What a bunch of babies
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Not settling for less has worked wonders for Texas A&M, Texas and USC. It takes more than just the coach to build a dynasty.
They weren't hiding him. He's in the top 5 qb's in the country. Pass pro was leaky. I think our coach panicked a little and was terrified of JJ getting killed and possibly strip sacked. If Harbaugh had coached we would have been less conservative, thrown more on early downs (we had easy throws there in the first half) and won 34-15. Did what we had to do though. See you in a few years
Texas and USC have National Championships since 2000. What do you fear? Could be worse? Could also be better. Live a little. Otherwise, Franklin will have a miserable existence for the next eight years. With Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA joining the Big Ten, it’s just going to get worse. I guess that is where not caring about winning is a plus.
Exactly. PSU played a team that was physically superior. UM realized after the first half that all they had to do in the second half with the lead was run the ball, hold on to it, stay solid on special teams, and play defense. UM did not throw an official pass in the second half. Not one. The essential point is that UM and tOSU are just flat our better teams than PSU. Admittedly, however, you'd hope that PSU could pull off a truly meaningful win against one of these teams on the rare occasion. The last one that really ended up mattering was in 2016.
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This old nugget again.
Not settling for less did not hurt Georgia and LSU. And it did not hurt Washington, TCU, Michigan, Notre Dame and other schools who have appeared in the playoffs.
This line is just an excuse for standing pat and doing nothing. It is a brother-in-law type of excuse. Fortunately, most of us are not related to Franklin, or act like we are.
True for USC and Texas, but 2003 and 2005 respectively. Then again, that makes 1986 seem recent.
True for USC and Texas, but 2003 and 2005 respectively. Then again, that makes 1986 seem recent.
Like almost 20 years between 03 and 86. About the same from now to 03. Point being a lot of their fans have seen a NC - ours are aging out of the last time we did it…
Who doesn't care about winning? You should stay in your lane and stick to "Who's the Hottest" polls.
Agree. I'll be 63 in December and - as my time passes algorithmically now - I'd love to see another one for PSU before I expire.
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I mean, people in this thread saying Penn State hasn’t been a top team for decades so who cares that we aren’t one now? I did make a bit of a leap in logic but feel comfortable with it.
And really, I’m not even good at making the polls.
I'm older than you, and wish the same thing. When somebody has a solution, I'm all in.Agree. I'll be 63 in December and - as my time passes algorithmically now - I'd love to see another one for PSU before I expire.
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
Horse$hit. We are not elite. The only elite football programs in the country are Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State. Clemson was in that group until their recent wane. Michigan's not there quite yet but they're close. That's it, that's all. I said it in a post after the OSU game -- you don't want to become like Nebraska and dump someone who constantly has 10-win seasons only to turn into a below .500 lot. But at SOME point, this coach has to win one or two of these games against the big programs. Isn't the point of competition to win championships, whether they be conference or national? Next year, the goalposts move and PSU will be well-positioned to get into the playoff. But there are also some very good programs popping onto the schedule and if Franklin has issues winning against the Ohio States and Michigans, what's going to happen if Washington, Oregon, and USC stay at their lofty status? And given Franklin's penchant in big games, he may get his teams into the playoff but it'll be a consistent first round exit.
But hey, I apologize for not settling back on my yacht and smoking my cigar and sipping my cognac to 10-2 seasons when I KNOW that those 2 losses could have been wins if we had better sideline management. Last year, Michigan was just better but OSU was not. This year, neither team was better but the Headsets didn't put the team in the best position to win.
Fortunately I can fall back on great memories- like all the head to head matchups with Bear Bryant's Alabama teams that we won,,,,,, nevermind.
I was acquainted with a former player during my undergrad days and for several years after graduation. Haven't seem him in over 30 years. Anyway, one of our friends asked him what he really thought of Joe. He said, "Joe was great. He was great, but he couldn't beat The Bear." Never forget the way he said it and looked when he said it. Half sad for Joe and half with reverence for The Bear.
