Fairleigh has 20 - count 'em - 20 offensive rebounds. Giving up offensive rebounds has been a common theme for us so far this year. This worries me.
We're being out-rebounded 41-39...
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Fairleigh has 20 - count 'em - 20 offensive rebounds. Giving up offensive rebounds has been a common theme for us so far this year. This worries me.
It's not a good sign that we are apparently fouling the **** out of them too. If they could shot free throws, the game could potentially have been a lot closer. To have your center collect over 15 rebounds already and to still be getting outrebounded is a pretty scary stat.
I'm happy we're blowing them out - <span style="font-weight: bold;">like we should</span>. But we can't keep giving up this many offensive rebounds this season. SEC teams will really take advantage of that.
But is it a huge leap to think that maybe, just maybe, our players are slacking when it comes to rebounding effort? Rebounding is mostly effort. I only played church league, so no I am not a basketball coach. But come on, if you were up some 20 points, would you give a **** about dominating rebounding?
if we get out rebounded in one of those games and beaten soundly, you have reason to be concerned.
I don't expect much out of this team (.500 in the SEC, NIT title), but to ***** about being out rebounded when we are up some 20+ points seems a little extreme to me.
I don't expect much out of this team (.500 in the SEC, NIT title), but to ***** about being out rebounded when we are up some 20+ points seems a little extreme to me.
I wasn't "bitching" about it. I just said that it worries me that we continue to allow teams - <span style="font-weight: bold;">bad teams</span> - to get offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points against us. FDU had 24 offensive rebounds and 19 second chance points tonight. I'm sure Stansbury isn't happy with those numbers.
I'm happy about a lot of other things I've seen from this team and the potential they show. But that's looked like a weakness so far, and I hope they improve on it soon.
I'm happy about a lot of other things I've seen from this team and the potential they show. But that's looked like a weakness so far, and I hope they improve on it soon.
I don't want to be out-casted as some Gene's Page reject based on my low post count. I am not saying that we will be some bad *** force to be reckoned with over the coming months. If you want to conclude that this is a "bad team" that's fine. I would argue the team we are playing was competitive with Pitt, a top 5 team, for a good while before talent/depth took over.
We will not be a bad *** team this season. Honestly, we will be lucky to be above .500 in the SEC. I will ***** when we completely blow it against a team that there is no reason for us to blow it against. I won't ***** when we are up 20.
We will not be a bad *** team this season. Honestly, we will be lucky to be above .500 in the SEC. I will ***** when we completely blow it against a team that there is no reason for us to blow it against. I won't ***** when we are up 20.
If we are getting out-rebounded by lesser teams at a reasonable point midway through the season, then yes, I agree we have reason to be concerned. If we are being out-rebounded by a team when we are playing the role of Coach34's bookie, then I will let it slide.
We may suck this year. It won't be because this team out rebounded us.
We may suck this year. It won't be because this team out rebounded us.
You are arguing with one of most positive guys on here when it comes to MSU basketball. He just stated a concern.
<17> who is positive and who is negative.
I care about the point that is made. We are up some 20 points are he wants to ***** about rebounding? I would venture to guess our guys quiting giving a **** about rebounding about 5 mins in.
I guaran-god damn- tee that rebounding when we ware up 20+ will not be an issue this season.
I care about the point that is made. We are up some 20 points are he wants to ***** about rebounding? I would venture to guess our guys quiting giving a **** about rebounding about 5 mins in.
I guaran-god damn- tee that rebounding when we ware up 20+ will not be an issue this season.
I agree that the total rebounding is a concern; however, I am not concerned about the offensive rebounds. When we are shooting 50% and our opponents are shooting 25% then our opponents will usually get more offensive rebounds than us because they will have significantly more opportunities than us on the offensive end. We should still be outrebounding them, though. That is an effort stat as Stans likes to say.
This is true. I'm confident they'll improve; I just hope it doesn't cost us a game at some point. That's all I'm saying.
....that 87 knows more about basketball than you do.
He has a legitimate concern, and anyone who understands the game knows it. We have given up far too many offensive rebounds thus far, and more quality teams will exploit that.
