What did we learn this season!?!?

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

You are an old LWE guy. Isn't Provi LWE's main private competitor for student/athletes in the LWE district? Hasn't LWE beaten Provi every meeting? How do you account for that? Provi is one of the most successful private schools in the state, yet they can't leverage this advantage you speak to and beat LWE? If I'm not mistaken, the Griffins are 5-0 against the Celtics.

PJJP it's more than just Provi. Every school in the south land is recruiting from the Frankfort/mokena area. Go to a Burros or Falcons game on Saturday and you'll see all schools represented.

When Marist made their first run in the playoffs a couple of years ago, if I remember right, their QB and receivers were from Frankfort.

So the competition is between five privates and LWE.

 

[Corey90]

You are an old LWE guy. Isn't Provi LWE's main private competitor for student/athletes in the LWE district? Hasn't LWE beaten Provi every meeting? How do you account for that? Provi is one of the most successful private schools in the state, yet they can't leverage this advantage you speak to and beat LWE? If I'm not mistaken, the Griffins are 5-0 against the Celtics.

PC has a lot of issues that has hurt their
Recruiting. Enough said.

 

[WP606]

It's a lineman thing you wouldn't understand.

Yes I know...my IQ is too high

 

[mchsalumni]

PC has a lot of issues that has hurt their
Recruiting. Enough said.

Could you possibly be more vague @corey90?

 

[Corey90]

Could you possibly be more vague @corey90?

Yes

 

[mchsalumni]

Yes

No.

 

[stonedlizard]

Maybe

Correction

 

[LHSTigers94]

I agree with you 100% on all of what you said, especially with how being a great HS player has nothing to do with meeting D1 measurables. I am simply addressing the idea of "cherry picking the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius" and making the argument that it does not apply everywhere, more specifically in the program I am most familiar with. There have certainly been more than a few D1 talents within a 30 mile radius of LA that had the productivity to match their level of recruitment over the last several years that were not plucked from their public school either before or during their HS career.

I also agree with you in regards to some major differences in public/private programs and how success comes in a different ways. The "buy in" and "plug and play" ideas both suggest that a having a system and knowing how to identify the talent that comes in, then developing it and filling roles year in and year out is a product of good coaching, no? Just don't see the logic behind saying that private success is a result of talent and public is the result of coaching.

Both are a result of good coaching and a good program. Can't win a championship without it.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Posted on Monday and crickets since then:

Recruiting/Cherry picking the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius and acting like it's not happening is rediculious.

What school, specifically, does exactly that?

And, if it is as easy to "cherry pick the best talent" as you seem to think it is, why didn't private schools get talent like Brodner, Lees, the Harley-Hamptons, Oles, etc...? Of the six Rivals 4 star recruits in Illinois, why is only one of them at a private school? Why are eight of the top ten Rivals recruits at public schools? Why are Brokop and Gavin at LWW and LWE and not PC? Why does Montini not have ANY recruit listed among the top 35 in the state of Illinois?

Seems to me like these damn catlick recruiters that you think are so prevalent are either terrible judges of talent or mediocre recruiters in terms of getting the most talented kids to come to their schools.

Posted yesterday morning and crickets since then:

Can you be specific when you ask which private schools are consistently in state championships as a result of cherry picking the best talent around? To answer your question specifically in the case of LA, no it is not an accident. Holecek is absolutely one of the best coaches in IL. He has proven that he can consistently reach the semis and finals with zero major D1 recruits, especially at the skill positions (this year being an exception). The consistency here is absolutely a result of the coaches and players full commitment to mental and physical preparation each week and in the off season. For someone like me who sees first hand the amount of time these varsity coaches dedicate to teaching football, your statement comes off as ignorant at the very least.

If cherry picking were so prevalent, you would think that a private like LA would be able to boast having more that just 6-8 full scholarship, D1 alumni over the past 10 years. But we can't. Would it be fair to say that there are several public schools in the state that have had more talent over the past 10 years?

 

[eagles2k3]

Posted on Monday and crickets since then:



What school, specifically, does exactly that?

And, if it is as easy to "cherry pick the best talent" as you seem to think it is, why didn't private schools get talent like Brodner, Lees, the Harley-Hamptons, Oles, etc...? Of the six Rivals 4 star recruits in Illinois, why is only one of them at a private school? Why are eight of the top ten Rivals recruits at public schools? Why are Brokop and Gavin at LWW and LWE and not PC? Why does Montini not have ANY recruit listed among the top 35 in the state of Illinois?

