Western Michigan and P.J. Fleck crush Illinois.

Stenchymouse

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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
 

Dallas-Wild

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The more I watch this young coach...the more I want him at UK.

Can almost bet a BigTen team is going to go hard after Fleck after this season.
 
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If we are going that rout we might as well holler at the guy running North Dakota St. He's built a dominant program that wins FCS titles. They just beat Iowa, and they have a QB in the pros.

Or, Ken Niumatalolo. Been winning at Navy consistently, has an unorthodox style. Really good coach that is quietly on the radar of a number of places I think. If you can win at Navy with less talent and limited practice for 8 years I think you're worth a look.

I'm not sure a real young guy with not a lot of experience is the way to go.
 

merrimanm

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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
Speak for yourself.
 

ukalum1988

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Fleck stomps all over Lovie Smith and the Illini 34-10, giving Western Michigan 2 wins against the Big 10 this season.

Hopefully, Barnhart is working the back channels with Fleck's people.
Agree with you, but I doubt Mitch is capable of such bold and decisive action.
 

ukalum1988

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The more I watch this young coach...the more I want him at UK.

Can almost bet a BigTen team is going to go hard after Fleck after this season.
Purdue among others will probably be in the market for a new coach by the time the season is over.
 

gojvc

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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
Excellent post. 100% correct.
 

merrimanm

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I was having the same argument on here with him five years ago during Joker's second season. He was wrong then and he's wrong now.
And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.
 

bthaunert

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If we are going that rout we might as well holler at the guy running North Dakota St. He's built a dominant program that wins FCS titles. They just beat Iowa, and they have a QB in the pros.

Or, Ken Niumatalolo. Been winning at Navy consistently, has an unorthodox style. Really good coach that is quietly on the radar of a number of places I think. If you can win at Navy with less talent and limited practice for 8 years I think you're worth a look.

I'm not sure a real young guy with not a lot of experience is the way to go.
Klieman at NDSU is only in his 3rd season as a head coach, so not sure why you would suggest him and then say that someone without a lot of experience is the way to go, unless you feel him being in his 40's makes up for lack of head coaching experience.

PJ Fleck is going to be an absolute stud of a coach wherever he lands.

It's interesting that Craig Bohl, who built that program at NDSU is in the dumps at Wyoming. He is 8-19/4-12 so far at Wyoming.
 

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Not sure UK will be able to lure him. He'll probably have better options plus this is a graveyard for young coaches with potential. I don't think it would be worth the risk if I were him; even if he's the truth.

UK needs a proven winner somewhat in his prime to ensure the best shot of winning. A fallen star like Briles, Tressel, Petrino (that ship has sailed) or maybe even Leach is the best bet to get this ship turned around. If Briles/Tressel say no, maybe another Brooks-like coach, who are no longer in their prime but knows how to manage a program and get a lot out of team (like Tuberville).

If the latter is executed, that would be a short term venture to get UK back in good shape. You just can't hand the keys over to an idiot once the program is stable.
 

gojvc

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.
He won't. It's time pull the plug on this circus and get a real head coach.
 

K-Town Kat

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.

You've got to be kidding.
 
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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
I mentioned this the other day - really interesting article in of all places the Wall Street a Journal this week. It was specifically about NFL quarterbacks, but it applies here. The point of the article is that by now we know enough about the position and what it takes to succeed there that NFL teams should have a really good idea very early in a QBs career whether he'll be an answer at the position. Certainly after a year, some say after a single training camp. The smart thing to do in that situation, if you've drafted a kid high and you can tell he doesn't have what it takes, is to cut your losses. Move on. Hardly anyone does. Two reasons: you're hoping against hope that what the evidence tells you is wrong, that the kid might someday turn the corner and be good or good enough. Second, you don't want to,admit to the whole world you blew it with that #2 overall pick. Pride and ego, in other words.

So, agree with your post. We have enough data in year 4. There is a chance Stoops does what Beamer did and grows into the position, becomes a very good head coach. There is also a chance I'll win the lottery and that Mary ends up with Lloyd. The smarter percentage play is to cut your losses and move on.
 
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It's going to be hard to convince a guy who's got or soon will have plenty of choices to take this job. Right now, you've just pumped a good bit of money into the program, and Stoops has raised the talent level (trenches aside). I fear another downside of waiting until December 2017 to make a move is the longer you wait the less attractive the job will be.....
 

gojvc

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It's going to be hard to convince a guy who's got or soon will have plenty of choices to take this job. Right now, you've just pumped a good bit of money into the program, and Stoops has raised the talent level (trenches aside). I fear another downside of waiting until December 2017 to make a move is the longer you wait the less attractive the job will be.....
Amen. The move needs to be made now or it just gets harder.
 
