Iowa was #58 last year, #59 year before last, #53 in 2013 and #43 in 2012.
Michigan St #22 both last year and year before last, #40 in 2013, #41 in 2012
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Well...They Are Doing It Again Today
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Michigan St #22 both last year and year before last, #40 in 2013, #41 in 2012
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The #2 team in points per game just got beat by 29 points, by a 8-3 SEC team that was only #44 in PPG.
The #8 team in points per game (10-2) is currently getting beat by a 9-3 SEC team, by 35 points.
What about either of those scenarios would make anybody feel confident that a high powered offense is the biggest key to winning in the SEC?
The #8 team in points per game (10-2) is currently getting beat by a 9-3 SEC team, by 35 points.
What about either of those scenarios would make anybody feel confident that a high powered offense is the biggest key to winning in the SEC?
Was socked that LSU scored that any pts, but Ole Miss and Freeze most certainly run a high octane offense with lots of trick stuff in it
I totally agree, but what about Kingsbury & Gundy? Aren't they supposed to be offensive gurus? Yet, both have been dominated by SEC teams with 3 losses.
Again, I don't see how a high powered O is the sole recipe for success in the SEC.
Brooks went to 4 bowl games and he only
had 1 offense that scored over 30 ppg. The 2008 bowl team actually avgeraged less than 23 ppg.
IMHO, you better be able to play defense and have an offense that can also score some points. I think that Stoops is working towards that, especially with the hiring of Gran & Hinshaw.
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I DID NOT say sole reciepe!!!...earlier I stated that I thought the defense played well enough defense to win 7-8 games this year and last but the offense did not hold up its end...Listen, with me my problem is that I think MS has badly mismanaged his involvement with the offense with both NB & SD ...I hope he gets the hell out of Gran's way and let him do his thing and concentrate on the defense
I think the bottom line of what Sluggers trying to say is the team with the most points will usually have a better chance to win the game in most cases..... He could be on to something there and it's at least something Stoops and staff should consider as a strategy IMO.
Which means nothing unless your D can hold them to fewer points than youve scored. All 3 phases of the game are important.
Excellent point. Against the SEC, you cant run the spread unless you have an athletic QB whos a threat with his legs; and a spread option aspect to the offense. Otherwise, defenses are just too talented and well coached against only a spread passing attack.
A good defense will limit the other team's possessions and give your offense more chances to score. Good lord. You need a competent offense because sure, you will run into teams that can score but teams you see with great offenses typically don't have great defenses. UK had neither. That's why we went 5-7 and had 4 blowout losses
But it's not all D just look at Florida when they lost their QB they were crap on O but their D was good. Also Vandy, Northwestern and Missouri all had very good D's without an O. NW was just lucky they played a weak schedule, if they were in the SEC they wouldn't have been in a bowl.
Bottom line is you have to have ballance.
Hopefully next year we will get a chance to see, but I must say I'm not real optimistic...going into my missouri mode. Will be at every game home and away and cheering my head off ...maybe we'll revisit this this again then ,but I'm just saying that by looking at the bowl games and recent history I don't like the direction we are headed in
We were up 24-7 at the half on otis...the second half we scored ZERO pts. And had like 2-3 first downs...an offense that either scores pts or moves the the chains is what limits other teams possessions not defense if UK have mustered a decent offensive 2nd half Otis wouldn't have had the time to score enough pts...simple as that...you need to ck how many points UK scored in the sec and against otis...therein lies the problem...the defense played well enough this year to win 7-8 games
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Ok...I went to the last 15 NC games...in TEN og those games the winner scored 30 + points
Ok... I went back to the last 15 NC games...the winner scored 30+ pts to win the game. This year Ala is averaging 32.7...Clemson 37.5...guess we shall see on the 11th ...by the way , go check to see what UK'S record would have been this year scoring 30+ ppg..peace out
I said you need a competent offense, something UK didn't have this year. I agree, the defense played well enough to beat Vandy and maybe UL but that's not my argument. My argument is for UK to have sustained success in the SEC, you have to concentrate on defense over offense.
When you look at the bowl games the last couple of days with the SEC, the teams that won big had great defensive efforts that gave their offense more possessions. Sure, a Chip Kelly could come in and be successful in the SEC but that guy isn't coming to UK so I think UK has to go the more traditional route.
