What did we learn week 6!?!?!?!?!?

[LakeCtyNewt]

At the 2/3 pole of the regular season and some fun stuff this past week.

1 - That Maine South uses every last second
2 - that GBW doesn't need a whole lot more than Brodner - he's more than enough.
3 - That kicking to Jalin Powe of Warren is proving to be more and more dangerous
4 - That Cole Kmet is a find for Notre Dame
5 - That while Rices win over MC was pretty those orange unis are not
6 - That Barrington looks to be the MSL best - at least this week.
7 - That yes, Huntley is that good.
8 - That NO ONE wins when teachers walk out on kids.
9 - That we have some familiar playoff qualifiers and some not so familiar non-qualifiers.
10 - That Libertyville can throw it too!

On to week 7

 

[boylanfan33]

At the 2/3 pole of the regular season and some fun stuff this past week.

1 - That Maine South uses every last second
2 - that GBW doesn't need a whole lot more than Brodner - he's more than enough.
3 - That kicking to Jalin Powe of Warren is proving to be more and more dangerous
4 - That Cole Kmet is a find for Notre Dame
5 - That while Rices win over MC was pretty those orange unis are not
6 - That Barrington looks to be the MSL best - at least this week.
7 - That yes, Huntley is that good.
8 - That NO ONE wins when teachers walk out on kids.
9 - That we have some familiar playoff qualifiers and some not so familiar non-qualifiers.
10 - That Libertyville can throw it too!

On to week 7

That it seems to be getting worse for Boylan.

 

[Ballyard8]

Glenbard North keeps finding incredible lineman year after year.

 

[Ogre5530]

Boylan has about hit rock bottom. Plain and simple. Outgained 413-162 in a 33-10 loss against Freeport.

 

[BretEpic]

Glenbard North keeps finding incredible lineman year after year.

Carol Stream people are just tougher IMO IYAM

 

[dcaudle68]

All the Boylan talent now goes to Lutheran

 

[Topiarydan1]

Ohhhh - I like the orange jerseys for special games. It's an acquired taste the burnt orange but if you go there you like.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Last year when Herscher played Lutheran, one of their chain guys told me that the main youth program in Rockford is now sending their kids to Lutheran instead of Boylan.. they realize its easier to win 4A than 7A with basically the same talent.. whether true or not don't know, but what he said

 

[illini14]

Last year when Herscher played Lutheran, one of their chain guys told me that the main youth program in Rockford is now sending their kids to Lutheran instead of Boylan.. they realize its easier to win 4A than 7A with basically the same talent.. whether true or not don't know, but what he said

And, Lutheran has started their own youth feeder program. They didn't have one before Bazali took over to the best of my knowledge.

 

[MC63]

"when teachers walk out on kids."

Are you serious?

Are teachers supposed to work for low wages? They're professionals -- many have advanced degrees. They should be paid accordingly.

It's very unfortunate that some games will be forfeited, but they have to put their families first.

 

[SweetWalter34]

"when teachers walk out on kids."

Are you serious?

Are teachers supposed to work for low wages? They're professionals -- many have advanced degrees. They should be paid accordingly.

It's very unfortunate that some games will be forfeited, but they have to put their families first.

Those are good questions. Here's another one:

Is it ever right, is it ever moral, for an adult human being to harm a child?

 

[JFelice]

Those are good questions. Here's another one:

Is it ever right, is it ever moral, for an adult human being to harm a child?

Lol

 

[MC63]

Of course not.

No one is actually being harmed at all. School will resume and lessons will be made up.

Teachers have every right to strike if they feel they are being denied adequate compensation.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

"when teachers walk out on kids."

Are you serious?

Are teachers supposed to work for low wages? They're professionals -- many have advanced degrees. They should be paid accordingly.

It's very unfortunate that some games will be forfeited, but they have to put their families first.

MC

How many companies are tossing around raises at 9 plus percent and claiming its cost of living?

How many companies pay for insurance retirement and do so 12 months of he year when you only work 9?

I'm using the example of Woodland District 50 which is one of the highest paid districts in the state and that's what their teachers are demanding!

