Welcome to college Tyler Russell....
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for him to realize that he was playing college football. I'm sure he's never thrown an interception in PRACTICE before in his life. From all accounts Tyler is a very humble guy, so I doubt this misstep brought him crumbling down from the mountain of awesomeness he had placed himself on. We're talkin' bout practice, man....practice.
he is so over hyped it's ridiculous. Look at him now, throwing pick 6's in practice. We should cut him and save everyone the embarrassment.
I'm backin ya up on this one C34... Don't think it was as much a stab at Russell as it was at Washington...
Pretty sure C34 knows how lucky we are (hopefully will be) to have Russell and is not putting him down after just his 3rd college practice...
Pretty sure C34 knows how lucky we are (hopefully will be) to have Russell and is not putting him down after just his 3rd college practice...
first of all, I hope we can redshirt him- it would be the best case scenario for all. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen. That said, despite this interception, I really like the fact that he is willing to stay after practice to work on things and I really like the fact that we have a coach that has a history of developing QB's.
I've questioned our QB's work ethic and coaching in the past, and apparently it was justified. It seems like we have never had a staff- not Jackie, who almost made Dan Marino a second rounder, and certainly not Croom, that seemed to understand the importance of the position and/or how to coach it.
If there's anything I like about Mullen it's his history with QB's. I like that he was pissed off at Tyson Lee, Croom's boy, for not throwing enough in the offseason, and then Lee correcting it. I have no doubt that McCorvey and Croom would have royally screwed up Tyler Russell, and he would end up a Tupelo ____ arena QB.
I've questioned our QB's work ethic and coaching in the past, and apparently it was justified. It seems like we have never had a staff- not Jackie, who almost made Dan Marino a second rounder, and certainly not Croom, that seemed to understand the importance of the position and/or how to coach it.
If there's anything I like about Mullen it's his history with QB's. I like that he was pissed off at Tyson Lee, Croom's boy, for not throwing enough in the offseason, and then Lee correcting it. I have no doubt that McCorvey and Croom would have royally screwed up Tyler Russell, and he would end up a Tupelo ____ arena QB.
Russell will have a year under his belt in Mullen's system and he'll have a host of talented receivers to throw to. Add Cam Newton into that mix and State will be pretty deadly on offense if the line steps up and a back like Elliot can be servicable catching the football out of the backfield.
I'd be afraid to throw Russell into the fire with the schedule you have this year. There are just too many things that can go wrong when you rush someone on to the biggest stage in college football. Even Leake looked bad as a true freshman.
I'd be afraid to throw Russell into the fire with the schedule you have this year. There are just too many things that can go wrong when you rush someone on to the biggest stage in college football. Even Leake looked bad as a true freshman.
what would you put on the field? a player with limited ability and some experience or a player with great ability and no experience.
(this hypothetical situation doesn't necessarily describe Lee and Russell as I don't yet know if Russell has "great ability")
(this hypothetical situation doesn't necessarily describe Lee and Russell as I don't yet know if Russell has "great ability")
You've got a killer schedule this year, and a lot of young talent. Most are predicting less than 5 wins. You've got a decent returning QB (a midget, but a midge with talent). Next year, with a RS under his belt, Russell could lead y'all to some nice wins. This year, I would think everyone would agree that he's not going to make a difference in the W-L column because he's a freshman.
jackstefano said:
And behind that Oline, he may get broken in half.
I'd redshirt dude, let the Oline get more experience, and let Relf take the second string snaps. Then Relf could be Russell's backup next year and your line would be a little more solid.
and that it will become too obvious to ignore that Russell ain't ready for prime time. Why in the hell would we stick his *** out there when there's not a [borrowing from rebheadedstranger] ****'s hair's chance we're winning more than 4 with or without his ***.
REDSHIRT RUSSELL'S *** MFERS!
REDSHIRT RUSSELL'S *** MFERS!