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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
Regardless of how anyone feels about it, Kentucky still has a pathway to a bowl. We would have to beat South Carolina, Mississippi State, Missouri, Vandy, Austin Peay. If you have been reading my posts all the way back to June, you will know that I have never believed we can win 6 games this year. But there are caveats. It looks like Stoops has finally found a quarterback who can move the chains in Gran's offense. Johnson won't move the chains much against Alabama and Tennessee, but he might move them against South Carolina. Johnson understands how to use Conrad and Hart. Boom and Benny are real SEC running backs. Grant McKinness is a viable punter, and our kick coverage teams are playing well. But our front 7 is bad, and Eliot doesn't have the answers. There is still no pass rush. We can't even stop NM State from gaining 5-6 yards running up the middle on 1st down. If Stoops beats South Carolina next week, then all this "fire the coach" rhetoric needs to stop out of respect for our players. But if Stoops loses to South Carolina, that would get him on the hot seat for real. It is important to understand the decision facing Barnhart in real terms, not just how it looks during a Sunday morning hangover. Stoops has recruited well, and he will have about 19 incumbent starters back in 2017. To any reasonable athletics director who wants to keep being an athletics director, that generally isn't the time to fire your football coach. Kentucky will not pay Stoops $12 million (and several assistants several $millions more) to go away with 5 wins against this schedule and 19 starters coming back. But if Stoops only squeezes 3 wins out of this schedule, Kentucky's recruiting class would collapse and Barnhart and Capilouto might decide their hand is forced. That would be interesting, because that decision could put both Barnhart and Capilouto on the hot seat too, depending on the next hire. If Stoops comes back in 2017, he MUST take his veteran 2017 team to a bowl, or else get fired. There are other considerations. Bringing Eliot from Tallahassee as defensive coordinator was Stoops' biggest mistake. Replacing Eliot with a more effective coordinator could make for quick improvement. If Stoops survives 2016, I believe he will finally be forced to fire Eliot. Kentucky's football facilities are now state of the art. To his credit, Stoops has been instrumental in making that happen. But OTOH, the new facilities would be attractive to a new coach too. So there is actually a lot for Barnhart to think about. And for fans who think they can force Barnhart's hand by staying home and trashing him on radio shows, remember that Barnhart already experienced that with Rich Brooks in 2005.
 
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Klieman at NDSU is only in his 3rd season as a head coach, so not sure why you would suggest him and then say that someone without a lot of experience is the way to go, unless you feel him being in his 40's makes up for lack of head coaching experience.

PJ Fleck is going to be an absolute stud of a coach wherever he lands.

It's interesting that Craig Bohl, who built that program at NDSU is in the dumps at Wyoming. He is 8-19/4-12 so far at Wyoming.

I said if we are going to go the route of Fleck then might as well give NDSU coach a look. Klieman has been coaching longer and was at least a part of the building at NDSU as a position coach then DC. and now has continued it.

Then suggested Niumatalolo who would probably be better than both because he is the experienced HC with more years on the resume to prove he can get it done.

Your point about Bohl is proof for the case that guys that tear it up in the lower ranks are probably not ready for the up hill climb from bottom feeder at a P5.

I could say the same about Fleck. His predecessor ran a fairly stable progam, bounced for Illinois, ended up interim, then got bounced after going 5-7.

Fleck is flavor of the moment right now. Hot mid major coach with an offense. But when you look at it, he's got about a .500 record overall and barely above that in conference.
 

willievic

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.

I hope Stoops turns it around, but I don't care for the BS on his post game shows. I've heard enough about how people miss their assignments, rat-trapping, get back to work, we'll get it straightened out, etc. This is his 4th year, and a lot of this should have been straightened out by now. Enough of the promises and BS. Just do the job and show the fans the results. So far, the results haven't been pretty.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 