Seems to me like these damn catlick recruiters that you think are so prevalent are either terrible judges of talent or mediocre recruiters in terms of getting the most talented kids to come to their schools.

Posted yesterday morning and crickets since then:

Im on the fence on the whole public/private thing. So don't attack me.

From what I've heard about some of those players you mentioned(Brodner, Lees, Oles) is that they grew up playing with their friends, talking about winning state, and they decided to go to the local public school.
Using Montini as not having top recruits I think is an enigma this year. I'm definitely not attacking but to say they don't have some of the top recruits in the state year in and year out is not correct.

Here is a post from the montini football website:

Northwestern

SB – Doug Diedrick Doug
D

WR – Mark Gorogianis

Nebraska

WR – Jordan Westerkamp
Jordan
W.

Iowa

DL – Jaleel Johnson

Ohio State

DE – Dylan Thompson

LB – Mike Maduko

Indiana

LB – Nile Sykes

WR – Simmie Cobbs

Minnesota

K-Andrew Harte



Thompson and Maduko will be following Montini Alum Garrett
Goebel playing for the Buckeyes! Goebel was a 3-Year starter at Defensive
Tackle and Team Captain for the Buckeyes.

=======

Other Former Bronco’s to watch getting significant playing
time are….



WR – Joey Borsellino/Western Illinois, noted in above post.

OL –Jim Lowery /Eastern Illinois, Part of the offensive line unit which protected QB Jimmy Garoppolo who is now with the New England Patriots.

QB – John Rhode/Saint Xavier, As a Freshman, Completed 104-for-170 Passes (61.2 percent) for 1,275 yards with eight touchdowns … had 51 carries for 148 yards and two touchdowns.

QB – Matt Westerkamp/Robert Morris, As a Junior and the starting QB, led the Eagles to a 7-4 record. Was one of eleven Eagles named to Mid-States Football Association All-Academic Team with a 3.92 GPA in Business Administration.

LB – Alex Walters/Saint Xavier, As a Junior had 58 tackles, including 31 solos…..Daktronics-NAIA Scholar Athlete … MSFA All-Academic Team selection.

Leon Thornton (Hillside) – Indiana University (Bloomington, IN)



Grant Branch (Bolingbrook) – Eastern Illinois University (Charleston, IL)



Terrell Johnson (Maywood) – Northern Michigan University (Marquette, MI)



Michael Johnson (Downers Grove) – Yale University (New Haven, CT)



Mason Weisenhoffer (Naperville) – Northwestern University (Chicago, IL)



Austin Warden (Lombard) – Robert Morris University (Pittsburgh, PA)



Michael Reilley (Glen Ellyn) – Butler University (Indianapolis, IN)



Stephen Dennis (Burr Ridge) – Western Michigan University (Kalamazoo, MI)

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Moi? Attack?

I hear what you are saying about Montini. Clearly, Montini has been blessed with lots of great football talent in recent years (as have public schools like Rochester, Maine South, Bolingbrook, H-F, etc.). I just think it is interesting that Montini has nobody on their championship team that is in the top 35 Rivals recruits.

My gripe is with public school apologists/whiners who make outrageous claims that private schools "cherry pick the best talent" or "can get any player they want" when it is crystal clear that does not happen in general or even at the most successful private schools.

Does being non-boundaried give private schools an advantage that public schools do not have in terms of being able to enroll student athletes from beyond the local community? Yes, BUT my argument is that the advantage is certainly not capitalized on by most private schools, and that the advantage is MORE THAN OFFSET by the advantages that public schools have that private schools do not. If private schools have such a great athletic advantage over public schools, how does that explain the fact that most students and most talented football players DO NOT CHOOSE to attend private schools? This reality is due to such factors as tuition, distance from home, religious beliefs (or the lack thereof), family tradition, and the lack of specialized academic programming at most private schools relative to public schools. This reality is evidenced by the fact that roughly 10% of all students of high school age (approx. half of whom would be girls) attend private high schools in the state of Illinois. It is further evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of football players on the Rivals recruiting database attend public schools.

 

[mchsalumni]

@eagles2k3, Maduko is a preferred walk on at OSU and Simmie Cobbs never played a down of football at Montini.

 

[Lockport Dad]

Yes I know...my IQ is too high

Are implying that linemen are stupid? Then you would be wrong, lineman are usually some of the smartest kids on the team but someone with a low IQ like you wouldn't know that.

 

[Corey90]

Moi? Attack?

