What a screw job.
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I have no feelings towards either of those team... but I am absolutely sick to my stomach for Galarraga.
and immediately told my wife the ump should give him the close one in that situation. Then when I saw the replay I felt like I did when the ump blew the call in The World Series that allowed the Royals to beat the Cards in game 6. The ump supposedly never got over the missed call.
If I never saw a reply, I would've never have thought twice about the ump missing it... It looked very, very close in real time. But when you saw the reply, it was pretty clear that the ump would've looked better if he fisting himself instead of making the call.
After slowing it down, the guy is out - blown call, no doubt. But, there is this double clutch move made by Galarraga where it looks like the ball isn't controlled at the tip of his glove when the ball first gets to the glove. Then, there is another motion where the ball is more secured as it moves into the pocket of the glove - almost like an initial bobble, plus a quick move to make sure it's securely in the glove.
Watch closely. He's out, regardless. But, I'm just saying I could see the ump observing that same thing in real time and interpreting it as being bobbled or unsecured. I bet when when he is interviewed he references that. Or, he should at least to save his career.
Watch closely. He's out, regardless. But, I'm just saying I could see the ump observing that same thing in real time and interpreting it as being bobbled or unsecured. I bet when when he is interviewed he references that. Or, he should at least to save his career.
This will be the trigger for full implementation of instant replay in baseball. I don't like instant replay in baseball, and I feel that human error is part of the game. There are 162 games in a year,and I thinka blowncall doesn't affect the full season as much as one in college football does.After Galarraga lost the perfect game on the blown call, I bet Selig was already receiving calls about bringing in instant replay full time.
while they can't go back and call him out, they can change the scoring decision to an error, either on the throw by the first baseman or the "bobble" or missed bag (whatever the umpire saw). They make scoring changes all of the time. This would at least salvage something.
I am a big tigers fan and it made me sick. The ump has been more than apologetic but they should go back tomorrow and make it right. The kid deserves it and if it is a blown call on the last out of the game there is no reason that it should not be fixed. It can be made right and there has to be some point where this has happened in the past. Am i the only one that thinks they will do the right thing tomorrow? The kid truly got a 28 out perfect game.
You're talking about opening a big can of worms there. Let me put it this way- if they reverse that call and give him a perfect game, I as a Cardinals fan want them to reverse Don Denkinger's call and award the Cardinals the 1985 World Series.
That's the "human element" of the game.
Now, what I do think will happen is that this incident may spur a look at furthering replay in baseball. Aside from that, I don't think that they will change it, and that absolutely sucks for Armando Galarraga.
That's the "human element" of the game.
Now, what I do think will happen is that this incident may spur a look at furthering replay in baseball. Aside from that, I don't think that they will change it, and that absolutely sucks for Armando Galarraga.
is that they handled it with class. Galaragga didn't argue but smiled and was gracious. And Joyce called him in to the umpires room and apologized and admitted in a statement that he made the wrong call and cost Galaragga the game. Such a shame though.
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But it's up there.
That's up for debate, but Denkinger's call in the 85 World Series is up there, the game in the 96 playoff between the Orioles and the Yankees where the kid clearly reached over the fence and caight the ball helping the Yankees win the series that didn't get called fan interference was pretty bad, Eric Gregg's ridiculous strike zone in the 1997 NLCS was not a call, but was very poorly officiated, and pretty much anytime Angel Hernandez steps on the field and umpires.
I swear, Angel Hernandez is the worst umpire in MLB right now, and I have no idea how he keeps his job. He's confrontational with pretty much everybody.
What Joe West did with those "balk" calls was ridiculous as well. I've never heard of an umpire ever being fined until that happened.
It's time for MLB to purge some umpires.
That's up for debate, but Denkinger's call in the 85 World Series is up there, the game in the 96 playoff between the Orioles and the Yankees where the kid clearly reached over the fence and caight the ball helping the Yankees win the series that didn't get called fan interference was pretty bad, Eric Gregg's ridiculous strike zone in the 1997 NLCS was not a call, but was very poorly officiated, and pretty much anytime Angel Hernandez steps on the field and umpires.
