Mullins said if Russell is cleared to play then he will get the start and he is confident he will be cleared for game. Im glad he is recovering but i really wanted to see Dak. we dont have the O-line for Russell to be successful.http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130909/SPORTS030102/309090013/
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I think the consensus is starting to become that Russell is actually a decent to good QB but his lack of mobility is extremely detrimental behind an offensive line that can't block a girl scout troop. With the receivers and RB's we have now I would love to see what Russell could do if he had a line that could hold a block more than two seconds.
That is what makes being a State fan so infuriating. We are always just one or two pieces away from being very good. Back during Jackie's tenure we had a line that could block a herd of charging elephants and elite RB's but no QB to make the defense play honest. Now we still have elite RB's to go with a possibly elite QB but we have no offensive line to give him time to do anything other than start wondering where the hit is coming from by the time he gets his grip on the ball. It is kind of hard to do your progressions down the field when you are constantly dodging 320lbs DT's coming at you unhindered.
That makes Dak our best option because he does have some mobility and can evade the pressure after the inevitable jail break up front. I hate if for Tyler but it is what it is, unfortunately.
That is what makes being a State fan so infuriating. We are always just one or two pieces away from being very good. Back during Jackie's tenure we had a line that could block a herd of charging elephants and elite RB's but no QB to make the defense play honest. Now we still have elite RB's to go with a possibly elite QB but we have no offensive line to give him time to do anything other than start wondering where the hit is coming from by the time he gets his grip on the ball. It is kind of hard to do your progressions down the field when you are constantly dodging 320lbs DT's coming at you unhindered.
That makes Dak our best option because he does have some mobility and can evade the pressure after the inevitable jail break up front. I hate if for Tyler but it is what it is, unfortunately.
Semi agree, except I don't know that Russell has an internal clock either, which hurt us even when the O-line was keeping them off of him. On more than one occasion against OSU he stood almost statuesque for a considerable number of seconds and didn't move until the defensive guy hit him. And that was with me screaming at the TV. Who know how long he would've stood there without my help!***
I've decided that Tyler can be an excellent qb about, 1 out of every 3 or 4 plays. We've all seen him just thread the needle between defenders w/ alot of mojo on the ball and then come back the next 3 plays and overthrow/underthrow, bounce it, or stand there w/ stone feet and take the sack. Like everybody says w/ a decent line and a little time he may could be awesome but not here and not now. He's obviously a great kid, good family, not going to get a DUI or rape charge, etc, etc but I just don't see him as a winning qb anymore, too one dimensional.
I honestly think Russell won't play and Mullen is just avoiding the question of a QB controversy another week. I have no inside knowledge but that's my guess.
I don't agree with your conclusion there in the third paragraph. For the sake of argument, let's say that Dak can't make the throws. That's the same as the statement you said about Jackie's years of not having a serviceable quarterback most years. To think Dak or any of our RBs can avoid the pressure of 8 in the box with our duct tape OL is fantasy - pure and simple.
This part is unacceptable in my mind. The whole 2010 OL recruiting class seems to suck, and the JUCOs we brought in to help them seem to suck. Either that or Hevesy straight sucks at developing them. I mean they are all Jrs. and Srs., they should at least be serviceable by now. We know he can somewhat coach when he has talent, see 2009 and 2010. But now he's running off talent, see Donald Hawkins and Deon Mix. People hate the mfer.
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His 'not talking about injuries' policy is understandable, but damn sure frustrating to fans who just want to know the state of the team. I get why you do it, you also don't want your players thinking about it too. Also want the opposing team to have to prepare for multiple things. But my curiosity is getting the best of me on the Tobias Smith deal and the QB situation, I admit.
You just can't compare Tyler vs. a top 15 team to Dak vs. Alcorn State. If Dak had played the whole game last week it would have been 42-0. He stares at his receivers for like 15 seconds before he throws the ball.
I do agree that Russell isn't cut out for a team without an O-line. I disagree that Dak would be any better.
I do agree that Russell isn't cut out for a team without an O-line. I disagree that Dak would be any better.
To be fair, no QB is cut out for a team without an OL. Those teams typically go 3-9.
So who ultimately clears Russell? The trainers and doctors or the coaches? I'm just asking if only because of this Chronicle of Higher Education article from last week...
