIOR LADEN TEAM, its about the state of the program when DH left, or I should say what he left behind. DH didnt build anything, he got lucky in 2016, which showed in the bowl game vs Miami, as his usual got out played & out coached. He put all his cards on the 2018 team, and it didnt work out. You have to be the biggest troll in this forum, your mission is not working, because you do not reside within reality or maintain thoughts centered within logic.
Was 2018 the norm or avg for DH? No, it was HIS CEILING... THE VERY BEST HE COULD DO, and still managed to come in 3rd place in the Big12. Again, you never seem to answer this: How did that 2018 team perform vs Syracuse? How many points did we score?
I could say well, DH beat Clemson X years ago, that has ZERO impact on next years team, He even got Geno & crew back the next year and only managed 7 wins. DH did not "build" our program for consistency, he grabbed every decent JUCO player he could to simply "Go win some games"... BTW, how's he doing down there in Houston? Didnt he just get smashed by an Island team? Must be a **** load of 4 stars who like to surf... Also, didnt he inherit a Heisman caliber QB there too? That didnt work out did it... When you look at the inherited roster, who exactly stands out to you as impactful, other then Colton? How many quality upperclassmen?
Inheriting one of the worst OL's in D1 and recruiting 2 consensus highly rated All-Americans is garbage and not going to make a difference I suppose right, DH would have got Darnell Wright, but wait, he didnt even recruit him, didnt even try.. DH is one of those "its just a paycheck" kind of employees..
Your head needs examined if you truly think DH left the program in a good spot... #InstaBlock
Was 2018 the norm or avg for DH? No, it was HIS CEILING... THE VERY BEST HE COULD DO, and still managed to come in 3rd place in the Big12. Again, you never seem to answer this: How did that 2018 team perform vs Syracuse? How many points did we score?
I could say well, DH beat Clemson X years ago, that has ZERO impact on next years team, He even got Geno & crew back the next year and only managed 7 wins. DH did not "build" our program for consistency, he grabbed every decent JUCO player he could to simply "Go win some games"... BTW, how's he doing down there in Houston? Didnt he just get smashed by an Island team? Must be a **** load of 4 stars who like to surf... Also, didnt he inherit a Heisman caliber QB there too? That didnt work out did it... When you look at the inherited roster, who exactly stands out to you as impactful, other then Colton? How many quality upperclassmen?
Inheriting one of the worst OL's in D1 and recruiting 2 consensus highly rated All-Americans is garbage and not going to make a difference I suppose right, DH would have got Darnell Wright, but wait, he didnt even recruit him, didnt even try.. DH is one of those "its just a paycheck" kind of employees..
Your head needs examined if you truly think DH left the program in a good spot... #InstaBlock
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DH left a program that in its last four years won 7 games once, 8 games twice and 10 games once.
You pretend as though those things didn't happen. They did.
Final season was a 3 pt loss from appearing in the BIG 12 CCG.
To then turn around and pretend that nothing was left, no players remained to again win at least 7 games if not more is just disengenuous, especially when at least 27 players were pushed out when the new staff took over. Not to mention the players performing the best still today came from that previous staff.
There isn't any better recruiting as you've tried to claim. There isn't better performance. It has nothing to do with the previous staff. Its on the present.
While there were a few statistical improvements from year one to year two, there are still only 5 wins.
There is never going to be an easier year to have success in the BIG 12 than this one.
Wins matter, pretending the previous staff is the cause for the current staffs failures don't get the program anything but losses. The program WAS NOT depleted, that is a complete rewriting of history.
You pretend as though those things didn't happen. They did.
Final season was a 3 pt loss from appearing in the BIG 12 CCG.
To then turn around and pretend that nothing was left, no players remained to again win at least 7 games if not more is just disengenuous, especially when at least 27 players were pushed out when the new staff took over. Not to mention the players performing the best still today came from that previous staff.
There isn't any better recruiting as you've tried to claim. There isn't better performance. It has nothing to do with the previous staff. Its on the present.
While there were a few statistical improvements from year one to year two, there are still only 5 wins.
There is never going to be an easier year to have success in the BIG 12 than this one.