Stenchymouse

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Regardless of how anyone feels about it, Kentucky still has a pathway to a bowl. We would have to beat South Carolina, Mississippi State, Missouri, Vandy, Austin Peay. If you have been reading my posts all the way back to June, you will know that I have never believed we can win 6 games this year. But there are caveats. It looks like Stoops has finally found a quarterback who can move the chains in Gran's offense. Johnson won't move the chains much against Alabama and Tennessee, but he might move them against South Carolina. Johnson understands how to use Conrad and Hart. Boom and Benny are real SEC running backs. Grant McKinness is a viable punter, and our kick coverage teams are playing well. But our front 7 is bad, and Eliot doesn't have the answers. There is still no pass rush. We can't even stop NM State from gaining 5-6 yards running up the middle on 1st down. If Stoops beats South Carolina next week, then all this "fire the coach" rhetoric needs to stop out of respect for our players. But if Stoops loses to South Carolina, that would get him on the hot seat for real. It is important to understand the decision facing Barnhart in real terms, not just how it looks during a Sunday morning hangover. Stoops has recruited well, and he will have about 19 incumbent starters back in 2017. To any reasonable athletics director who wants to keep being an athletics director, that generally isn't the time to fire your football coach. Kentucky will not pay Stoops $12 million (and several assistants several $millions more) to go away with 5 wins against this schedule and 19 starters coming back. But if Stoops only squeezes 3 wins out of this schedule, Kentucky's recruiting class would collapse and Barnhart and Capilouto might decide their hand is forced. That would be interesting, because that decision could put both Barnhart and Capilouto on the hot seat too, depending on the next hire. If Stoops comes back in 2017, he MUST take his veteran 2017 team to a bowl, or else get fired. There are other considerations. Bringing Eliot from Tallahassee as defensive coordinator was Stoops' biggest mistake. Replacing Eliot with a more effective coordinator could make for quick improvement. If Stoops survives 2016, I believe he will finally be forced to fire Eliot. Kentucky's football facilities are now state of the art. To his credit, Stoops has been instrumental in making that happen. But OTOH, the new facilities would be attractive to a new coach too. So there is actually a lot for Barnhart to think about. And for fans who think they can force Barnhart's hand by staying home and trashing him on radio shows, remember that Barnhart already experienced that with Rich Brooks in 2005.
Up until these last 3 weeks, I was all in with my support of Stoops.

The thing that I struggle to get past is the fact that no player under Stoops seems to have surpassed expectations and we are undeniably regressing as far as being competitive.

Football programs are all about momentum and trajectory, and we have lost all momentum and our trajectory is ABSOLUTELY going downward!

Stoops is supposedly a "defensive" coach and right now it seems that Hal Mumme could teach him a thing or two about defense!
 

Stenchymouse

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.
I'm sorry about my smart remark...

I'm a very tired and beat down fan that has pretty much given up hope.

BTW...Brooks didn't receive the support that Stoops has as far as facilities and paying top dollar to assistants.

The more support Stoops receives, the worse he performs.
 

merrimanm

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I'm sorry about my smart remark...

I'm a very tired and beat down fan that has pretty much given up hope.

BTW...Brooks didn't receive the support that Stoops has as far as facilities and paying top dollar to assistants.

The more support Stoops receives, the worse he performs.
It's all good. I know people are frustrated. And believe it or not, I am too. But again, the coach in me understands what all goes in to being successful. Money investment alone won't do it. It takes so much more. The facilities help, but our competitors have nice facilities as well, or at least the ones that we are trying to catch.
 

bthaunert

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I said if we are going to go the route of Fleck then might as well give NDSU coach a look. Klieman has been coaching longer and was at least a part of the building at NDSU as a position coach then DC. and now has continued it.

Then suggested Niumatalolo who would probably be better than both because he is the experienced HC with more years on the resume to prove he can get it done.

Your point about Bohl is proof for the case that guys that tear it up in the lower ranks are probably not ready for the up hill climb from bottom feeder at a P5.

I could say the same about Fleck. His predecessor ran a fairly stable progam, bounced for Illinois, ended up interim, then got bounced after going 5-7.

Fleck is flavor of the moment right now. Hot mid major coach with an offense. But when you look at it, he's got about a .500 record overall and barely above that in conference.

Good points, but I wouldn't look at Fleck's overall record, but the trend he has the program going. He went 1-11 in his first year (4-8 the year before under the previous coach), and has gone 19-10 since. With wins at Northwestern and at Illinois. By no means power houses, but they whooped up on Illinois.
 

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I mentioned this the other day - really interesting article in of all places the Wall Street a Journal this week. It was specifically about NFL quarterbacks, but it applies here. The point of the article is that by now we know enough about the position and what it takes to succeed there that NFL teams should have a really good idea very early in a QBs career whether he'll be an answer at the position. Certainly after a year, some say after a single training camp. The smart thing to do in that situation, if you've drafted a kid high and you can tell he doesn't have what it takes, is to cut your losses. Move on. Hardly anyone does. Two reasons: you're hoping against hope that what the evidence tells you is wrong, that the kid might someday turn the corner and be good or good enough. Second, you don't want to,admit to the whole world you blew it with that #2 overall pick. Pride and ego, in other words.