I hear what you are saying about Montini. Clearly, Montini has been blessed with lots of great football talent in recent years (as have public schools like Rochester, Maine South, Bolingbrook, H-F, etc.). I just think it is interesting that Montini has nobody on their championship team that is in the top 35 Rivals recruits.

My gripe is with public school apologists/whiners who make outrageous claims that private schools "cherry pick the best talent" or "can get any player they want" when it is crystal clear that does not happen in general or even at the most successful private schools.

Does being non-boundaried give private schools an advantage that public schools do not have in terms of being able to enroll student athletes from beyond the local community? Yes, BUT my argument is that the advantage is certainly not capitalized on by most private schools, and that the advantage is MORE THAN OFFSET by the advantages that public schools have that private schools do not. If private schools have such a great athletic advantage over public schools, how does that explain the fact that most students and most talented football players DO NOT CHOOSE to attend private schools? This reality is due to such factors as tuition, distance from home, religious beliefs (or the lack thereof), family tradition, and the lack of specialized academic programming at most private schools relative to public schools. This reality is evidenced by the fact that roughly 10% of all students of high school age (approx. half of whom would be girls) attend private high schools in the state of Illinois. It is further evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of football players on the Rivals recruiting database attend public schools.

Listen you have a complete different opinion than me and a lot of public school supporters. I get it your private all the way. To say coaches from private schools don't recruit the top athletes from most feeder programs in a 30 mile radius is completely nonsense. I had both my sons recruited by both MC and PC as did several other top players. I am sure many public supporters had the same experience. They get some kids and some they didn't. Those coaches never approached the kids who were average players so the whole educational thing goes out the door when they were clearly only interested in the best players.
Public guys lets hear your stories I am sure you had similar experiences.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Listen you have a complete different opinion than me and a lot of public school supporters. I get it your private all the way. To say coaches from private schools don't recruit the top athletes from most feeder programs in a 30 mile radius is completely nonsense. I had both my sons recruited by both MC and PC as did several other top players. I am sure many public supporters had the same experience. They get some kids and some they didn't. Those coaches never approached the kids who were average players so the whole educational thing goes out the door when they were clearly only interested in the best players.

How about if you try answering the questions I posed to you two days ago?

In response to your statement that: "Recruiting/Cherry picking the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius and acting like it's not happening is rediculious," I asked you what school, specifically, does exactly that? Remember now, be specific. The best talent from ALL the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius.

I also asked you a number of other questions which I won't bother to repeat but that you have also dodged.

 

[MC63]

Well the frost has barely settled on another football season - my 43rd actually.

Minus this weekends games it was another great season. Here's the final captains log for 2015.

1 - That the Purple Riders, Vikings, Irish, Wildcats, Roadrunners, Broncos, Hilltoppers, and Ramblers are all best in class for 2015.
2 - That the testiness of the board has been at an all time low this season.
3 - That winning a state title is a lot harder than many people think.
4 - That we were again blessed with sensational senior performances - Lees, Brodner, Love, Skanes, etc.
5 - That the IHSA did a disservice to players, coaches and fans by forcing teams to play in the blizzard last weekend. Not safe not fun.
6 - That Phillips, St. Laurence, and Niles North were all great post season stories.
7 - That for the most part 1-32 DID work in 8A and 7A - IHSA us fans are on hold for. Classes 1-6.
8 - That the class exhibited even in defeat by Rockford Auburn is an example for us all.
9 - That diminishing you athletes accomplishments to make a poster feel better is the lowest life form.
10 - That my final season on the sidelines as a reporter was memorable - thanks to all the kids and coaches I covered this and the last 18 years. Farewell my friends.

Mic drop ............

Newt - whom do you work for?

 

[WP606]

Are implying that linemen are stupid? Then you would be wrong, lineman are usually some of the smartest kids on the team but someone with a low IQ like you wouldn't know that.

No, you're the one who opposed my opinion by implying I wouldn't understand your position. Then you start in on the ad hominem attacks on my IQ

If you can't explain it without brush offs and insults, forget about it and let it go. There's enough board noise already

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Newt - whom do you work for?

Been a freelance writer for the Daily Herald since 1997.

 

[Corey90]

How about if you try answering the questions I posed to you two days ago?

In response to your statement that: "Recruiting/Cherry picking the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius and acting like it's not happening is rediculious," I asked you what school, specifically, does exactly that? Remember now, be specific. The best talent from ALL the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius.

I also asked you a number of other questions which I won't bother to repeat but that you have also dodged.