I'd love to get paid those low wages.

And YES they walk out on the kids. Explain that to all the seniors at McHenry that don't get a homecoming this year.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

And I have every right to call them greedy.

 

[MC63]

And I have every right to call them greedy.

And i have every right to call you something else (although Edgy might kick me off the board for being so specific.)

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Oh please MC really? I express my opinion and you chose to be childish? I expect more.

 

[sac'em]

IMO, its the State of Illinois that is to blame. Teachers are required to do so much more than teach in today's public school. There are many extra responsibilities put on teachers by the state and the state refuses to pay for it. I ask all non-teachers, would you work required overtime and not be paid for it? And possibly lose your job if you chose not to do it?
BTW: Teachers get paid year round because they choose to be paid over a 12 month period instead of a 9 month period. If teachers chose the 9 month pay, their benefits would still carry over the summer because they are paying for it year round. To imply that teachers don't deserve their pay or benefits year round because they only work 9 months a year is idiotic.
If you don't like the job that teachers do or you don't see the reasons why they are so important, then home-school your kid(s). Or, do what Wisconsin did and get rid of unions, lower teacher pay, and deal with a teacher shortage that causes your governor to pull out of the Presidential race. Also, don't complain about low test scores and failing students; you get what you pay for.

 

[jdhitters]

Someone call TSA. Multiple hijackings.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

Why is it the teachers fault??? Why no blame on the adminstration?? How about the taxpayers??

 

[capnbillhitters]

11. Never question a teacher, they are always right

I am not a non-union guy and want the highest quality teachers my taxes can afford just like everyone else, but please don't give me the line "would you work required overtime and not be paid for it?" In today's business world, everyone that is on salary works more than 40 hours a week and fails to get overtime. I average 50-60 hours a week busting my tail for a set salary where I went four years with only a single COLA adjustment of 2.3%. We have just come out of a horrendous economy and everyone is still smarting, so please start a new thread called "How Crappy is My Job" for a discourse on workplace difficulties.

 

[NazDad]

12. We learned that there is passion on both sides of the picket line.

 

[sac'em]

All teachers ask for is to be paid a fair wage that reflects their education level, responsibilities, and experience. I think most people ask the same from their employers. If School Districts refuse to negotiate or make offers that are insulting to the teachers' union, then the union has the right to vote to strike. Information in the news about teacher strikes does not always reflect what is actually happening in negotiations. Teachers don't want to strike, it prolongs the school year and they are, in some cases, the only ones who care about the kids. They have labor rights just like everyone else in this country. Saying they don't care about the kids because they are concerned for their own well-being and their family's well-being is immature and uneducated.

BTW: Teachers do not have a "crappy" job. They have to deal with "crappy" parents, "crappy" administrators, "crappy" school environments, "crappy" outdated resources, and a "crappy" state government that makes educational decisions with non-educational backgrounds. All this, while trying to educate all children in this country.

IMO, teachers should make so much more, just like firefighters, police officers, and nurses.
Teachers are probably the most influential non-relatives in a child's life. Treat them that way.

Also, wonder why the "union" coaches didn't try to stop the strike from happening. They must not care about the kids either.

 

[capnbillhitters]

BTW: Teachers do not have a "crappy" job. They have to deal with "crappy" parents, "crappy" administrators, "crappy" school environments, "crappy" outdated resources, and a "crappy" state government that makes educational decisions with non-educational backgrounds. All this, while trying to educate all children in this country.

IMO, teachers should make so much more, just like firefighters, police officers, and nurses.
Teachers are probably the most influential non-relatives in a child's life. Treat them that way.

Also, wonder why the "union" coaches didn't try to stop the strike from happening. They must not care about the kids either.

We are simply suggesting that another thread is the appropriate place to make your case.

And by the way, if you cite "crappy" in the context of those things that impact your job (parents, administrators, environs, resources <whew>, state govs) any normal human being would say that you have a "crappy" job considering all of those things impact your "job."

 

[sac'em]

That's why normal human beings can not be teachers. It takes a special person to deal with all that and focus on what they can do for the kids.