Your statement that we stopped worrying about rebounding five minutes in demonstrates how little you know about basketball.
He has a legitimate concern, and anyone who understands the game knows it. We have given up far too many offensive rebounds thus far, and more quality teams will exploit that.
Your statement that we stopped worrying about rebounding five minutes in demonstrates how little you know about basketball.
Dude, they missed 50 shots. They should have more offensive rebounds than us. They missed 50 shots. That means 50 times their shots clanked off the rim or whatever. When we play teams that actually shoot worth a **** then get worried about offensive rebounding. Then we may have to worry more about them making more shots than us though. FDU was 16-66 shooting the ball tonight.
The fact that they outrebounded us by 4 is a concern, but I am not to worried about offensive rebounding when our shots fall to the tune of 50% and our opponents miss 50 shots.
The fact that they outrebounded us by 4 is a concern, but I am not to worried about offensive rebounding when our shots fall to the tune of 50% and our opponents miss 50 shots.
Apparently, everyone should stop posting about football. Afterall, Coach34 knows more than anyone about football. And we see how he's never wrong.
87 may know more Bball than me. Congrats 87, you are now "the ****" as far as basketball is concerned on this board.
But we are not in deep **** based on nothing more than a subpar team outrebounding us on our way to a 26 point victory. That is 17in ********.
87 may know more Bball than me. Congrats 87, you are now "the ****" as far as basketball is concerned on this board.
But we are not in deep **** based on nothing more than a subpar team outrebounding us on our way to a 26 point victory. That is 17in ********.
Here are the terms used by 87 regarding offensive rebounds allowed:
This worries me.
SEC teams will really take advantage of that.
I'd like to see them correct this soon
I wasn't "bitching" about it.
it worries me
I'm sure Stansbury isn't happy
that's looked like a weakness so far, and I hope they improve on it soon.
I just hope it doesn't cost us a game at some point.
Note the common theme of not complaining, just stating a concern.
And here is your interpretation of that:
to ***** about being out rebounded when we are up some 20+ points seems a little extreme to me.
If you want to conclude that this is a "bad team" that's fine.
We are up some 20 points are he wants to ***** about rebounding?
But we are not in deep **** based on nothing more than a subpar team outrebounding us on our way to a 26 point victory.
Do you take all statements and twist and exaggerate them? Argue the point all you want, but at least try to stay on point. You come off looking dumber than Ronny, and that is hard to do.
This worries me.
SEC teams will really take advantage of that.
I'd like to see them correct this soon
I wasn't "bitching" about it.
it worries me
I'm sure Stansbury isn't happy
that's looked like a weakness so far, and I hope they improve on it soon.
I just hope it doesn't cost us a game at some point.
Note the common theme of not complaining, just stating a concern.
And here is your interpretation of that:
to ***** about being out rebounded when we are up some 20+ points seems a little extreme to me.
If you want to conclude that this is a "bad team" that's fine.
We are up some 20 points are he wants to ***** about rebounding?
But we are not in deep **** based on nothing more than a subpar team outrebounding us on our way to a 26 point victory.
Do you take all statements and twist and exaggerate them? Argue the point all you want, but at least try to stay on point. You come off looking dumber than Ronny, and that is hard to do.
hear the whole game tonight, but if was like our first three I am very pleasantly surprised by our free throw shooting. We've been bad at the line so long I can't remember a team starting off this well at the free throw line. We seem to have very good f.g. shooters and f.t. shooters, a good start on defense, and a team that looks like they play very well together. Maybe we will have most of the bugs worked out before conference play starts.
that is: Was FDU jacking up long shots, thus long rebounds?
I've seen team A totally seal off team B only to have a long (missed) shot result in a long rebound over team A.
I've seen team A totally seal off team B only to have a long (missed) shot result in a long rebound over team A.
We just beat the everliving **** out of a team that we held to about 25% from the floor. Rebounding is about "wanting it more." Could it be that our players were just going thru the motions when they realized they were playing a piss poor offense? Or does that only apply to an opposing team's defense in football?
Their O rebounded 24, our D rebounded 37. What is their to ***** about? What am I missing?