I have not dodged your questions. I didn't feel comfortable pointing out schools or coaches. I don't see that appropriate or necessary on this site.
Nothing I say will matter to you anyway as your completely biased when it comes to private schools.

 

[pstre00]

↑
You are an old LWE guy. Isn't Provi LWE's main private competitor for student/athletes in the LWE district? Hasn't LWE beaten Provi every meeting? How do you account for that? Provi is one of the most successful private schools in the state, yet they can't leverage this advantage you speak to and beat LWE? If I'm not mistaken, the Griffins are 5-0 against the Celtics.
PJJP it's more than just Provi. Every school in the south land is recruiting from the Frankfort/mokena area. Go to a Burros or Falcons game on Saturday and you'll see all schools represented.

When Marist made their first run in the playoffs a couple of years ago, if I remember right, their QB and receivers were from Frankfort.

So the competition is between five privates and LWE.

False. Neither of the primary receivers on that team were from the Frankfort/ Mokena area.

 

[Lockport Dad]

No, you're the one who opposed my opinion by implying I wouldn't understand your position. Then you start in on the ad hominem attacks on my IQ

If you can't explain it without brush offs and insults, forget about it and let it go. There's enough board noise already

My original post was a joke based off of a pretty well known Jeep advertisement but I guess you didn't get it.

 

[RJ130]

Instead of trying to discredit the success of the private schools, how about DEMANDING MORE FROM YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS? Why is your football team 4-5 and rarely, if ever making the playoffs? Is it really because a couple kids in your district decided to go to a catholic school instead? Nice try. Just what will make your team better? Better support from the administration? Better Coaches? Is there constant turnover in the coaching staff? If so, why is that?? Are students choosing to go to a catholic school instead of the school in their own backyard? WHY IS THAT? Demand better from your school. Unfortunately, even the admin at many of these public schools perpetuate the victim mentality. "We just don't have the talent" "We can't "recruit" etc etc. No wonder the parents at these schools would rather point the finger at other schools success instead of having meaningful conversations at their own school on how they can raise the bar for their football program. Get Better.

 

[Jiggs]

I don't like to get into the public-private discussions but an example of a Coach taking a moribund public program, and taking it to new heights and excitement for the future is Coach Mike Barry at Hinsdale South.
Hinsdale South, like many public schools, has great facilities in their physical plant, and football facilities. What they were missing was any excitement about the football program, and kids looking elsewhere if they wanted to play high school football.
No more. It is risky predicting the future but take a look at the advantages Hinsdale South has compared to the Catholic High Schools it competes against. Location, location, location. The three Catholic high schools, Montini, Naz and Benet are many miles away from the communities that Hinsdale South serves. Tuition, no matter what anyone on this board says, and for the sake of argument I will concede that some kids get financial assistance to attend some private schools, football is a team sport. A few kids might get financial aid, but that would be the exception and not the rule. In this day and age where the average Catholic high school tuition is $11,000.00 plus against free tuition at a public high school, over four years you are talking real money.
When it comes down to it, coaching, and the ability of that coach to have parents and kids buy into the program is what makes a successful program either public or private.
I think that Hinsdale South is on its way to be a perennial football power as long is it is led by Coach Barry.

http://patch.com/illinois/hinsdale/barry-named-hinsdale-south-football-coach

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I have not dodged your questions. I didn't feel comfortable pointing out schools or coaches. I don't see that appropriate or necessary on this site.

Yet you feel it is appropriate to post claims on this site that private schools recruit/cherry pick the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius from those schools. If you don't name the private schools that you know are doing that, then you are pointing your finger at all private schools.

If you are going to make claims like that, you should back them up. If you can't or won't, then those claims are nothing more than you irresponsibly spreading unsubstantiated rumors and innuendo.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Instead of trying to discredit the success of the private schools, how about DEMANDING MORE FROM YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS? Why is your football team 4-5 and rarely, if ever making the playoffs? Is it really because a couple kids in your district decided to go to a catholic school instead? Nice try. Just what will make your team better? Better support from the administration? Better Coaches? Is there constant turnover in the coaching staff? If so, why is that?? Are students choosing to go to a catholic school instead of the school in their own backyard? WHY IS THAT? Demand better from your school. Unfortunately, even the admin at many of these public schools perpetuate the victim mentality. "We just don't have the talent" "We can't "recruit" etc etc. No wonder the parents at these schools would rather point the finger at other schools success instead of having meaningful conversations at their own school on how they can raise the bar for their football program. Get Better.