 

[MC63]

All teachers ask for is to be paid a fair wage that reflects their education level, responsibilities, and experience. I think most people ask the same from their employers. If School Districts refuse to negotiate or make offers that are insulting to the teachers' union, then the union has the right to vote to strike. Information in the news about teacher strikes does not always reflect what is actually happening in negotiations. Teachers don't want to strike, it prolongs the school year and they are, in some cases, the only ones who care about the kids. They have labor rights just like everyone else in this country. Saying they don't care about the kids because they are concerned for their own well-being and their family's well-being is immature and uneducated.

BTW: Teachers do not have a "crappy" job. They have to deal with "crappy" parents, "crappy" administrators, "crappy" school environments, "crappy" outdated resources, and a "crappy" state government that makes educational decisions with non-educational backgrounds. All this, while trying to educate all children in this country.

IMO, teachers should make so much more, just like firefighters, police officers, and nurses.
Teachers are probably the most influential non-relatives in a child's life. Treat them that way.

Also, wonder why the "union" coaches didn't try to stop the strike from happening. They must not care about the kids either.

Amen, amen, amen.

 

[CoachHansen05]

All teachers ask for is to be paid a fair wage that reflects their education level, responsibilities, and experience. I think most people ask the same from their employers. If School Districts refuse to negotiate or make offers that are insulting to the teachers' union, then the union has the right to vote to strike. Information in the news about teacher strikes does not always reflect what is actually happening in negotiations. Teachers don't want to strike, it prolongs the school year and they are, in some cases, the only ones who care about the kids. They have labor rights just like everyone else in this country. Saying they don't care about the kids because they are concerned for their own well-being and their family's well-being is immature and uneducated.

BTW: Teachers do not have a "crappy" job. They have to deal with "crappy" parents, "crappy" administrators, "crappy" school environments, "crappy" outdated resources, and a "crappy" state government that makes educational decisions with non-educational backgrounds. All this, while trying to educate all children in this country.

IMO, teachers should make so much more, just like firefighters, police officers, and nurses.
Teachers are probably the most influential non-relatives in a child's life. Treat them that way.

Also, wonder why the "union" coaches didn't try to stop the strike from happening. They must not care about the kids either.

Preach.

 

[SweetWalter34]

They have labor rights just like everyone else in this country. Saying they don't care about the kids because they are concerned for their own well-being and their family's well-being is immature and uneducated.

Is it always morally "right" to exercise one's legal "rights"?
Is it immature and uneducated for an adult human being to put the interests of a child ahead of his own?

 

[MC63]

And I have every right to call them greedy.

You have every right to call teachers greedy, but I don't have the right to call you something appropriate. Is that it? That's childish? You've been getting away with cheap attacks for too long.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

And I didn't hijack this thread! Be a man step up and call me what you want!

And what exactly do I "get away with."

 

[PowerI66_]

And I didn't hijack this thread! Be a man step up and call me what you want!

And what exactly do I "get away with."

They didn't hijack it. You put it on your list as something we learned this week. YOU opened the door for discussion when you clearly have claimed to know all their is to know about the situation. MAYBE you are correct on your assessment. However, to state that it with such a certainty is ridiculous. Hence you getting called out.

 

[sac'em]

Is it always morally "right" to exercise one's legal "rights"?
Is it immature and uneducated for an adult human being to put the interests of a child ahead of his own?

Collectively, as a whole, yes it is morally right.
Forgive me if I'm not running an orphanage from my home and donating all of my disposable income to youth charities like you, but I have a family to support and that is priority #1.

 

[SweetWalter34]

No one is actually being harmed at all.

That's a ludicrous statement.
Of course people are harmed by strikes.
In fact, it's because strikes cause harm that hard-working union workers of the past had to fight so fiercely (literally and figuratively) for the right to strike. To deny strikes cause people harm is to deny the hard-won gains of the labor movement.

 

[SweetWalter34]

Collectively, as a whole, yes it is morally right.

Always? That was my question.

 

[capnbillhitters]

"I object to this line question your honor, I believe the defendant has made clear that he speaks only from his perspective regarding a case near and dear to his heart."