Wins matter, pretending the previous staff is the cause for the current staffs failures don't get the program anything but losses. The program WAS NOT depleted, that is a complete rewriting of history.
Holgersen"s last 4 recruiting classes, the average star value was 2.76, 3.04, 2.74 and 2.64. For reference, this year’s class average 3.25 stars not counting Nester (Brown's first full year). Anyone pretending that our recruiting is not on the uptick or that Holgersen left a loaded roaster is just an idiot.
Let’s try this again.
If he is so great, why is he not being looked at by ANY P5 school looking for a new coach?
A) He does more cocaine than maybe even Tony Montana
B) Can't recruit
C) Can't win
D) His wife left him for a rodeo clown
E) Almost has the full cul de sac going on top but still has long hair
F) Has a gambling addiction maybe even worst than his cocaine addiction
B) Can't recruit
C) Can't win
D) His wife left him for a rodeo clown
E) Almost has the full cul de sac going on top but still has long hair
F) Has a gambling addiction maybe even worst than his cocaine addiction
Those stats are even misleading too, when you factor in many of the top rated players in those classes never even played a down in a WVU uniform, or very little.
2015 = Two Highest Rated players = Tyrek Cole( Kicked off the team, got arrested for robbery). Jovon Durante- was an impactful player early on, but transferred before his Junior year. Matt Jones(Transferred).
2016 Two highest rated players = Brenden Ferns(Played very little, due to multiple season ending injuries). Steven Smothers(Didnt play a down, also didnt take his school work seriously and wasnt eligible so he transferred). Marcus Simms(Kicked off team, quit, who knows either way he wasnt around when Brown came to town)
2017 = Derrek Pitts(transferred), Reggie Roberson(transferred), Kenny Robison(Kicked off the team for cheating)
2018 = Kwantel Raines(Transferred), Trey Lowe(transferred), Dillon Spalding(transferred)
2019 = Osita Smith(Didnt qualify, so he played JUCO then signed with Terps). Also anyone who thinks 2019 is Brown's first recruiting class needs clinical evaluation. 2021 is the first class he had the full period, and even then COVID probably caused him to miss on a few, he could have reeled in after they visited. I say that with confident, because how many of the 2020 & 2021 commits spoke about what they saw & felt when they visited campus. Also from Brown's signing day interview, he even mentioned this, so hopefully the 2022 class will make the splash he wanted for 2021. Still tho, 2021 is shaping up nicely, esp after he adds a few more to it..
When you subtract those players from those classes, the rating & ranking plummet... DH missed on many of the higher end recruits, or a few left without really making a major impact, def not around for Brown.
Brown is doing a great job recruiting, as good as we can hope for, relative to how the team has performed in recent years. Once results start to show on the field, itll only help fuel further improvements from a talent acquisition perspective. It requires a few years to develop the improved talent, so they can improve the results on the field, which then further improve talent... Its a long term strategy, that requires 4-5 years to really see the fruits.
Realistically, the best we can probably hope for is for Brown to recruit in the 22-26 range, after we start competing more regularly. When you factor in all Blue Bloods & programs better positioned from a recruiting landscape, 22-26 is about the best we can strive for, which should be enough talent that if its evaluated & developed correctly, to compete at a higher level more consistently. I mean, if recruiting rankings was the end all determining factor, Texas would be in the CFP every other year, so there are many factors at play beyond the number of stars our commits have... WVU will always be a program, that needs a coach that knows how to do more with less. That knows how to squeeze every drop of talent from players, that knows how to identify potential and under recruited gems, that uses analytics & scheme to out coach opponents. Every tool in the arsenal has to be deployed, but WVU is catching up from a support staff & facilities perspective.. WVU will never be a talent rich program that can rely on 4 & 5 star Fresh & Soph to compete. We always need to have healthy upperclassmen sizes, something Brown has not had in his first two years. Look at the current roster, a few commits in the 2018 class will technically be seniors next year, some RSJuniors, one of the better classes for DH, but even that class is not as talented as the 2020 & 2021 classes.
