All three winning bowl teams today are scoring at 40+ points again today...haven't they gotten the memo from this site that defense is much more important than offense if you are going to win...they will never learn I guess
Well...They Are Doing It Again Today
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Well, the winning teams are also playing good D, so I'm not sure what your point is exactly.
Always love the "this site" or "you all said" kind of reference. News flash, this is a heavily trafficked site, ton of posters with differing takes. None of this generic accusation stuff, if something someone said is notable, say who it was specifically.
Every one of them played solid D & really limited their opponents TOP except for Ohio Sate against Notre Dame.
Even so, how is the OP suggesting that we score 30+? Solid Defense combined with Eddie Gran & Darin Hinshaw, an older roster and improved recruiting? That would be my suggestion.
Even so, how is the OP suggesting that we score 30+? Solid Defense combined with Eddie Gran & Darin Hinshaw, an older roster and improved recruiting? That would be my suggestion.
WC...being saying this for a long time..even said something to MS on his show early in the season and of course he totally disagreed and he coaches like he is a non believer...ck scores of these bowl games and tell me I'm not right. If you are not scoring 30+ a game you are not winning the biggest majority of the ti eof the time
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The real answer is this battle is really simple. It takes BOTH to win big.
But which do you think is most important in today's college fb...even Alabama has to outscore a team occasionally, why do you think he went out and got Kiffen. He lobbied hard against these hurry up offenses and couldn't win the argument
How many points did Michigan St. score against Bama?
You can still win a game if your offense doesn't score a point. I'll take a top ranked dominant defense over top ranked offense every time.
You can still win a game if your offense doesn't score a point. I'll take a top ranked dominant defense over top ranked offense every time.
So do you think that defense cost us the game against Otis and Fla this year...I tried to bet a buddy of mine $20 at half of the Otis game that if we did not score 10pts second half we lose...2 fds 0 pts
We lost to Louisville because boom and kemp both got hurt. I like Horton but if we woulda just had kemp, I still like our chances in that game.
Boston College had the #1 ranked defense in the country...what bowl did they play in. They finished 3-9...this isn't your daddy's or grandpa's college fb and hell I'm a grandpa of seven and can see that:football::football::sunglasses::smiley:
I don't wanna call you a liar or be rude and tbh, I'm too lazy to look that up. Can you post a link to back that stat up because I'm baffled they could have had that ranking.
No one watching them would choose to have theibe defense over Bamas
Don't say it has to be hurry up just potent. Ala had 12 games this year they scored 30+ pts...by the way Stanford is up 28-0 on lowa with 14 mins left in the SECOND quarter
Not against UF, but against UL, the offense and defense cost us. What about the MSU, UT, and UGA games? We lost those because our offense was horrible and our defense got gassed.
So again, it takes both to win big. You can win some by one or the other. But to sustain a winning tradition and win big games, you have to have both.
It is true and you can go look it up , and I agree on Ala defense and Ala might be the only team in the country that would be immune to this, but they scored 37 on Miss and lost
We should of hired Bo by! Just saying dude flat out wins games. Stopps will never beat him.Like it or not IDGAF!
That would be great if we ere Ala, but I think at KENTUCKY we must take the Baylor, Oregon , insert other teams approach if we are ever going to win on a consistent basis...and as I Ave said before for those of you who are EVER expecting this program to be Bama ...just give it up now
35-0...know you meant Stanford...UK'S D was mainly responsible for 21 first half pts against Otis when if the offense had done anything the first half we my have had 35-40 first half pts
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There are others who could do this job and win here. BP is a scumbag piece of shi$ but he does win and he is more than likely black balled by the sec
Well, I think my sarcastic answer shows that I believe in a good defense, is that not obvious? You have to be strong on both sides of the ball, but if you can stop offenses from scoring it sure takes the pressure off the O
I certainly don't think we are going to be Alabama. As bad as that pains me as I would love to be able to talk trash about football like those I grew up around in Alabamahave done to me.
However, I do think a strong defensive mind is good for our program as well. Again, I feel we need both. With Mumme, we had all offense and couldn't get it done and with the joker Yeats at OC we couldn't get it done. Why? Because we could score points, but couldn't stop anyone either. To me, losing 50-30 isn't any better than losing 30-10. Still a 20 PT loss.
Michigan only gave up 7 points, UT only gave up 6, and Iowa is being shut out at halftime. I guess D does still win games. These teams didn't need 40 to win because their D won the game for them.
So you are one of those that thinks you can bring a defense first attitude to KENTUCKY and recruit the players who can be like Ala? Never going to happen!!. It is much easier to build from the other side and that is why the teams I mentioned do it that way. Like I said we are NEVER going to be Ala , and by the way that is probably the dream of every sec team, but how is that working out for them...Get this old man to 7-5..8-4..9-3 teams every year that are competitive and I will be a happy tail gater!!...Only caveat. NEVER, EVER lose to Otis!!!!..LOL
This is KENTUCKY man are you not getting my point...Those teams recruit the best players in the country and that is only one game look at their entire schedule.
If that's what you are trying to say then I see why Stoops would disagree. He's a defensive coach, they are never supposed to go into any contest thinking they can't stop an offense if they have the right game plan in place. So if Stoops agreed with you I'd be worried about the leadership. You can't coach something and not believe it yourself, it comes across fony to players and they don't believe you. So you have to believe that with the right game plan you can stop any offense.
Where in this post have I mentioned I want anything like Mumme did it. I'm also in favor of good defense and I personally think the defense played good enough defense this year to win eight games if the offense had done anything to help. averaging 17-18 points a game in the sec is not going to win at KENTUCKY...All I'm asking is give me an up tempo O that can score 30+ points a game and I think we can be a pretty good fb program...Guess it goes without saying that I DO NOT think that MS believes this because he is too eaten up with ball control because of his defensive philosophy
Again...A game plan on defense is not working at KENTUCKY unless you can recruit the players to do it. Therein lies the problem...Like I said even Saban changed his ways when he saw he couldn't put an end to the up tempo offenses by bitching about them.
Alabama. #2 defense. #51 offense
Michigan state. #26 defense. #73 offense
Clemson. #8 defense. #11 offense
Oklahoma. #39 defense. #4 offense
Iowa. #19 defense. #69 offense
Stanford. #45 defense. #40 offense
Ohio State. #10 defense. #43 offense.
More often than not, you got to have defense.
Michigan state. #26 defense. #73 offense
Clemson. #8 defense. #11 offense
Oklahoma. #39 defense. #4 offense
Iowa. #19 defense. #69 offense
Stanford. #45 defense. #40 offense
Ohio State. #10 defense. #43 offense.
More often than not, you got to have defense.
I never said you wanted Mumme. Was just providing an example of why I think we need both to win consistently and big. We scored 30+ points with Mumme and the Joker led offense under Brooks. Yet, we were still bad under Mumme and average at best with Brooks. That is all I was saying.
Why should recruiting rankings matter in Saguaro Cat's analysis? IMO, recruiting rankings are a directional predictor of future success but there is obviously not a perfect correlation. The ranking in SC's posts reflect the composite talent AND coaching achieved by that particular team.
Ole Miss 34-6 at the HALF...think our staff would EVER dream of running that last pl?ay