The fact that we survived Sandusky speaks to the resilience and meaning of this program on the national level. PSU is capable of and should expect more. Don’t settle. Ever.
Just find another Connor Stalion who can keep his mouth shut, not use Venmo in his own name, and wear better disguises and we’re on our way.
We have been defeated. It’s time to admit that, eat our crow for the next 4-5 years while formulating a plan to do better with the next hire.
If Franklin were making half what he is for these results, then it’s a different story. But paying top dollar means top expectations.
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They were big games though, and this person participated in two of the biggest (79 Sugar Bowl and 81 home loss). Look at the rankings of the teams in each of those games. They were all big games for both programs. 4 games and The Bear was 4-0. We all painfully remember 79, but the 81 loss was brutal too. PSU had a great team that year. Walter Lewis was dynamite in that game though.
Vintage Penn State football: 'most embarrassing first half of Joe Paterno's career' vs. Alabama in 1981
The Penn State Nittany Lions lost to the University of Alabama, 31-16, on Nov. 14, 1981, at Beaver Stadium.
www.pennlive.com
| 2 | December 31, 1975 | New Orleans, LA | #3 Alabama | 13 | #7 Penn State | 6 |
| 3 | January 1, 1979 | New Orleans, LA | #2 Alabama | 14 | #1 Penn State | 7 |
| 4 | November 14, 1981 | State College, PA | #6 Alabama | 31 | #5 Penn State | 16 |
| 5 | October 9, 1982 | Birmingham, AL | #4 Alabama | 42 | #3 Penn State | 21 |
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I have a different opinion. I think Michigan is light years better than us this year. I think Harbaugh looked at film and realized that they could beat us any way they wanted. He wanted to impress the selection committee who have been complaining that Michigan hadn't played anyone. So Harbaugh decided he was going to show the selection committee that they could beat us by passing and then change up and show them that they could also beat us by running the ball. I think Michigan has far more talent than we do. We have a few stars on defense but no big time stars on offense. Maybe you can say that Fashanu is a star, but he is the only one on offense. We have holes all over the place, like we have receivers that might be the worst group in the Big 10. Michigan has no holes. They are two deep at every position. If we played Michigan 10 times we would likely lose 9 of the 10. That is my opinion.
I would love to win the national championship every year just like all the other posters on this board. It seems like the expectation is to win every game and if we don't then "Fire Franklin". It wasn't that way when Joe was here. We all revered Joe and even if he had a 7 - 4 year we didn't insist he be fired. We used to love 10 - 2 years with a New Years day bowl. Not anymore. The standard is to win every game or else we suck.
Do you think Joe could never beat him based on these results?
PSU’s recruiting is largely a mirage because they lack the culture and plan to successfully develop many of these kids once here.
It’s been a common theme under Franklin. Collect stars on signing day and then waste many of them once here.
The point is that he never did. It's the truth. Whether he could have isn't relevant. Alabama won all the games that The Bear coached against Joe. It's fact.
He did not say anything that was true or false. He just asked questions and made a statement that have no true/false consideration.
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Top five based on what? They’ve played one good team and he was non-existent.
The expectation is to be highly competitive with OSU and Michigan most years and beat them at a higher clip than 20%. If PSU could beat them half the time, then the Franklin criticisms go away. PSU would have multiple CFP appearances by now.
I don’t fear anything, it’s not my decision to make. I’ll support whoever our coach is.
Respect fully disagree - I just want a team that can compete with the OSU's and Michigans of the world, what I don't want is head coach who gives us zero chance with his stupid game management decisions
Lost to him in the same year he won a NC. Also fact.
Is this the argument to keep/defend Franklin? It’s not a good one.
It’s exactly what people are saying. Every loss PSU has had since James took over has been blamed on the coaching….if you don’t believe that, go look it up. It’s not like suddenly now posters are calling for him to be fired….its been going on since year one. The only thing acceptable is to win every game.
How couldn’t beat Lloyd Carr either and he was no Bear Bryant.
He’s not a good coach. And many saw that in fewer than 10 years. Others are catching up.