A. I think Tyson Lee can get the job done, while having special packages added in for Relf. Only thing to worry about Lee is him staying healthy
B. Bringing along Russell too fast can hurt his confidence. Traditionally, true freshman SEC QB's havent fared very well
I like what LSU did last year- gave Lee every chance to be the QB in order to let his Freshman QB grow and mature. At the end of the season, if we are in bowl contention, let Lee keep playing. If not, let Russell have the last 2 games.
B. Bringing along Russell too fast can hurt his confidence. Traditionally, true freshman SEC QB's havent fared very well
I like what LSU did last year- gave Lee every chance to be the QB in order to let his Freshman QB grow and mature. At the end of the season, if we are in bowl contention, let Lee keep playing. If not, let Russell have the last 2 games.
1. Russell is the savior.
2. People are impatient.
3. People have unrealistic expectations for him as a true FR.
4. People have no confidence in Lee.
I agree with you though. If we can possibly get through this season without using him, it'd be better for both him and for MSU football in the long run. I think he's going to be a hell of a QB for us, but he would be a hell of a lot better as a 5th year SR in 2013 than as a true FR in 2009.
2. People are impatient.
3. People have unrealistic expectations for him as a true FR.
4. People have no confidence in Lee.
I agree with you though. If we can possibly get through this season without using him, it'd be better for both him and for MSU football in the long run. I think he's going to be a hell of a QB for us, but he would be a hell of a lot better as a 5th year SR in 2013 than as a true FR in 2009.
I have more confidence in him under Mullen. I hope he does well enough to redshirt Russell. And I hope Relf is utilized in a limited way. If they both bomb and Russell makes strong progress in practice, I think Russell plays. At some point anyway.patdog said:
so I'll ask again, would you play a newcomer with great talent or a vet with limited ability?
I remember Barry Switzer saying that he'd take talent over experience every time. He also said that talent can get experience but experience can't get talent, or something to that effect. Switzer also played the only true freshman to qb his team to a national title, know who? All things considered, I think I'm probably in the Switzer camp.
I remember Barry Switzer saying that he'd take talent over experience every time. He also said that talent can get experience but experience can't get talent, or something to that effect. Switzer also played the only true freshman to qb his team to a national title, know who? All things considered, I think I'm probably in the Switzer camp.
If I have LSU talent, and we have the best RB's in the conference with a very good OL, then I'd probably go with the Talent.futaba said:
But when i have a mediocre OL and no experienced WR's- i'm going to keep the Talent out of there as long as I can. Let the experienced Sr keep the reigns while you let the young guys gel and adjust. This season is about building for the future. And putting a passing QB into an offense with no experienced WR's just isnt very bright
I used to think this too. I changed my mind though. Unless Russell is a once in a generation type player, then you have to hope and believe that somewhere in the next two or three years Mullen will find another excellent quarterback to replace Russell. I guess part of me is tired of planning for five years down the road in his redshirt senior season. I want the best guys on the field NOW. I mean, not in Arecto Clark fashion. Just decide in the next month if you are going to play him or redshirt him, and if you are going to play him, get him some snaps against J State and even against Auburn and go from there. He's certainly the leading candidate to start next year, so if he doesn't play in game action this year, he's still not going to know what game speed is next year.Todd4State said:
i don't know why everyone has such a fascination with redshirting TR and conner. TR will be the starting QB next year and Conner will be splitting carries with Elliot (or be the feature back if Elliot can't keep the job). I'm all for both of them getting as much PT as possible this year so that they're not totally inexperienced when they're leading the offense. redshirting and going through practice for a year is nowhere near as good as getting in some real game experience. This year is a throw-away year for the most part. So let's get them out there and prepare for next year when we may actually have a chance.
Coach34 said:
Tim Tebow- "The greatest college football player ever" according to ESPN and a Heisman winner was a role player his True Fr. year at Florida, which had a ton of talent.
Matthew Stafford- First pick of the NFL draft, struggled as a true Fr. at Georgia.