Fans are not known to be patient, we are all emotionally invested, some more then others, but building anything of real quality takes time, which is hard to accept when we lose, but thats part of the process.. When many fans wanted to fire DH after a couple years, I did not support that either, I wanted to give him ample time to build the program to his vision. DH had 8 years, ample time to show & prove his ceiling, and simply put, it wasnt high enough. Im not saying we give Brown 8 years without some results, but he deserves to have our support for the first contract, as long as some improvements are identifiable. Recruiting & talent are improving, results on the field most certainly are improving, we are not where we want to be, but to not give him the time needed to implement his vision is doing us all a disservice, esp when we see the talent he is bringing to Morgantown is consistently better then what we saw the last 5 years with DH. Lets give him the time to develop & coach that talent, before serious criticisms are applied. Considering what he inherited, to literally be 1 fumble & 1 missed PI call away from 7 wins this year in reg season, I think is a miraculous coaching job by Brown & staff. To me, it shows what he can do with mostly Fresh & Soph, which only increases optimism for what he can do a couple years from now, when the 2020 & 2021 classes are Juniors & Seniors, and by that time the Fresh & Soph will also be of equal or better talent if we are on an upward trajectory.
If we want a better team, some of that responsibility falls on us as fans & program supporters. Buy Season tickets, buy WVU merch, go to the games & stay for all of it, show love to recruits on SM, and most positively DONATE to the MAC!
#PatienceisaVirtue
Why isn't Nick Saban being looked at by other schools? Dabo? Ryan Day?
There are literally hundreds of coaches that aren't being looked at by other schools.
That doesn't change the history books at WVU for the accomplishments the previous coach had while here, and it doesn't EXCUSE the current coach who is now #19 out of 20 for the worst coaching performances in the history of WVU football.
Deflecting from the current staff isn't going to improve WVU football, after all where are all the clowns who declared anyone could step in and immediately do better? Now you are whining and saying "we all knew it was gonna take half a decade or more to get back to where we were when we were bitching and moaning about the second winningest coach in the history of WVU". Yeah, right.
If DH was putting out the results Brown has at WVU, you would ALL be screaming bloody murder and "FIRE HIM"! We know this BECAUSE YOU DID WHEN HE DID BETTER!!
So shut your holes, you've already said more than enough. You've dug WVU into a DEEP hole that will take YEARS to recover from.
There are literally hundreds of coaches that aren't being looked at by other schools.
That doesn't change the history books at WVU for the accomplishments the previous coach had while here, and it doesn't EXCUSE the current coach who is now #19 out of 20 for the worst coaching performances in the history of WVU football.
Deflecting from the current staff isn't going to improve WVU football, after all where are all the clowns who declared anyone could step in and immediately do better? Now you are whining and saying "we all knew it was gonna take half a decade or more to get back to where we were when we were bitching and moaning about the second winningest coach in the history of WVU". Yeah, right.
If DH was putting out the results Brown has at WVU, you would ALL be screaming bloody murder and "FIRE HIM"! We know this BECAUSE YOU DID WHEN HE DID BETTER!!
So shut your holes, you've already said more than enough. You've dug WVU into a DEEP hole that will take YEARS to recover from.
Do you ever shut up, Dana.
You suck as a coach and as a human being.
Don't let your cocaine high confuse things.
Only people who want you back are the liquor stores, drug dealers and casinos.
Darnell Wright posts something, then quickly deletes it.... He simply posted.... " Hmmmmm", immediately there were 20+ replies all from WVU supporters, then he deletes it moments later... I wonder if he's considering transferring? Can you imagine.... Wright, Nester, Frazier, X , Wyatt That would be one of the best OL's in the big12, if not thee best, after they develop & gel a bit..
You left off a couple of young guys that also have good futures. B. Mays, J. Hubbard, T. Stewart, B. Yates and N. Malone all can add depth/experience to our OL. So, there should at least be competition and depth for positions.
That's called choking when it mattered most.
The program was depleted of more than you have a clue of. 27 players were not pushed out. You have yet to show proof of such. Brown has out recruited Holgorsen in year 1. Look to your favorite coach at Houston. He has failed.