I swear, Angel Hernandez is the worst umpire in MLB right now, and I have no idea how he keeps his job. He's confrontational with pretty much everybody.
What Joe West did with those "balk" calls was ridiculous as well. I've never heard of an umpire ever being fined until that happened.
It's time for MLB to purge some umpires.
Gallaraga said "we're all human. We all make mistakes. He's just doing his job"
Leland said "he's been great for us over the years. Our umps do a great job"
The play was bang-bang at full speed. It wasn't until the replay was shown that everyone got bent out of shape. Still even if he beats it by a step, seems like you'd still be tempted to call the guy out..
Leland said "he's been great for us over the years. Our umps do a great job"
The play was bang-bang at full speed. It wasn't until the replay was shown that everyone got bent out of shape. Still even if he beats it by a step, seems like you'd still be tempted to call the guy out..
The umpsusually back each other up, instead of focusing on getting the call right. There was nothing stopping them from glancing at the big screen, seeing it was an out, getting in a huddle and saying he was out. But of course that would show up the 1B ump, so that's out of the question.
So, the answer, like most things, is money. Start fining the whole crew for mistakes, not just the offending ump. You'll quickly see more overturned calls, and bad umps shown the door.
So, the answer, like most things, is money. Start fining the whole crew for mistakes, not just the offending ump. You'll quickly see more overturned calls, and bad umps shown the door.
Not even close to a bang bang play. The dude was out by half a step.
I think it's pretty obvious that the further a perfect game progresses, the wider the strike zone becomes. By the same token, you would thinkan ump in the fieldwould have been looking for any reason to call the runner out....damn, if you're gonna make a mistake in that situation, make it in favor of the pitcher.
I think it's pretty obvious that the further a perfect game progresses, the wider the strike zone becomes. By the same token, you would thinkan ump in the fieldwould have been looking for any reason to call the runner out....damn, if you're gonna make a mistake in that situation, make it in favor of the pitcher.
On the final out of that game (after that ump misses that call) there is an Indian's player running from 3rd to home, but the on screen scoreboard shows a guy on first.
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umps confer and change calls sometimes. not nearly as often as they should, being the point. sure, they're not supposed to change it based on the replay on the jumbotron, but they can just confer and pretend another umpire overruled the first one because he saw it better or whatever. it's naive to think that hasn't happend.
another point, with the existing culture among umpires, what would be the point of a replay booth? the replay ump would be too reluctant to overrule, so it would mainly be a waste of time.
so, fine the whole crew for mistakes. put a rule in the book if you like, that says something like "the umpiring crew may use any means at their disposal to make/correct a call", letting them see it on the Jumbotron.
plus, i think the scorer should have the option of ruling a play a "blown call". treat it like an error.
another point, with the existing culture among umpires, what would be the point of a replay booth? the replay ump would be too reluctant to overrule, so it would mainly be a waste of time.
so, fine the whole crew for mistakes. put a rule in the book if you like, that says something like "the umpiring crew may use any means at their disposal to make/correct a call", letting them see it on the Jumbotron.
plus, i think the scorer should have the option of ruling a play a "blown call". treat it like an error.
any other umpire making that call? Umpires confer on stuff like fair/foul balls but there's no way the home plate umpire can make that call from where he is.. and none of the others either.. you'd have a manager strangle somebody if an umpire tried to make a call at first base from 30+ yards away
histrionic response to a simple mistake. big mistake under the circumstances? of course, but functionally no different that if he had missed the call with one team ahead 9 runs and nothing on the line. the guy has 21 years as an umpire and has called the World Series twice. he promptly admitted he was wrong and was obviously upset about the mistake. what is gained by firing the guy? some idiot fans are making death threats and harrassing his family. what the hell are they thinking,if anything? again, just mindless robot-like ranting from people with little to their lives other than wanting to join a mob.
a more reasonable result? make a clear rule that if the umpire crew all agree, they can watch the replay and change the call.
a more reasonable result? make a clear rule that if the umpire crew all agree, they can watch the replay and change the call.