The last true Fr. QB I can remember coming in and doing well, and even he didn't start right away, was Peyton Manning, who is one of the greatest QB's in NFL history.
I like Tyler Russell. I think he can be good. I don't know that he will be as good as the guys I just mentioned- he probably won't, in all reality, and if that's the case, with the talent that we do have, it's prudent to RS him.
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Exactly. I have no clue why people can't get this through their skulls. Russell should only hit the field in two situations 1) disaster recovery or 2) he's the second coming of Joe Montana (even he was lost in the Notre Dame depth charts until well into his college years I might add).
Plus, I think most are forgetting the potential that Relf could have in this system. He has, by far, the best legs of any QB we have. And, he should be durable with his frame. I think his athleticism potentially causes match-up problems in our system if he can figure out how to hit the broad side of a barn. Why write him off at this point?
Russell only goes in after Lee gets hurt and Relf folds. I know it hurts those who had this grandeur mental image of our true FR QB stepping onto campus and turning our program around. But, it rarely happens that way.
The best long-term situation is for Lee and Relf to get us through this year while our WR's, backs, and OL get comfortable with the new system, and for us to enjoy some improvement on the offensive side of the ball. Next year we have a MUCH friendlier schedule and should have alot of experience (especially OL experience) returning. That's when you debut TR.
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Exactly. I have no clue why people can't get this through their skulls. Russell should only hit the field in two situations 1) disaster recovery or 2) he's the second coming of Joe Montana (even he was lost in the Notre Dame depth charts until well into his college years I might add).
Plus, I think most are forgetting the potential that Relf could have in this system. He has, by far, the best legs of any QB we have. And, he should be durable with his frame. I think his athleticism potentially causes match-up problems in our system if he can figure out how to hit the broad side of a barn. Why write him off at this point?
Russell only goes in after Lee gets hurt and Relf folds. I know it hurts those who had this grandeur mental image of our true FR QB stepping onto campus and turning our program around. But, it rarely happens that way.
The best long-term situation is for Lee and Relf to get us through this year while our WR's, backs, and OL get comfortable with the new system, and for us to enjoy some improvement on the offensive side of the ball. Next year we have a MUCH friendlier schedule and should have alot of experience (especially OL experience) returning. That's when you debut TR.
We have an overachieving walk-on as a starter, a backup that can't hit the broadside of a barn, and a true freshman that I wish we could RS and bring along slowly next season. Then there's the question of who will they throw to. If there was one area Croom was worse at than gameday coaching it was recruiting.
I am going to be optimistic (is that allowed here) and say that Mullen (or his replacement) will be able to pull in capable quarterbacks beyond just Tyler Russell. Ideally, this is how it would play out.
2009 - Lee and Russell
2010 - Russell starts, Relf backs up and right now, no freshman QB committed
2011 - Russell starts, Relf back us and redshirt the freshman QB we better sign
2012 - Russell starts and give snaps to redshirt freshman QB and redshirt another true freshman
2013 - Redshirt sophomore starts, redshirt freshman backs up and redshirt another true freshman
2014 - Redshirt junior starts and the others battle for the backup
and on and on and on
Unless Russell is so good that we will NEVER sign another quarterback like him, then there is no reason to save him. Surely there is a high school sophomore somewhere now who will eventually sign with State and be ready to start in 2013.
2009 - Lee and Russell
2010 - Russell starts, Relf backs up and right now, no freshman QB committed
2011 - Russell starts, Relf back us and redshirt the freshman QB we better sign
2012 - Russell starts and give snaps to redshirt freshman QB and redshirt another true freshman
2013 - Redshirt sophomore starts, redshirt freshman backs up and redshirt another true freshman
2014 - Redshirt junior starts and the others battle for the backup
and on and on and on
Unless Russell is so good that we will NEVER sign another quarterback like him, then there is no reason to save him. Surely there is a high school sophomore somewhere now who will eventually sign with State and be ready to start in 2013.