We will just have to agree to disagree. We all just want a winning team. Whether it be offense or defense that gets them there, I'll be happy
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We will just have to agree to disagree. We all just want a winning team. Whether it be offense or defense that gets them there, I'll be happy
Was that because of bad defenses, or really good offenses.. All i can say is you better have a defense good enough to keep teams from going on 12-15 play 6+ minute drives and have your offense standing on the sidelines. You also better have a offense able to move the ball and score to rest your defense... I think our defense played good enough to win 8 ball games this year. Our offense didnt. Which is why you have a new OC. Stoops is getting systems that put up points. His first two years he had the oc to do so but not the personal. The third year he had much better players but not a oc..
What do you think cost us the Vandy and Ots games...Offense or defense?...note : second half against Otis we had 0 pts ..2 1st downs
And our defense couldn't even so much as slow down UofL's QB, when he ran the SAME play, over and over. We sucked on both sides of the ball.
Won't disagree with you there... But if the offense had gotten 6 7 1st downs and 2nd half score Otis never has time to score that many points
That is certainly true. The offense and defense have to help each other out a little.
NC game ...how is that
NC game...45- 40...How is that defensive thingy working out for you defensive gurus?...30+ or get beat 80% of the time ...not your grandpa's college football
Numbers are just numbers. You can make them out to be anything you want.
If you play in a league that plays no defense most of the offenses in that confernce are going to be ranked high. If you play in a conference with weak offenses your D is going to look better on paper.
Tonight's game was the battle of offenses. Alabama's dominate D let Clemson score a ton of points on them and so did Clemson's.
If you did not have a good O in this game you just lost it. This was a very good game and a toss up on each team on who was the best. I know Bama won and that is all that matters but they took chances and won the game on those.
I think Clemson is slightly better over all and would more than likely win 2/3 against them. Their QB is legit.
If you play in a league that plays no defense most of the offenses in that confernce are going to be ranked high. If you play in a conference with weak offenses your D is going to look better on paper.
Tonight's game was the battle of offenses. Alabama's dominate D let Clemson score a ton of points on them and so did Clemson's.
If you did not have a good O in this game you just lost it. This was a very good game and a toss up on each team on who was the best. I know Bama won and that is all that matters but they took chances and won the game on those.
I think Clemson is slightly better over all and would more than likely win 2/3 against them. Their QB is legit.
And I guess the kicking game is defense?
So what's this thing called special teams all the announcers and coaches and even the winning coach was talking about tonight?
Yes...it is called special teams , but I think you can classify the receiving team as part if the offense since it can score pts receiving the ball and the kicking team as part of the defense because it is their job to keep the other team from scoring...that is why they use offensive players on the receiving team and defensive players on the kicking team who are the fastest and best tacklers...simple concept..
Wow...I think everybody would agree that Ala has maybe the most dominant D in the country , but still gave up 40 pts to an excellent offensive team AND its offense HAD to score 45 pts to win...KENTUCKY is never going to win trying to have dominant defenses and scoring 17-18 ppg and win...what more proof do some of you need...
You do realize did Alabama beat Clemson at their own game... Clemson was averaging 38 points a game and Alabama right at 32 and everyone said that Alabama's defense would shut them down... But the game tonight showed that the college game has changed and that it is much more important that you have a potent offense than it is to have a stout defense because so many other coaches today run uptempo high scoring offenses and you must keep up
Trust me, I do realize the game has changed. It's an offensive game now. But Bama has done it with defense. I still prefer a dominant defense, over a high powered offense. However, I do agree with your statement that we will never have a defense of that caliber, so our best chance is to probably just try to win in a good old fashioned shootout.
I guess I'm just old school. But my choice will always be defense, and I like my chances. But again, I totally understand your logic.
28 ...I am probably much older than you, but times have changed and UK,especially our HC, must change with it...just look at Saban, do you honestly think he liked that kind of game last night? Yet he has learned to play the game ...offenses , along with the players playing the game, have gotten so diverse that defenses can't stop them, but try to contain them and outscore them...both teams scored more than their seasonal scoring avgs and Saban pulled the onside kick out of his hat to gain a scoring lead that Clemson couldn't overcome...bet Bryant rolled over in his grave...LOL
So let me make sure I understand ... if a team punts the punt team is playing defense but if they fake a punt they are playing offense?
If a punt is a defensive play why is a fourth down punt the last play of an offensive series?
if the defense attempts to block a punt they are playing defense but if they return it they are playing offense?
So if a blocked punt of FG is returned for a TD is that a defensive/offensive play?
If the punt return (or KO return) is offense why isn't a punt return the first play listed in the offensive series instead of the first down play?
I'm not arguing I really want to understand this, cause if everything is either offense or defense I don't understand why return yardage is listed separately in the stats and just not combined up with the offensive yardage.
I am further confused when they said during the game that Bama had scored 10 non-offensive scores this year including Interceptions, KO returns, fumble returns, punt returns, blocked kicks, etc. Why did they call them that if they are truly offense?
And if it's all offense and defense then why do 12 of the 14 teams in the SEC have offensive, defensive and special teams coordinators - Nick pays his $440k by the way. Why has Stoops had two while he's been here but now has none? Is it because it's all offense or defense?
And if it's all offense and defense, why are there so many posts on this board discussing special teams play in that game? I've not posted on any of these because I thought I knew what it meant but now I'm confused and not sure it's even real any more.