Judge; "Abstained"

 

[SweetWalter34]

"I object to this line question your honor, I believe the defendant has made clear that he speaks only from his perspective regarding a case near and dear to his heart."

Judge; "Abstained"

So, on this board, we shouldn't expect a thoughtful answer to a thoughtful question?

Wait, don't answer that...

 

[capnbillhitters]

no...I believe we are taking an argument best served through a new thread and beating it into a semantic battle that is inflaming folks when the point of this site is to be excited about high school sports. Kids missing games, from the perspective of the sports fan, hurts the kids. Maybe it is really that it hurts the kids within us that spend so much time obsessing over high school football in threads we look forward to each week.

There is a presumption being posited that a strike always hurts kids, while some feel strongly about their cause & believe that they are teaching the kids something about standing up for their hard won rights. As many here have said, Amen. Both sides can hold a conflicting concept in which both may be correct from their subjective position. Being an objective observer and holding both conflicting thoughts with empathy for all involved is a form of intellectual compassion we should all aspire.

Do I think all involved will ever be empathetic to the other side's perspective? No.

Do I think such intellectual debate deserves it's own thread? yes.

 

[MC63]

You still haven't answered my question - why can you call teachers greedy, but not allow anyone to respond in kind to you?

You don't help yourself with expressions like "childish" and "man up". They weaken your argument.

I would be happy to be more precise in my opinion of you, but Edgy has already banished posters from this board for breaking his rules. I'm very fond of this board, so I won't get specific. I can, however, point you to a scene in the classic movie, "Animal House." (Perhaps someone you know has seen it.) There, Dean Wormer tells Greg Marmalard that he needs to get something done, and he tells Greg to "Put Neidermeyer on it." His next sentence explains Neidermeyer's specific quality that made the dean select him. The good dean clearly speaks my thoughts about you. Search through "On Demand." It shouldn't be too hard to find.

Invite Ignazio over to watch it with you. (Make him bring the popcorn!)

 

[sac'em]

To think that when a teachers' union strike, they are worried about a high school football game is obsurbed. I bet in most high school districts over half the staff couldn't tell you who the head coach is or what the team's record is. I know we all love football and hold it in a sacred place in our hearts, but please remember, this is only high school football. We are talking about sticking up for your rights as a worker and providing for yourself and your family.

So, I will add to the What did we learn:

13. Some people place high school football above education, employee/civil rights, and family.

Sac'em out!!!

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

You still haven't answered my question - why can you call teachers greedy, but not allow anyone to respond in kind to you?

You don't help yourself with expressions like "childish" and "man up". They weaken your argument.

I would be happy to be more precise in my opinion of you, but Edgy has already banished posters from this board for breaking his rules. I'm very fond of this board, so I won't get specific. I can, however, point you to a scene in the classic movie, "Animal House." (Perhaps someone you know has seen it.) There, Dean Wormer tells Greg Marmalard that he needs to get something done, and he tells Greg to "Put Neidermeyer on it." His next sentence explains Neidermeyer's specific quality that made the dean select him. The good dean clearly speaks my thoughts about you. Search through "On Demand." It shouldn't be too hard to find.

Invite Ignazio over to watch it with you. (Make him bring the popcorn!)

Ok now you got me. All it takes is one Animal House reference and I am putty in your hands.

I don't consider it name calling by calling someone greedy. I look at it this way, everyone should fight for whatever they can get. In a free market society that's what it should be.

But when you fight under the guise of calling 9.9% increases in successive years a cost of living increase it doesn't spell out anything but greed.

I'm the son of a teacher. My dad taught for 33 years and went on strike once - for two days.

Where my issue was you don't need to name call me for giving my opinion. Sure I'm a wise mouth - always have been and I won't apologize for it. But this isn't meant to be some kind of personal attack or vendetta. Instead it's my view on a situation like a teachers strike.

And yes when teachers strike they walk off the job - essentially walking out on the kids. It's a harsh statement but it's true.

And trust me the school boards are no angels either. Especially here in Gurnee we got a couple of real special folk on our local school board.