What a way to lose a football game...

Mjoelner

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I was just about to post that link. Hope Mullen reminds our guys about that rule. The last 3 weeks its been poor decision making during a play, turnovers in the red zone and a couple of bad calls by the refs. Something like this has to be lurking right around the corner for us.
 

snoopdog

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was down when he picked up the ball. I wonder if that is reviewable in the protest?
 

jlat13

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Or is the holder's knee not down when he picks up the ball. That is about the only thing they can really protest. It looked to me he was still knelt down when he picked it up, and in high school he would be considered down right there.

Edited to add... apparently its not just me
 

Sarc Dawg

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I could see the TD counting if he scooped it up and ran it in, but it looks like the holder still had a knee down when he picked up the ball and may have also been in contact with an opposing player. Shouldn't he be ruled down and the play dead (assuming the Refs saw that part)?
 

Ivehadbetter

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I understand the rules are different in college and hs, but in that bad *** LSU fake against USC, the holder had his knee down and possession of the ball.

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I realize that the situation in this thread is post-block... which may be different.
 

therightway

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I know that the holder can have his knee on the ground and toss the ball like the LSU fake or he can get up and run or throll a forward pass. I don't know how the rule applies after the ball is kicked and it is also the second time that the touches the ball.
 

BigMotherTucker

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is the only person on the field allowed to have a knee down. This was clarified for me after a Lamar game a few weeks back. There was a bad snap to the holder he got up and ran it in for a 2pt conversion. The zebras called him down, but it came out later that it was an INCORRECT call. The 2pt conversion should have stood.
 

MSU CS 2004

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<span style="font-style: italic;">Rule 4-2-2a: The ball becomes dead and the play has ended when a runner goes out of bounds, is held so his forward progress is stopped, or allows any part of his person other than hand or foot to touch the ground.</span> <br style="font-style: italic;"> <span style="font-style: italic;">EXCEPTION 1: The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position catches or recovers the snap while his knee is on the ground and places the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.</span>
(Exception 2 allows the ball to remain live if there is a bad snap and the holder has to lift his knee to recover it, then immediately goes back down to a knee.)

After the ball was kicked, the exception for the holder no longer applies. If he has the ball with a knee down, the play is over.

(Incidentally, that LSU play referenced would have been a dead ball in high school. A holder must rise from the ground before doing anything with the ball. I'm told it also should have been dead in NCAA because the kicker was no longer in a position to kick the ball, therefore the exception had terminated.)

Assuming the coach is correct and a whistle had blown:
Rule 4-3-3 would allow John Glenn to replay the down for the inadvertent whistle, unless the whistle was blown because an official saw the holder with his knee on the ground. I hear no whistle on the video, though.

Assuming the player's knee was down, and the officials simply missed it:
<span style="font-style: italic;">Rule 1-1-9: The use of any replay or television monitoring equipment by the officials in making any decision relating to the game is prohibited.</span>

Coach, you lose. Good day, sir.