What a cheap loss

[CochiseCowbell]

I agree with you about taking out pitchers who are getting guys out. But managers at all levels of baseball do this all the time. They structure their bullpens by 7th inning pitchers, 8th inning pitchers, 9th inning pitchers (the old closer), etc. I think it's ridiculous, but it's the way baseball is managed these days.

This. I'm not a fan either. But, like you said it is baseball these days.

 

[Shamoan]

good thing i dont really respect your opinion, otherwise that might sting. why not give him back to back grand slams while we are at it? maybe he sprouts wings and becomes a unicorn. you are supposing my reaction is a certain way...we have lost games and i have said nothing and thats just how the ball bounces, yet you want to tell me my opinion and make an arguments against it. how kurtrambis4 of you.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I am supposing your

reaction is a certain way? Are you that oblivious? So you deny that you overreact to virtually every negative occurrence that happens in every event MSU is involved in?

ETA: Nevermind. You're right. You are usually pretty objective and even-keeled with your laid back attitude towards MSU sports.****

 

[Shamoan]

the larger point i was trying to make is pitchers were going in and getting pulled after securing outs. who the relievers are that blow the lead are largely irrelevant. you dont take pitchers out that getting outs. i have done no bashing of players. im sticking to the managerial aspect of what transpired. as a matter of fact, literally the only sentence i mentioned either pitchers was in saying "set the table for self and rigby"....how is that complaining about them? others have assumed what i might mean by that and in doing so would be reading something that i neither intended nor inferred.

as far as scott goes, he did screw us. we were, and i quote "his dream job". he was one of our own, born in the state, an allum of MSU, we gave him a chance and took a risk in him and he jumped ship creating two voids in our athletic department. his job and baseball hc. we lost two very good pieces of the puzzle and in doing so, it screwed us over. cannizarro may pan out to be the best coach we have ever hired, but following scott is an unenviable position because he was so good at what he did. did he have his reasons? sure, but i wouldnt have done it, and if its all about money, why did cohen take scotts job and make less? reconcile that for me.

 

[Shamoan]

i agree with everything you said, but the state of our bullpen is not normal, its been decimated by injury forcing guys that arent ready or over-worked into some uncomfortable positions. i think managing like that is really over-management and agree that it is ridiculous.

 

[Shamoan]

Absolutely I deny that I react to every negative occurrence. We have lost 6 baseball games and 15 basketball games. I might have commented on a quarter of the losses and of those I might have expressed concern over a decision or schematics, but lets just overreact/exaggerate and call it all of them. I prefer talking about fixing somewhat obvious problems in the hopes of correcting compared to burying my head in the sand and pretending all is well. Why can't we have a discussion without everyone getting so upset with me agreeing with what others have said. It's an opinion. You clearly disagree, but if the coaches aren't to blame and neither are the players, where does the buck stop?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Where have

I mentioned the players?

Again, I'm all for valid criticism. Invalid, not so much.

Suggesting Howland doesn't know much about basketball, outside of recruiting, is an example of INVALID criticism, to me.

 

[Shamoan]

I didn't say howland doesn't know much about basketball, you just have really ****** comprehension. I said X's and O's aren't his strength.

If it's not the coaching, what else could it be if not players?

Lets try something here, you say something negative about cann's performance in any game and I'll say something positive. I'll go first, per multiple sources Cannizzaro is an outstanding recruiter and he seems to have a wealth of energy and focus in turning this around. Now it's your turn.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Who is Louisiana Tech's Head Baaeball Coach? I see they split with Arkansas last week, winning on Tuesday and losing 13-10 on Wednesday. Maybe we should have scheduled them on Wednesday.**

 

[KurtRambis4]

If I were the

only person that has noted this dumb statement you've made about Howland, I'd maybe give you the benefit of the doubt. However, multiple, rationale folks have so there's that.