I think both QBs should play early then you make a decision
on who has the hotter hand- then play them all of the second half. I honestly think Dak fits Mullen's system better when the right plays are called, but to bench Tyler and tell him we don't need him anymore is not the solution either. Remember in 2011 our offense was sputtering against UAB and we were losing 3-0 at half . Chris Relf couldn't lead the offense to a first down. Tyler Russell relieves Relf in the 2nd half and we win 21-3. Obviously UAB prepared for Relf all week. Tyler comes in and opens up the offense and UAB had no answer. The same principles could be applied to our offense this year. Play the QB that the defense allows you to play.
on who has the hotter hand- then play them all of the second half. I honestly think Dak fits Mullen's system better when the right plays are called, but to bench Tyler and tell him we don't need him anymore is not the solution either. Remember in 2011 our offense was sputtering against UAB and we were losing 3-0 at half . Chris Relf couldn't lead the offense to a first down. Tyler Russell relieves Relf in the 2nd half and we win 21-3. Obviously UAB prepared for Relf all week. Tyler comes in and opens up the offense and UAB had no answer. The same principles could be applied to our offense this year. Play the QB that the defense allows you to play.
In my opinion, it is the correct call. The numbers were quoted in the article for a direct comparison as
Russell completed 10 of 16 passes against Oklahoma State. Prescott finished the game 7 of 17 for 89 yards. The sophomore followed it up completing 12 of 19 passes for 174 yards and two scores against Alcorn State, an FCS opponent who went 4-7 last year.
Against the same defense, Russell completed more passes for more yards and the offense had several decent drives in the first half before stalling due to mental errors, dropped passes and questionable offensive play calling. Russell has earned his spot, but I think there is a lot of room for enthusiasm for Dak as his future looks very bright with MSU.
As noted, our problem lies in our inability to control the line of scrimmage on offense and defense. When we do, then we are a good football team. When we don't, then we aren't very good. Frankly, despite our blowout of ASU, I was still very disappointed in only recording 1 sack in a game where they were forced to throw the ball alot. Our DBs did a good job for the most part, and we got a little pressure with 4-5 hurries, but our DL needs step up as well as the OL noted in by the previous posters.
Russell completed 10 of 16 passes against Oklahoma State. Prescott finished the game 7 of 17 for 89 yards. The sophomore followed it up completing 12 of 19 passes for 174 yards and two scores against Alcorn State, an FCS opponent who went 4-7 last year.
Against the same defense, Russell completed more passes for more yards and the offense had several decent drives in the first half before stalling due to mental errors, dropped passes and questionable offensive play calling. Russell has earned his spot, but I think there is a lot of room for enthusiasm for Dak as his future looks very bright with MSU.
As noted, our problem lies in our inability to control the line of scrimmage on offense and defense. When we do, then we are a good football team. When we don't, then we aren't very good. Frankly, despite our blowout of ASU, I was still very disappointed in only recording 1 sack in a game where they were forced to throw the ball alot. Our DBs did a good job for the most part, and we got a little pressure with 4-5 hurries, but our DL needs step up as well as the OL noted in by the previous posters.
Boom goes the dynamite.
If he said "Dak will start" Dak would get a standing ovation from fans and the message boards would be lighting up even more than they are now about how Russell sucks and Dak is awesome.
If he said "Russell will start" we'd hear nonstop about how Mullen sucks, Russell sucks, we're going to lose, I'm done watching the season... blah blah blah.
Honestly sort of a lose lose situation on the PR/internal conflict front. Just make up some ******** about how Russell is the 5th year senior starter and deserves to start but might not be able to. Pisses 0% of people off and doesn't give any poster board material to asswipes who document that kind of stuff like Kiffin. Do any MSU fans truly believe Mullen would rather play Russell? I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Mullen was gift wrapped this QB he doesn't want to play but has to.
I fully expect to not hear another word from Mullen until Friday or Saturday on this. At least that's how it should be played. We gave auburn plenty of film to force them to legitimately have to gameplan for 2, even 3 quarterbacks. Make them wonder who is starting.
You must not have watched the osu game Daks first drive would have scored a td except penalties and field goal missed he also converted more 4th down conversions than Tyler did third down conversions the whole third quarter. Your retarded do your research Daks the most respected plAyer on the team and a winner.
And What about the interception and 2 dropped interceptions and no third down conversions the third quarter.