If a punt is a defensive play why is a fourth down punt the last play of an offensive series?
if the defense attempts to block a punt they are playing defense but if they return it they are playing offense?
So if a blocked punt of FG is returned for a TD is that a defensive/offensive play?
If the punt return (or KO return) is offense why isn't a punt return the first play listed in the offensive series instead of the first down play?
I'm not arguing I really want to understand this, cause if everything is either offense or defense I don't understand why return yardage is listed separately in the stats and just not combined up with the offensive yardage.
I am further confused when they said during the game that Bama had scored 10 non-offensive scores this year including Interceptions, KO returns, fumble returns, punt returns, blocked kicks, etc. Why did they call them that if they are truly offense?
And if it's all offense and defense then why do 12 of the 14 teams in the SEC have offensive, defensive and special teams coordinators - Nick pays his $440k by the way. Why has Stoops had two while he's been here but now has none? Is it because it's all offense or defense?
And if it's all offense and defense, why are there so many posts on this board discussing special teams play in that game? I've not posted on any of these because I thought I knew what it meant but now I'm confused and not sure it's even real any more.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Great points and info Saguaro, and all I have seen is the OP piss and moan and throw chairs but not really make sense. Nowhere is it stated that you can have a good offense or defense or special teams but only be strong in one facet of the game. Ask Clemson - scored 40 in the title game and played well on both sides of the ball. Problem was they had a couple of lapses on defense in not covering the TE, and special teams killed them. Not enough to just say we need a strong offense - they did and still lost. You need to give an effort to be strong on both sides of the ball or else you become Oregon and lose the big game every year with no defense.
You guys keep dreaming that KENTUCKY can continue can to average low 20 ppg and try to build a great defense like Ala and see where it gets you ...one of you need to explain to me why our HC seems to be concentrating on only one side of the field of play if you are correct
Where is Baylor and TCU in these" facts"?...have NEVER said you don't need all facets of the game ,but I think at KENTUCKY you must build it from an offensive first approach rather than defense
I think the fact that you have about 30-40 posts in this thread and you cannot get anyone to side with you might be a hint. Despite the fact some of your points might be correct once you go over the top with post volume it can make a rational person and their POV come across as the proverbial old man yelling at the clouds overhead.
For UK to succeed yes they need an innovative offense to counter the size and talent deficiencies they face in the SEC, yes they need skill players and a QB to make it happen, yes they need a rugged defense to give them a chance to win.
Do you want to know the one key component that almost 85-90%+ of successful teams have at all levels? A good QB. Are there exceptions to the rule - yes. But look through the NFL, NCAA, HS football... The one common denominator is good QB play. Tell me where Memphis and Cal were a couple of years ago? Dead in the water then along comes Paxton Lynch and Goff and their fortunes turned. Go the other way and look at USCe, Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, Miami, LSU even. No strong QB play and poof. Even Ohio State with all of the talent could not decide on a QB and the team with possibly the most talent in the country struggled most of the year. Get a strong QB at UK and everything else falls into place.
For UK to succeed yes they need an innovative offense to counter the size and talent deficiencies they face in the SEC, yes they need skill players and a QB to make it happen, yes they need a rugged defense to give them a chance to win.
Do you want to know the one key component that almost 85-90%+ of successful teams have at all levels? A good QB. Are there exceptions to the rule - yes. But look through the NFL, NCAA, HS football... The one common denominator is good QB play. Tell me where Memphis and Cal were a couple of years ago? Dead in the water then along comes Paxton Lynch and Goff and their fortunes turned. Go the other way and look at USCe, Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, Miami, LSU even. No strong QB play and poof. Even Ohio State with all of the talent could not decide on a QB and the team with possibly the most talent in the country struggled most of the year. Get a strong QB at UK and everything else falls into place.
What do you classify it as when a defense scores on a fumble return or interception?
I would like to agree with you on the QB thingy, but I'm suppose to quit posting on this topic so I'm out:football::football:[banana][banana]:smiley::sunglasses:so I'll end with ...GOCATS #ALLIN
FWIW ...
In the NCAA's FOOTBALL STATISTICIANS MANUAL
Section 5 Article 2 states "Total offense is the total of net gain rushing and net gain forward passing. Receiving and runback yards are not included in total offense."
Returns of interceptions, punts, kick offs and missed field goals are included in All-Purpose Running, which is described in Article 3 of this section. This also includes net yards gained rushing and receiving but does not include forward passing yardage.
It's on pdf page 8.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Football/2015ez.pdf
In the NCAA's FOOTBALL STATISTICIANS MANUAL
Section 5 Article 2 states "Total offense is the total of net gain rushing and net gain forward passing. Receiving and runback yards are not included in total offense."
Returns of interceptions, punts, kick offs and missed field goals are included in All-Purpose Running, which is described in Article 3 of this section. This also includes net yards gained rushing and receiving but does not include forward passing yardage.
It's on pdf page 8.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Football/2015ez.pdf
It is a free board and to post or not post is your choice. I just think some friendly advice might be helpful from a standpoint of if you start a post and within a week you have replied literally over 50 times what is the point of the post? When I see the same person respond with multiple posts in a row to themselves I think that they have way too much free time or time to take a deep breath or two and just enjoy the dialogue and don't get too serious.