Braves game, home plate ump ruled a pitch hit the batter, Cox argued, umps conferred (while replay is showing on Jumbotron) and changed the call, as it had obviously missed him.
the other manger did flip **** over it, though, and got tossed.
the 1B ump doens't always have the best angle, especially on plays where the pitcher is covering. the ump at 2B has a better angle. hell, that's nearly the same angle asthe replay.
everyone knew he missed that call. i guarantee you the 2B ump knew it. but they got defensive, and put the ump fraternity above getting the call right, as usually happens. that's the real problem, that instant replay alone can't fix.
the other manger did flip **** over it, though, and got tossed.
the 1B ump doens't always have the best angle, especially on plays where the pitcher is covering. the ump at 2B has a better angle. hell, that's nearly the same angle asthe replay.
everyone knew he missed that call. i guarantee you the 2B ump knew it. but they got defensive, and put the ump fraternity above getting the call right, as usually happens. that's the real problem, that instant replay alone can't fix.
that said that Selig could overturn the call, and has the authority to do so. If I were him, I know I would overturn it because it was clearly the wrong call, and the umpire admitted that he was incorrect.
And I want to say this about the umpire- I know a lot of them have holier than thou attitudes, and they almost have to- but this is an instance where the umpire has admitted that he has was wrong and is obviously remorseful about it. I've got to give him respect for that.
And I want to say this about the umpire- I know a lot of them have holier than thou attitudes, and they almost have to- but this is an instance where the umpire has admitted that he has was wrong and is obviously remorseful about it. I've got to give him respect for that.
no way in hell the 2nd base umpire has a better view of the play for 30 yards away than the 1st base umpire... the ball hitting a batter is one thing.. seeing when a guy catches the ball and whose foot hits the base first is a totally different matter from that far away. Sure everybody knows it's the wrong call because they saw the replay but no way he's in position to make that call at live speed from 2nd base.
true, it's hard for the farther away ump to see everything at once better, but it depends on why the 1B ump said he was safe. bobble the catch? 2B ump had the better view, right? he's looking right into the glove, while the 1B ump is shielded from seeing it. caught the ball after his foot left the bag? again, 2B ump has the better view of that, cause he's looking right INTO the glove, while the 1B ump can only see the outside of the glove. whose foot got there first?probably better view for the 1B ump, but i think everyone in the stadium could see it well enough to know whose footgot there first. that's why they need to confer.
but you are arguing like it was a bang-bang play. it wasn't, he had him beat by a step. everyone knew it. the ump just blew it. hell yes the 2B ump had a better view, because ANYONE had a good enough view to see he was safe. sometimes that happens, vision's a tricky thing, alot more mental than people realize.
"the ball hitting the batter is one thing". what? no, it isn't. on the play in question, it was harder to see than whose foot hit the bag first, and from farther away.
why are you arguing? if the umps got together, happened to glance at the jumbo, can see it's very clearly a missed call, and reverse it without saying its from replay (leaving the assumption its from another ump's view), would you really be complaining?
but you are arguing like it was a bang-bang play. it wasn't, he had him beat by a step. everyone knew it. the ump just blew it. hell yes the 2B ump had a better view, because ANYONE had a good enough view to see he was safe. sometimes that happens, vision's a tricky thing, alot more mental than people realize.
"the ball hitting the batter is one thing". what? no, it isn't. on the play in question, it was harder to see than whose foot hit the bag first, and from farther away.
why are you arguing? if the umps got together, happened to glance at the jumbo, can see it's very clearly a missed call, and reverse it without saying its from replay (leaving the assumption its from another ump's view), would you really be complaining?
Even if the second base umpire saw that the runner was safe, that wasn't his call to make. He would be stepping on the first base umpires toes, and that would be unethical on the part of the second base umpire. The reason that Leyland and the Tigers didn't ask for an appeal is because the second base umpire and the others would have said "It's not our call to make in that situation." If you have umpires from all parts of the diamond making calls on the same play, you would have chaos. The solution is to not screw up. Or replay.