Nick Saban 10 million plus at Alabama. Texas offered Saban and he laughed at them. Dabo winning championships and making 2nd or 3rd largest Salary in college Football.
Get off Holgorsen cock and look around.
"While there were a few statistical improvements from year one to year two, there are still only 5 wins." A little disingenuous to say the least. Five wins so far with a bowl ahead and favored by over a TD. Two games were canceled against teams with a 2 - 3 and 3 - 5 records. That's likely 8 wins for a pretty good second year turnaround. Even if they blow one of them it's still 7 wins in the HC's 2nd season.
With things such as possibly the best recruiting class ever HCNB at least generated interest as a candidate for 2 SEC schools. I didn't see any former WVU coach mentioned, did you? Remember 'That 70s Show'? What Red oftentimes said to his son when he screwed up? In this case you would be Eric.
Life is so much simpler with #INSTABLOCK... I genuinely think he just wants to be an antagonist, just ignore and his words, his life will fade away to the nothingness that is trollboy...
Ahmarean Brown WR (GT)
Is now in the transfer portal. Not sure if you guys remember him, but we recruited him out of HS, his HS film is the closest to Tavon's as Ive seen, has a very similar skillset. Im not saying he will be the same as Austin, but just their skillsets are very similar. Extremely fast & shifty, def a big play threat, something we need to add to our O..
Is now in the transfer portal. Not sure if you guys remember him, but we recruited him out of HS, his HS film is the closest to Tavon's as Ive seen, has a very similar skillset. Im not saying he will be the same as Austin, but just their skillsets are very similar. Extremely fast & shifty, def a big play threat, something we need to add to our O..
Lamp & Mallinger will probably play CB, its probably their easiest path to the NFL, given size & speed, and given we need to add length at CB position anyways, thats probably the path of least res... Pranther is a beast of a WR, and we got two good TE's, but we still need a game-breaker type of player. Take a look at his HS film, I promise you'll be impressed... I think his skillset would help diversify the arsenal in this class nicely, he's def a ankle breaker type of player, he just makes other players look foolish.. Brown needs to add more speed on Offense too, outside of James & Wright we dont have many pure playmakers, someone who can turn a quick screen into an 80 yrd TD type of player. A.Brown is def that type, again take a few mins and watch his film, you wont be disappointed.
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I think you may be selling BFW short. If the line protects better and the passes are a bit more accurate he and our TEs could be a handful. And they are definitely looking for a WR that’s a playmaker on the transfer market. But this is a good year to do just that. We are on a roll. LGM!
Holgorsens last recruiting class was ranked # 35. Brown,s first recruiting class is rated #37 in the same service. His first class was rated #48.
I see that you are into coach worship but honestly, if you have to try to make bs up to declare an improvement you are probably trying too hard.
And I think you are here to blow smoke up peoples @$$.
Next year when Brown has five wins again well see who “ fades away into nothingness.”
just like much of the “Anyone can step in and immediately do better” crowd.
Nothing disengeuous about facts. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant.
WVU was going to be destroyed more than likely by Oklahoma which would have been 6 losses, five wins in 11 games. To pretend WVU would be favored or even have been in that game when Brown was absolutely destroyed by ISu the week before is laughable.
The other game was FSU- which by their standards had a bad year, but they also beat a very good then undefeated North Carolina.
More than disengenuous to pretend Brown would have been able to get a win in either of those games. More than likely 5-7.
And in a normal year, five wins would not get Brown into a bowl- only reason WVU is playing this year is because they changed the rules to allow a five win team in, and WVU canceled the obliteration that OU was about to put on Brown so he had a slightly better than .500 record.
Army won 9 games but are a G5 program so WVU should be favored being a P5 program. But well see if they get the win to finish at .500.
Again, where are all the mouths proclaiming 7,8,10 wins didnt cut it at WVU? Now you are declaring 5 wins two seasons in a row to be ok and making up wins that didnt happen? Really?
As to Holgorsen there are hundreds of coaches that werent sought this year, and Brown and Lyons said he wasnt either, was just rumors. But why werent Ryan Day, Nick Saban, or Dabo offered? How about Fickell at Cincinnati? Nice deflection but has nothing to do with WVU where Holgorsen did pretty well considering an early takeover, actually depleted team, a change to a major conference half a country away and no support back home. Still ranked as the second best coach at WVU behind only Don Nehlen whereas Brown is next to last.