Great post. I believe the cause of what you are describing can be found in the fact that public schools pretty much have a monopoly on providing education to all who can't pay for it or don't want to pay for it. Why try to be competitive when you don't have to compete in the marketplace for students? Each year, those schools know they will enroll roughly 90% of the high school aged kids in their districts. The other 10% go to private schools, but the public schools actually LIKE that because they get the tax dollars from those families and can spread them out educating the remaining 90%.

On the other hand, private schools have to scratch and claw to divvy up the 10% of the students who want and can afford and would be well served by a private school education. Private schools that don't compete well, or that fail to adapt to changing demographics, will close their doors. We have seen that time and time again. Driscoll, Weber, Mt. Assisi, Maria, Mendel, St. Gregory, St. Scholastica...the list goes on and on.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Not every principal of a public school cares enough about football to make selecting the most qualified coach a top priority.

From the outside looking in, most Jesuits and Catholic schools I have seen maintain an intense competitive posture in their chosen specialty.

The Montini girls basketball coach doesn't need to "recruit" girls to come their program. Most all of the girls in a 30 mile radius of Montini dream of playing for that coach at that school. GW will never be competitive in girls basketball because the dream school for the best players is just down the road. That is bad if you want basketball success at GW, but one look at the history of the "coaches" selected to "coach" that basketball team GW tells you that the principal could care less about wins and losses in that sport.

True girls basketball is nothing like football, but these points apply. A successful coach becomes a magnet for top quality players. Parents will always dream of next level success for Little Johnny and will spend lots of money giving Johnny the best possible chance to live out his (their) dream.

A school like GW likely poses many more opportunities for kids to trip up on their way toward the prize. We have seen players thrown off the teams for violations pursued through the righteous indignation of non-sport parents that seek to make kids pay for their transgressions, not learn from them. Those same "transgressions" might be viewed differently when there is the shared commitment of religion involved. Maybe not.

 

[mchsalumni]

The other 10% go to private schools, but the public schools actually LIKE that because they get the tax dollars from those families and can spread them out educating the remaining 90%.

Bingo. How about we close all the private schools and see how the people who abhor private schools feel when their kid is in a freshmen match class with 50 kids as opposed to 35. Remember, us big bad Catholic school people help fund your kids at public schools.

 

[eagles2k3]

Instead of trying to discredit the success of the private schools, how about DEMANDING MORE FROM YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS? Why is your football team 4-5 and rarely, if ever making the playoffs? Is it really because a couple kids in your district decided to go to a catholic school instead? Nice try. Just what will make your team better? Better support from the administration? Better Coaches? Is there constant turnover in the coaching staff? If so, why is that?? Are students choosing to go to a catholic school instead of the school in their own backyard? WHY IS THAT? Demand better from your school. Unfortunately, even the admin at many of these public schools perpetuate the victim mentality. "We just don't have the talent" "We can't "recruit" etc etc. No wonder the parents at these schools would rather point the finger at other schools success instead of having meaningful conversations at their own school on how they can raise the bar for their football program. Get Better.

I would think the complaints about the private schools come more from the schools who have solid teams year in and year out and then have their once in a generation team and end up losing to a private school. I think the best examples of these are schools like Sycamore, Kaneland, Normal Community, Lincoln Way West,. Washington(2013??)etc...

I could see how some of these schools will complain when they end up losing after working hard throughout their lives to win a state championship.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I would think the complaints about the private schools come more from the schools who have solid teams year in and year out and then have their once in a generation team and end up losing to a private school. I think the best examples of these are schools like Sycamore, Kaneland, Normal Community, Lincoln Way West,. Washington(2013??)etc...

I could see how some of these schools will complain when they end up losing after working hard throughout their lives to win a state championship.

No, the whining happens in most sports. We just happen to be focused on football here at edgy's.

The reality is that public school whiners/apologists will often look to the convenient/expedient excuse of recruiting to explain why their school lost to a private school. It is rarely that they got beat fair and square. It is frequently that they lost because the private school they lost to recruits an all star team. Doesn't matter if that same private school loses in the very next round to a different public school. This happens in pretty much all sports and you especially hear it when private schools knock public schools out of the playoffs.

 

[capnbillhitters]

I would think the complaints about the private schools come more from the schools who have solid teams year in and year out and then have their once in a generation team and end up losing to a private school. I think the best examples of these are schools like Sycamore, Kaneland, Normal Community, Lincoln Way West,. Washington(2013??)etc...

I could see how some of these schools will complain when they end up losing after working hard throughout their lives to win a state championship.

