wesley carroll...
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We moved the ball with WC every time we ran the zone read. Croom was too damn stubborn to keep doing it.
instead of Tyson Lee.<div>
</div><div>I doubt Carroll makes all those fumbles that cost us the GT and Houston games, and I doubt he screws up the goal line plays against LSU.</div><div>Or at least he wins 2 of those 3 games.</div>
</div><div>I doubt Carroll makes all those fumbles that cost us the GT and Houston games, and I doubt he screws up the goal line plays against LSU.</div><div>Or at least he wins 2 of those 3 games.</div>
Was listening to their game Saturday. I believe they were down by two scores & driving late - game was pretty much over but still.... on 4th down he scramblesandslides near the first down marker. Problem was, he slid about half a yard short of the first down& according to the announcers he still had plenty of room to run. They turn the ball over on downs - game over.QuaoarsKing said:
Sounds like something straight out of the Croom era.
It's not like Carroll was a better runner than Lee. He wasn't. In fact, I just checked his stats and his career rushing stats are 79 yards on 79 carries. And he's not any better than Lee was as a passer either. I've just never understood the infatuation so many on this board have with Carroll. He <17>ing sucks.</p>
Mullen attributed those zone-read fumbles to your brother Tyson.</p>
edited to specify fumbles...
edited to specify fumbles...
is it the RB's responsibility to know if the QB reads the play correctly and is trying to pull the ball out?
I think most people agree that he is better than Tyson Lee was. I think Croom started Lee because he liked him better on a personal level. Josh Riddell was the best QB MSU had during Croom's tenure, and Croom refused to play him- even criticizing his TD passes.
It's not like people are putting Wes Carroll in in John Bond, Sleepy Robinson, or Wayne Madkin territiory here.
I still have to believe that Carroll would have thrown more than four TD's last year, which is what Tyson Lee did. Also, Carroll at least had a couple of D-I offers (MSU, Duke) out of high school. I don't think Tyson even had one other than our walk-on offer.
Wes Carroll is starting at FIU- which I'm not sure that Tyson Lee could do.
It's not like people are putting Wes Carroll in in John Bond, Sleepy Robinson, or Wayne Madkin territiory here.
I still have to believe that Carroll would have thrown more than four TD's last year, which is what Tyson Lee did. Also, Carroll at least had a couple of D-I offers (MSU, Duke) out of high school. I don't think Tyson even had one other than our walk-on offer.
Wes Carroll is starting at FIU- which I'm not sure that Tyson Lee could do.
it's very Tyson Lee like. And very much like what he did when he played for MSU. He might be a little better than Lee (or he might be a little worse). Butnobody can argue that either of those two were significantly better than the other. I'm not sure Carroll would have thrown for more than 4 TDs last year. He can barely throw the ball 10 yards, and he's not all that accurate even at that range.Todd4State said:
He had a no INT streak that Tyson Lee wouldn't have even come close to touching. He also had 9 TD passes his freshman year with Croom and McCorvey, and he had 3 his sophomore year in limited playing time also under Croom and McCorvey. And he has four already this year. So, I'm pretty confident in saying that he would have thrown more than four under Dan, who would have been his best QB coach and best OC.
I'm also pretty confident that Carroll would have either A. Pitched the ball or B. gotten in the end zone against LSU. I also think that we beat La Tech if we keep Carroll in the game.
I will agree that neither was much better than the other, but Carroll was definately the better of the two.
I'm also pretty confident that Carroll would have either A. Pitched the ball or B. gotten in the end zone against LSU. I also think that we beat La Tech if we keep Carroll in the game.
I will agree that neither was much better than the other, but Carroll was definately the better of the two.
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In 2007, Carroll not being a turnover machine is what won us games. He had confidence. Confidence which Croom promptly stripped from him by splitting the time between he and Lee in the La. Tech game, agame where Lee really hurt us. Not to mention the retarded coaching he got, trying the force the West Coast, all the other gimped up stuff crrooms did. Croom played favorites, and often did not put his best players in position to win games. So Carroll got sick of this, and probably was too bitter towards MSU to even consider staying around, even after croom left. Carroll could run too. He got us some big first downs in 2007. **** if crooms had gotten his way Henig would have played the entire year. Think about that. </p>
is the one responsible because he is the one still in control of the ball as he is riding the back thru the mesh point...you are always going to have fumbles on it though from time to time because the RB tries to clamp down on it to ensure that he gets the ball and the QB makes a different read and tries to pull it. Thats just the nature of the option game.
Tyson has got to have strong enough hands to be able to control it- but when you have backs like AD that are strong as hell and they decide at times they are going to clamp down, it makes it tough.
Tyson has got to have strong enough hands to be able to control it- but when you have backs like AD that are strong as hell and they decide at times they are going to clamp down, it makes it tough.
Shocking. And Lee had the benefit of Dan coaching him his senior year and STILL threw all of those picks.
1) Riddell got a DUI right after school started in 2007. He was thus suspeneded for either a game or two (don't remember specifics).Todd4State said:
2) When Henig got hurt in the Auburn game, we played both. Carroll ended up finishing that game, but both played.
3) Next we played somebody terrible (UAB, maybe?) and once again both played. Don't remember who started.
4) Riddell then won the starting job for the South Carolina game. He played exclusively right up until he tore his ACL in the second half.
5) Riddell was an idiot after surgery. I would see him trying to limp around holding his brace instead of wearing the thing. Come spring, it turns out he's not ready to participate in team drills. Thus, he falls all the way to third string. That summer, he transfers down to some small school.
So I cannot find any evidence of us ever not wanting to play Josh Riddell. Circumstances, however, did that for us.
Actually a couple of times.Neither qb belonged in the SEC. However, a lot of Tyson Lee's problems weren't strictly physicallimitations. He could have pitched to Dixon, he could have lobbed the ball over that ahole that should have been playing fall ball, and he could have thrown the ballaway one of the 7 times he took a sack on 3rd down to take us out of field goal range. But he didn't.patdog said:
And judging by his decision making his Freshman year, there was reason to believe that Wesley Carroll would have made some good decisions. Certainly wouldn't have been a good qb, but he might have made some good decisions.
in which you say the QB is ultimately responsible. But blame goes to Dixon? I can't blame a RB for wanting the ball when it's the QB's responsibility to pull the ball out on the read. We'll agree to disagree.
after our 45-0 scull dragging. Carroll, with his parents, none of them looked happy, he looked beaten.. My thoughts at that time, why is he not with the team.
I guess it's not unusual during a holiday season to not travel with the team.
I think that last game, plus his parents wanting him to be closer, then the coaching change(starting over) is why he transferred.
I guess it's not unusual during a holiday season to not travel with the team.
I think that last game, plus his parents wanting him to be closer, then the coaching change(starting over) is why he transferred.
after a TD pass. I thought it was ridiculous. Croom's tone made it sound like he didn't like Riddell.
carry no quarterback hero from my years on campus. Wheres the John Bond of my generation? Will I brag about the Kevin Fant yearswhen it's2025?