So, agree with your post. We have enough data in year 4. There is a chance Stoops does what Beamer did and grows into the position, becomes a very good head coach. There is also a chance I'll win the lottery and that Mary ends up with Lloyd. The smarter percentage play is to cut your losses and move on.

People seem to forget two important things about Frank Beamer. I.) He played football for three years at Virginia Tech. 2.) He was a successful head coach at Murray State for 5 years before he took the Virginia Tech job. Beamer didn't "grow" into the job.

Go Big Blue!
 
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Fleck stomps all over Lovie Smith and the Illini 34-10, giving Western Michigan 2 wins against the Big 10 this season.

Hopefully, Barnhart is working the back channels with Fleck's people.

First let me say I like Fleck. But people are getting a little over crazy over him - based on his record. This is his fourth season as a head coach. He went to the famous Idaho Potato bowl in year two - and lost. He went to the Popeye Bowl last year and won. The reason I point this out - is this - is he really that much of a better fit than Neal Brown - who people say they want more experience before we hire him? Let's see how this season plays out before we say Neal can't coach here. We need someone who wants to be here and played here if possible, IMO. People also talk about we need a Frank Beamer. Well Frank Beamer played football for three years at Virginia Tech - I wonder how many people realized that about him. Frank Beamer was the head coach at Murray State and was successful for 5 years BEFORE he went to home to Virginia Tech.

I hope this also adds some additional consideration to thinking about Neal Brown - if Neal has a good year at Troy. Troy is comparable to both Western Michigan and Murray State. I fully expect Troy to win 7 or more games this season. That is quite a turn around from when he took the team two years ago.

Go Big Blue!
 
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The thing that I struggle to get past is the fact that no player under Stoops seems to have surpassed expectations

Bud Dupree
Melvin Lewis
Javess Blue
Farrington Huguenin
Jon Toth
Juice Johnson
Jeff Badet
Blake McClain
Josh Forrest
CJ Johnson
Chris Westry
Derrick Baity
JD Harmon
Nick Haynes
Cole Mosier
Stephen Johnson
Jordan Jones
Benny Snell
Charles Walker

Some players work hard and stay focused. Others don't. To say that no player has surpassed expectations under Stoops is so ridiculous that it would disqualify someone as a credible poster. Obviously, that isn't the problem. The 2 major weaknesses of the Stoops era have been bad special teams and overall poor play of our defensive lines. There are some signs now that Matt House may be straightening out our special teams. But our defense still can't get off the field. Until our defense can get 3 and outs against SEC teams, we aren't going to bowls.
 

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Bud Dupree
Melvin Lewis
Javess Blue
Farrington Huguenin
Jon Toth
Juice Johnson
Jeff Badet
Blake McClain
Josh Forrest
CJ Johnson
Chris Westry
Derrick Baity
JD Harmon
Nick Haynes
Cole Mosier
Stephen Johnson
Jordan Jones
Benny Snell
Charles Walker

Some players work hard and stay focused. Others don't. To say that no player has surpassed expectations under Stoops is so ridiculous that it would disqualify someone as a credible poster. Obviously, that isn't the problem. The 2 major weaknesses of the Stoops era have been bad special teams and overall poor play of our defensive lines. There are some signs now that Matt House may be straightening out our special teams. But our defense still can't get off the field. Until our defense can get 3 and outs against SEC teams, we aren't going to bowls.


3/4 of the players on that list were the exact same players when they got here as they were when they left/are now. And there's no way Stoops gets credit for Bud Dupree. And Benny Snell has played TWO games at UK. Come on, man.
 

Stenchymouse

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Bud Dupree
Melvin Lewis
Javess Blue
Farrington Huguenin
Jon Toth
Juice Johnson
Jeff Badet
Blake McClain
Josh Forrest
CJ Johnson
Chris Westry
Derrick Baity
JD Harmon
Nick Haynes
Cole Mosier
Stephen Johnson
Jordan Jones
Benny Snell
Charles Walker

Some players work hard and stay focused. Others don't. To say that no player has surpassed expectations under Stoops is so ridiculous that it would disqualify someone as a credible poster. Obviously, that isn't the problem. The 2 major weaknesses of the Stoops era have been bad special teams and overall poor play of our defensive lines. There are some signs now that Matt House may be straightening out our special teams. But our defense still can't get off the field. Until our defense can get 3 and outs against SEC teams, we aren't going to bowls.
Yeah, you're right, some players have surpassed expectations, but most that you mention are either players that were already here, or players that actually have not surpassed expectations.