I fully expect most teams to shoot for a much higher percentage than 25% on us. If they shoot better, less of their shots will be available for their players to rebound (I doubt I am pointing out anything new here).
How many games have we played thus far? How many games have we been out-rebounded? You want me to start bitching because we were out-rebounded by 5 in a 25 point victory while we have manhandled the boards up until this game?
We will not be world-beaters this year. There will be plenty to ***** about. MSU being out-rebounded in a 25 point win is not one of them.
Their O rebounded 24, our D rebounded 37. What is their to ***** about? What am I missing?
I fully expect most teams to shoot for a much higher percentage than 25% on us. If they shoot better, less of their shots will be available for their players to rebound (I doubt I am pointing out anything new here).
How many games have we played thus far? How many games have we been out-rebounded? You want me to start bitching because we were out-rebounded by 5 in a 25 point victory while we have manhandled the boards up until this game?
We will not be world-beaters this year. There will be plenty to ***** about. MSU being out-rebounded in a 25 point win is not one of them.
ShineOnYouCrazyBulldog said:
After reading this thread I am not to sure about that. The point stands that when teams shoot like **** there are more chances at Off rebounds than when they shoot well. We have been shooting uncharacteristically well through 4 games this year as compared to years past. At the same time our opponents this year have shot like ****, increasing their chances to grab off rebounds.
I really hope I have just drank too much today and am missing something here, but it is a simple concept. Miss more shots get more off rebs, make more shots get fewer off rebs.
I can see both sides of the argument. Fairleigh could be outrebounding us because we are up big and don't have the desire to keep the intensity level up, or it could be that we're not that good at it and it's a bad sign of things to come. I'm sure we'll find out more when the stiffer competition comes.
Anyhow, cograts to Jarvis for the blocked shot record and congrats to the team for being 4-0.
Anyhow, cograts to Jarvis for the blocked shot record and congrats to the team for being 4-0.
Once again I say, I wasn't bitching about it. I was listening to the game while watching the live stats and thought, "Wow, that's a lot of offensive rebounds. Teams seem to be getting quite a few against us so far." If you want to go off on one of those 'You Can't Point Out Flaws In A Win' tirade, fine.ShineOnYouCrazyBulldog said:
Chill out. I'm not the one typing up long posts and getting pissed off about it.
Doesn't it make sense that if they missed 50 shots, and we made most of our, that they would have a ton more chances at offensive rebounds than us?
Surely one can draw a conclusion that if a team misses a lot of baskets they will have a lot of offensive rebounds just based on sheer luck, the ball bouncing weird etc.
Surely one can draw a conclusion that if a team misses a lot of baskets they will have a lot of offensive rebounds just based on sheer luck, the ball bouncing weird etc.
That is true, and maybe they did have a lot of lucky bounces. But at the same time, just because the other team misses a lot of shots doesn't necessarily mean we should be out-rebounded.
MissStFan87 said:
This is fun. While I agree we shouldn't be out-rebounded by teams such as these I wouldn't be so quick to judge them out-rebounding us on the offensive boards. We simply don't have the same chances at offensive rebounds when we shoot a much higher percentage than them. FDU had 50 chances at offensive boards while we only had 29 chances at offensive rebounds. That is 21 fewer opportunities to grab an offensive rebound.
I am not sure what to make of it all other than this: I am not used to an MState basketball team making such a high percentage(50%) of their shots, and I am not used to seeing the opposition shoot so poorly through 4 games. Maybe our defense is better than usual(I doubt it), maybe our opposition through 4 games is worse than usual(highly probable).
Next week should give us a better feel for the kind of team we have. I think we are deeper and more athletic than I have ever seen. That has to be good, but we are fairly young and move the ball well. I am curious about what our defense will look like when we play better teams and what kind of shooters we have when facing better defenses.
Through 4 games I am hesitantly optimistic about this team and thankful football season is coming to an end and hopeful one way or another we get a new football coach. That is all I got. croxmsux.
Is is possible that opposing teams are missing shots because of our defense? Maybe our guys are doing something to cause these teams to have so many opportunities to get offensive rebounds. We still got the majority of the rebounds on their end of the floor.MissStFan87 said:
And ... yeah ... you were bitching. And explaining like a ***** too.