So you don't think MS is concentrating on defense over offense already...really?...the offense scored 9 vs fla..3 vs Ga..17 vs Vandy plus if the offense had done just decent job of controlling the clock second half Otis dosen't get enough possessions to come back down 3 scores at half...and all the teams yesterday scored 40+ points...you don't think that didn't take pressure off the defense...I totally disagree with you in that the guy that wins AT KENTUCKY will be someone who believes in scoring points with a solid defense...we are NEVER going to have the talent to have defenses like Bama and the other guys like you dream of
Yikes. Of course I think Stoops is concentrating on defense. He's a former defensive coordinator. What I'm saying is to focus clearly on offense and just try to out score everybody doesn't consistently win in the SEC unless your name is Chip Kelly. Not even Mumme could win with an out score attitude.
I think you need to have a good offense and a solid defense. You're right, UK will never have a Bama like D but I don't expect them to. Have a middle of the pack defense and a solid offense is all I'm saying.
You keep trying to act like all these teams focus on nothing but offense by bringing up PPG. So much goes into how much a team scores per game. It can be field position, defense, and offense. If you watched yesterday's games, the SEC winners were scoring thanks to their defense helping putting their offense in scoring positions.
UK needs to improve both sides of the ball. You keep bringing up UL but if you're truthful with yourself, you would realize without the early turnovers UL would of blown us off the field. That shows UK lacks in both depts and that's why we got blown out as many times as we did
Good Post Kats, but I will disagree in that I think it is going to take an OUTSTANDING offense and a solid defense to win 7-9 games a year
Cats23...please read your last paragraph...who the hell in the country has had more coaches that concentrated more on defense and went the "traditional" route than at KENTUCKY and where are we today?...I'm ready for a different route to follow
Back at you....Otis's early tos were due to UK'S DEFENSE DOING THEIR PART...The defense did their job the first half and the offense scored ZERO pts and had TWO first downs the second half that gave otis Too MANY possessions the second half to score....if the offense controlled some clock and scored 7-10 pts second half UK wins
Don't get me wrong. I don't think we can run the ball and play defense and win. Points have to be put on the board but there's a variety of ways to do it and that starts with the defense. We can't continue to get gutted by teams particularly the ones that can get out and run with their QB like we saw with Miss St, UT, and UL. Because the SEC defenses are so tough, generally offense first teams sputter or they lose it in a shootout. At least that happened a lot when Mumme was here. I like what Gran ran at Cincy and hope he's allowed to run it here.
Your last sentence says it all...I don't give a damn how pts are scored I'm just saying I don't think you can win at UK --or most places --in today's game by playing traditional fb...like I posted earlier Ala is is a good 32.7 ppg and Clemson37.5 ...will be interesting to see if it is a defensive battle on the 11th...roll tide ..go sec
in the last game for an sec team before the NC game, looks like Ark-kst in another defensive struggle...:boxing::boxing::sunglasses:yea right
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I'm just picking Slugger. I agree to some extent that at UK you can't count on controlling line of scrimmages on both sides to grind it out so you do have to find a way to be a little more open in the offense.
That sure was one hell of a defensive job TCU put on Oregon the second half last night:boxing::boxing::smiley::sunglasses:
No ...you obviously dont...defense is no longer the main criteria for winning today...is it still important ...yes , but offenses have taken the college game and if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you
That's why we were winning the SEC every year when we were scoring a ton of points with Mumme? You guys truly amaze me.
Ask Alabama whether offense or defense wins championships.
First of all I have not said one damn word about Hal Mumme... but you need to get your head out of the sand or somewhere else and look around you at the landscape of college football... Almost every winning team that won a bowl game this year did so by scoring between 30 and 45 + points... And also you need to forget about Alabama... no body in the country is Alabama and we will never be Alabama nor have a defense like Alabama... Mark Stoops would sure like to have that how the hell is that working out for him and he has an offense that's average in 17 points a game in the Southeastern Conference... I'm not saying I do not want to have an excellent defensive team ,but you are not going to win football games at Kentucky without averaging 30 plus points a game... This year's defense played well enough to win eight football games if the offense has scored... let's see what happens the national championship game on the 11th... Alabama is averaging 33 points a game clemson is averaging right at 38...
If you have a defense, you don't have to score 30 points a game. I never said you mentioned Mumme. I was using that as an example to show you that no matter how high powered your offense is, you can't win games without a good defense. That style may not be popular with some of you, but it is what it is. We're never going to win games her without an above average defense.
Then we will never win...bring in a Mike Leach or Jeff Brohm and I like my chances