Let me ask you this. What about Howland's coaching strategy is insufficient, specifically. What is he doing wrong in his practices, that you notice?

 

[Shamoan]

You speak so well for others and you seem to have an excellent grip on what everyone thinks**. What statement of howland are we talking about, the one where you utilize your questionable comprehension abilities or the one I actually said?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Don't play dumb.

Or is it just natural. It's already been linked. Do you think I'm just....

17 it you're right. You never said such. You're right. Howland just isn't good at strategy and teaching basketball.

 

[Shamoan]

Knowing how poorly you process the written word, I can see how you might struggle with the subtitles of the English language in reference to things I and others have written. You wouldn't try to lie about or misrepresent things I have said. well, ok, maybe you would.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Ok Naismith so qualify

your statement. You said Howland's strength wasn't x's & o's. Qualify it. Describe what you're talking about. What is his weakness here, compared to others. Let's go. It's time for you to qualify this dumb 17ing statement.

 

[ShrubDog]

2 pages long and no financial advice

 

[Shamoan]

My statement stands on its own and I don't have to answer your request beyond what I have already said (which should be enough if you took the time to actually read it) and certainly not when you have dodged multiple questions I have already asked you today. If you have no idea about what my statement means, why wait until now to clarify or "quantify"? You seem upset that I'm not saying things you want me to say.

 

[Shamoan]

Don't get married unless she has money.

 

[KurtRambis4]

So in other words

you talk a lot, but don't say much.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Don't get married unless she has money.

This is just good advice in general.

 

[Shamoan]

It helps if you read it.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm giving, for the 4th

time in this thread alone, a chance for you to explain yourself. Settle the argument once and for all. Tell why Howland's weakness is X's and O's.

 

[Shamoan]

How benevolent of you, answer some of my prior questions and I will link some of my reasoning in the a.m. Or, you could do a keyword search and find it yourself.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm not good with the

search function. Why not just end it here? You keep dodging the question. Why is Howland bad at X's and O's?

 

[Shamoan]

If you aren't good with the search function, maybe tonight is a good night to familiarize yourself with it. It's really it that difficult for someone under 70. You can do it, you seem to have figured out the reply button, so you are half-way there.

 

[KurtRambis4]

For the 6th time,

Why is Howland bad at strategy? In his gameplanning, what separates him from others, in a bad way? What sets should we be running?

You could answer these, and validate your opinion, or just continue to look like a fool by dodging them and saying "that isn't wit I said!!!1"

 

[Shamoan]

Well, I'm holding out for more than 6. Let's keep going.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Annnd now it's verified.

You have no clue wtf you're talking about.

They should add "Basketball expert" to your "defensive coordinator" title, affirming you not knowing **** about either.

 

[Shamoan]

Oh, so NOW it's clear. Before my last post you had doubts, but now, now there is no doubt. It's not my fault you are either too lazy or stupid to find things that have clearly been discussed before, and I don't have to answer you when you won't extend me the same courtesy. "But I ain't no good at them interweb searches" doesn't cut it.

 

[KurtRambis4]

So you

agree, you were talking out of your ***, and don't know **** about basketball?

 

[Shamoan]

Oh, so NOW it's clear...yeah, ok. Why would I answer your questions when you haven't extended the same courtesy? It's not my fault you are too stupid or lazy to use the search feature.

 

[KurtRambis4]

if I used the search feature

to find instances of you talking out of your ***, and generally not knowing ****, I could be here for a few days (maybe longer)...

it's a great deal easier if you'd clarify your statement that Howland isn't really a good coach, here.

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[Shamoan]

Does it mean that when I agree with rambis, he doesnt know wtf he is talking about or is that only when I disagree with him?

 

[Shamoan]

I agree, therefore you don't know wtf you are talking about.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...to-town-tonight-at-11-1&p=1319753#post1319753

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

you talk a lot, but don't say much.

Jesus, where is that 'pot calling the kettle black' meme when you need it?