Another 5 win season and giving this guy a contract with four years left will look pretty stupid.
But you can count the likely losses now:
at Maryland
VT
Texas
OU
ISU
Ok St
and probably at least one of kSU, T Tech, Baylor or TCU.
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Really? You think VT and Maryland are sure losses after they lose huge parts of their team to the portal monster. And Nestor will bring their (VT’s) plays. We play Texas and Oklahoma St. at home so I like us in those games too. But I’ll at least wait to see what happens with Covid and what we do with our last open schollys before forming an opinion those games. If we get a great LB, DL and WR from the transfer market and keep Tykee, I see a really good 2021 for Ws.
I have no clue how you can predict Ws & Ls with all the uncertainty that is still out there. So, based on this staff’s past ability to keep players and recruits in the fold, I’m keeping an open mind at least until the dust settles in early summer to see how our ooponets fare in holding their own rosters together.
Troll boy lives in an alternate universe, I recall once he said Brown had a recruiting class ranked approx 45th or so, that would mean he thinks the 2019 class was Browns first class. So upon arriving in January, getting a 45th class, would be a bad-*** job by any coach... That was DH's last class, Brown had to re-recruit to get them to not request a right to negate the LOI's...
Browns first class was 2020, anybody centered in reality sees that, just like anybody centered in reality sees how many conference games did DH win in his first two BIG12 seasons?
I dont even reply to him anymore, the more you respond the more dumb **** thats posted in the forum, when you remove a reactive property, no reaction occurs, and thats all he's here for, to stoke a negative reaction and try to start some type of negative perception of Brown. He never answers with regard to how did that badass 2018 team & Program that DH built do vs ****** Syracuse.... How many points did that Elite program score? How is that great coach doing in Houston? Hows he recruiting down there surrounded by all that talent? HAHA, he just got his **** pushed in by a 3 win group of 22 surfers, oh wait 4 wins now... bruh. Also, how well did DH do the season after he lost Geno & Company? Kinda like losing Grier & Company, right... Logic does not compute because hes programmed for a specific purpose. Right now, he;s reading 0's......
Secretly, hes a Pitt, Marshall, or VT fan and hates us because we have a better coach...
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I could sit here and name all of these wins or losses. You have no idea what any team will look like in the future. Until you get over your hate for Brown and your sucking pole of Holgorsen then you will never be taken seriously TVZ.
Did you seriously just compare DH to Dabo, Saban and Day? you really are Dana. Have a red bull and a line...
The trolls are the ones blowing smoke up peoples @$$ as they desperately try to defend two straight 5 win seasons, or tell people two years in DH is to blame for Brown not being able to coach at the P 5 level successfully.
A couple years back they were telling everyone WVU needed to get rid of its coach because his 8 win and 10 win seasons werent good enough, and now lower rated recruiting classes are better, 5 win seasons are ok. People should wait a decade for this to get turned around.
these people are from alternate universe.
A couple years back they were telling everyone WVU needed to get rid of its coach because his 8 win and 10 win seasons werent good enough, and now lower rated recruiting classes are better, 5 win seasons are ok. People should wait a decade for this to get turned around.
these people are from alternate universe.
Well let’s just go the same direction on your guy. To be an ultra successful P5 coach, racking a school’s second most wins in a state that doesn’t have a lot of D-1 players, dropped down to a G5 school that has a Hypesman trophy quarterback and the school is located in a talent rich state do the last 2 years.
Certainly this great offensive minded / outstanding recruiter has upped the win total that the previous guy got fired over.
Can you explain why Houston is a dumpster fire dropping off the map and WVU is trending up in win percentage and recruiting rankings with such a dope head coach?
Certainly this great offensive minded / outstanding recruiter has upped the win total that the previous guy got fired over.
Can you explain why Houston is a dumpster fire dropping off the map and WVU is trending up in win percentage and recruiting rankings with such a dope head coach?