Normal was beat by WWS last year and Lville this year, but your point is likely valid. You only squeal when it happens to you.

 

[Corey90]

Yet you feel it is appropriate to post claims on this site that private schools recruit/cherry pick the best talent from all the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius from those schools. If you don't name the private schools that you know are doing that, then you are pointing your finger at all private schools.

If you are going to make claims like that, you should back them up. If you can't or won't, then those claims are nothing more than you irresponsibly spreading unsubstantiated rumors and innuendo.

Although I choose not to point out schools and coaches. I stand by my comments on recruiting. I would not say it if it didn't happen.
Maybe we should look at this recruiting thing from a different angle. There are 1188 public schools and 331 private schools in the state of Illinois. Now look at the percent of championships won by each. I am not sure how many of these schools actually have football programs? I think we would see the recruiting by the privates schools is a definite advantage.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Although I choose not to point out schools and coaches. I stand by my comments on recruiting. I would not say it if it didn't happen..

You can stand by your recruiting comments all you want. They are simply nothing more than a bald faced lie. Remember, you said private schools recruit/cherry pick the BEST talent at ALL the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius of their schools. If you cannot back up your statement because you find it uncomfortable or inappropriate, then I'm going call you out as spreading lies. Don't bother asking me to prove how I know that. I would not find it comfortable to do so.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Maybe we should look at this recruiting thing from a different angle. There are 1188 public schools and 331 private schools in the state of Illinois. Now look at the percent of championships won by each. I am not sure how many of these schools actually have football programs? I think we would see the recruiting by the privates schools is a definite advantage.

What sort of advantage do the boundaried schools of New Trier and Hinsdale Central have that allow them to win more IHSA titles BY FAR than every other school both public and private? Whatever it is, it is unfair and I think they should be separated out into their own class of two.

 

[UlbKA91]

^Whoa! That sounds like the prelude to an income redistribution scheme.

 

[jwarigaku]

Ramblinman,

Here is a case in point, Isaiah Robertson played for Naperville Chargers and Naperville Patriots, Same is true for the Rhattigan brothers, Mikey and Danny Dudek played for the Naperville Patriots, as did the Borske brothers and Owen Pisch. They all went or are going to Neuqua Valley, and the list goes on for Neuqua. I could make similar lists for Naperville Central, Naperville North, Metea Valley, Waubonsie Valley, Wheaton Warrenville South, etc... Point is these schools get their share of the Cherry pickable players because they have all created good programs that attract those players. Play better, be successful, and keep your players, otherwise they will go some place else.

You can stand by your recruiting comments all you want. They are simply nothing more than a bald faced lie. Remember, you said private schools recruit/cherry pick the BEST talent at ALL the feeder programs in a 30 mile radius of their schools. If you cannot back up your statement because you find it uncomfortable or inappropriate, then I'm going call you out as spreading lies. Don't bother asking me to prove how I know that. I would not find it comfortable to do so.

 

[GMAN81]

Newt:

I can say one thing we have learned. The public/private debate will never end. But we knew that already didn't we?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Newt:

I can say one thing we have learned. The public/private debate will never end. But we knew that already didn't we?

Doc you're right. It not only wont end the argument is getting dumber and dumber.

 

[mc140]

What sort of advantage do the boundaried schools of New Trier and Hinsdale Central have that allow them to win more IHSA titles BY FAR than every other school both public and private? Whatever it is, it is unfair and I think they should be separated out into their own class of two.

They win the majority of their titles in sports where there is little statewide competition like Tennis, Golf, Swimming and also typically involves thousands of dollars in individualized year round training.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

They win the majority of their titles in sports where there is little statewide competition like Tennis, Golf, Swimming and also typically involves thousands of dollars in individualized year round training.

That matters not. Geez, get with the program, mc140! It's about FAIRNESS, taking TURNS as champions and everybody getting a trophy. Didn't you get the memo?

NT and HC have an obvious advantage and should be dealt with accordingly.

 

[LHSTigers94]

That matters not. Geez, get with the program, mc140! It's about FAIRNESS, taking TURNS as champions and everybody getting a trophy. Didn't you get the memo?

NT and HC have an obvious advantage and should be dealt with accordingly.

Not sure why private supports pretend that the issue is widespread and not centralized. In the 3A-5A ranks, It is a huge advantage for some schools. To pretend like public schools are blowing smoke is simply crazy. Now if a 6A or higher public school whine about losing to a private opponent, I will point to most of the comments in this thread in reference to developing a better program.