I think that a few of those guys would fall under the title of under rated coming out of H.S.

My point was that I don't see a progression from our team at all but yeah, you're right, a few guys have improve and I stand corrected.
 

STL_Cat

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.

Fair, but Coach Brooks won 8 games in his 4th season. You think Stoops will win half that? Only if he's lucky.
 

yoshukai

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When Joker was at UK, EVERONE knew during year 2 that he was going to fail.

That 3rd year that Joker was allowed to stay, is what took us to the level of a TOTAL rebuild.

We ALL know that Stoops will fail, but if he stays for a 5th year, the rebuild will be much worse.

A great coach could flip it pretty quickly with the roster we have, but I fear that another year will turn it into a full rebuild, just like with Joker.
Wasn't the AD at Florida, Foley , that stated " what must be done eventually must be done now ".
 
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yoshukai

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Regardless of how anyone feels about it, Kentucky still has a pathway to a bowl. We would have to beat South Carolina, Mississippi State, Missouri, Vandy, Austin Peay. If you have been reading my posts all the way back to June, you will know that I have never believed we can win 6 games this year. But there are caveats. It looks like Stoops has finally found a quarterback who can move the chains in Gran's offense. Johnson won't move the chains much against Alabama and Tennessee, but he might move them against South Carolina. Johnson understands how to use Conrad and Hart. Boom and Benny are real SEC running backs. Grant McKinness is a viable punter, and our kick coverage teams are playing well. But our front 7 is bad, and Eliot doesn't have the answers. There is still no pass rush. We can't even stop NM State from gaining 5-6 yards running up the middle on 1st down. If Stoops beats South Carolina next week, then all this "fire the coach" rhetoric needs to stop out of respect for our players. But if Stoops loses to South Carolina, that would get him on the hot seat for real. It is important to understand the decision facing Barnhart in real terms, not just how it looks during a Sunday morning hangover. Stoops has recruited well, and he will have about 19 incumbent starters back in 2017. To any reasonable athletics director who wants to keep being an athletics director, that generally isn't the time to fire your football coach. Kentucky will not pay Stoops $12 million (and several assistants several $millions more) to go away with 5 wins against this schedule and 19 starters coming back. But if Stoops only squeezes 3 wins out of this schedule, Kentucky's recruiting class would collapse and Barnhart and Capilouto might decide their hand is forced. That would be interesting, because that decision could put both Barnhart and Capilouto on the hot seat too, depending on the next hire. If Stoops comes back in 2017, he MUST take his veteran 2017 team to a bowl, or else get fired. There are other considerations. Bringing Eliot from Tallahassee as defensive coordinator was Stoops' biggest mistake. Replacing Eliot with a more effective coordinator could make for quick improvement. If Stoops survives 2016, I believe he will finally be forced to fire Eliot. Kentucky's football facilities are now state of the art. To his credit, Stoops has been instrumental in making that happen. But OTOH, the new facilities would be attractive to a new coach too. So there is actually a lot for Barnhart to think about. And for fans who think they can force Barnhart's hand by staying home and trashing him on radio shows, remember that Barnhart already experienced that with Rich Brooks in 2005.
I agree with this EXCEPT , I'm ready for Shlarman to go along with Elliot .
 

Cawood86_rivals

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And I had the same conversation about Brooks when everyone wanted him gone. Now everyone wants him back. So again, I don't know that Stoops will turn it around, but I don't know that he won't either.
Don't disagree on that point. When UK lost to Ohio I thought it was about as bad as it can get. I was wrong. The thing with Stoops is that the players have not seemed to progress once they get here. Woodson and others got better each year under Brooks. Can't really name that name more than one or two that have progressed. Toth and maybe Boom, but I think Boom is just natural talent.
 

merrimanm

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Don't disagree on that point. When UK lost to Ohio I thought it was about as bad as it can get. I was wrong. The thing with Stoops is that the players have not seemed to progress once they get here. Woodson and others got better each year under Brooks. Can't really name that name more than one or two that have progressed. Toth and maybe Boom, but I think Boom is just natural talent.
Bud, Zedarius, Meant, Melvins Lewis, Josh Forrest, Badet, Johnson, Baker, many of the RS WR look very good.

I think the biggest issue right now is that we don't have difference makers at the key positions (QB, dline, and LB). That makes the development of the secondary look non existent, and makes the online worse than it appears.