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dawg21

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In this day and age...its surprising. I can't believe the players haven't kicked his ***.
 
dawgman42

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He's no Bobby Knight. Win a championship and then we'll see what leeway you get.
 
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If I was a current player, I think I'd look elsewhere. He and Billy Gillespie should be banned from working with college students. Take that garbage to high school, where a parent will beat your ***, or to the NBA, where a player will beat your ***.
 
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00Dawg

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*Shrug*
I'm one of those guys who has seen firsthand that trying to remove harsh criticism from society has drastically decreased the ability of a lot of young adults to function in the real world. He's obviously taking it a little far with the physicality and I'm rarely a fan of profanity, but we're not having this discussion 10 years ago, and that's usually my cue to say "who cares".
 
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dawgstudent

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Here's the other question Paul Pabst brought up on twitter. The coach was suspended and fined by the AD because of this. Can the AD fire him if nothing new comes about?
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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It's awful, but I'm not surprised. I think alot of coaches get a sense of entitlement once they step into the limelight. If he isn't fired, I doubt he's there this time next year. Every other coach in the B1G is going to slow recruits parents this video as say "That's what's going on at Rutgers. Do you want to go there?"
 
seshomoru

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Ahhh... the adult school yard bully.

I realize the motivational and rah rah aspect of sports makes them a bit different than any other circumstance in life, but come on. In what other setting is that behavior even remotely tolerated? What if a teacher called your kid a 17ing ****** and threw a book at him or her... all in an effort to motivate them?

You would also think the Rutgers administration would be on high alert for what the coach was calling those kids. Seeing as how not that long ago, a kid committed suicide after somebody filmed him and his boyfriend and broadcast it over the internet.
 
seshomoru

seshomoru

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Decent question I suppose.

The AD can certainly be fired, though. I'm assuming there is some sort of board or regents or something that can step in and clean house entirely.
 
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chew1095

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*** chewings permissible. Dont care if it is a sport, business, life, whatever. No one is above an *** chewing. HOWEVER, pushing, shoving, hitting, or whatever, should not be tolerated. If that sorry sack of **** did that to my kid, it'd be on.

I strongly disagree with prohibiting or limiting anything that further leads to the pussification of 'Merica, but this is way over the line.
 
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patdog

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More people than just the coach are going to wind up getting fired over this now. The AD and maybe the president will go down too now.
 
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00Dawg said:
*Shrug*
I'm one of those guys who has seen firsthand that trying to remove harsh criticism from society has drastically decreased the ability of a lot of young adults to function in the real world. He's obviously taking it a little far with the physicality and I'm rarely a fan of profanity, but we're not having this discussion 10 years ago, and that's usually my cue to say "who cares".
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Ill add you to the list of people I wouldnt want to play for, much less send my kids to.
First off, you dont think this would have been a big deal in 2003?!?! Why the 17 not? You are either incredibly young and dont remember what the overall culture and temperature of such behavior would have been back then, or you are incredibly old and dont remember.

Second, do you not understand the difference between profanity that is directed towards effort and execution and profanity that is directed at the person and who they are?

Your comment about young adults not being able to function in the world is just hilarious. Somehow startups are being...started up...all over the world by young adults. They are at the forefront of creating and using the technology that is exponentially expanding and improving. Young adults are still enlisting and blindly going to war to support the country their parents told them is the greatest in the world and is blessed with Exceptionalism. Young adults are the early adapters that help push our economy. Young adults are filling up law schools in record amounts for the opportunity to gain more education and possibly represent people with great zeal.

Yes, some young adults suck at responsibility. Yes, some young adults have an unrealistic idea for where they should start in the workforce and what value they provide.
I have had training on how to motivate the current generation that is coming out of college since it is so different from mine(im 32) and previous generations. That, to me, is funny since I am more than happy to make them conform to how I/we want and not the other way around, but it was a good learning experience still.

You take the few and broadly apply the brush to all.


Calling kids/young adults misogynistic and homophobic terms to motivate them is not needed. Its just not needed in any area of life, even sports.
Rice, the Rutgers coach, is not a leader. He is a bully without the knowledge or ability to inspire, motivate, and lead. He may head up a group, but he is not a leader.
 
ckDOG

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There's a line between intensity and being a dick

That guy clearly crosses it. Who would really want to play their guts out for that guy? Behavior like that from a coach will only get his players to quit on him. They may go through the motions he wants him to, but it's only to keep their scholarship and move on to the next day - not to make him a winner.

And then there is the slur part. Once caught calling his players f---ts and the like, an AD is going to have no choice in firing him. That has no place in collegiate athletics in 2013. Leave that crap to the grade school playgrounds.
 
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esplanade91

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Humiliation should be a secondary source of motivation. I can tell you that the possibility of humiliation has gotten me to do a ton of stuff I didn't want to do, but I wasn't getting berated verbally like that or getting kicked or getting balls thrown at me. A good teacher knows what he's doing, and clearly he does not.

I'm not questioning his basketball knowledge. He got where he is because he knows a **** ton about basketball, but he missed a serious life note somewhere along the way.
 
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HammerOfTheDogs

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You don't have to humiliate players to get them to play their best. Come to think of it, you don't need to humiliate players to work their asses off and make their tongues drag to the ground. What you saw was a guy with no self-control. That wasn't "fiery", even in the Bobby Knight sense....that was a weak person who felt he had to bully his players to get their attention.
 
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HammerOfTheDogs

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You don't have to punch players or throw stuff at them, to get them to do what you want. You can be a total hardass without mocking and belittling the players, or even raising your voice for that matter.
 
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Yeah I don't see how he made it as long as he did

Those videos make him come off as a damn lunatic
 
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UIUCDog

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They should’ve fired him when this came to light. The fact that they do it only now, when OTL has blown the lid off it, makes them look like wieners.
 
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Weren't the upper-ups at Rutgers sent into a total outrage over Don Imus? Then they initially only suspend this guy for a few games (then can him only when the video comes out).
In-thread buy/sell: the firing is made easier by Rutgers relatively low position in the Big East hoops pecking order?
 
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Wicked Pissah

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And the ******** of about 8 sec football coaches just got real tight....praying nobody snuck in an iphone to a closed practice....
 
Xenomorph

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I doubt that...

First of all, there's no such thing as a closed practice where NOBODY from outside the program is in attendance. Second, no practices at the college level have more cameras on them than SEC Football. If a coach was acting like that, somebody would squeal pretty quick. ....Ask Mike Leach.
 
00Dawg

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Meh. You're wigging out a bit much. I'm not praising the guy or advocating his actions, just not seeing it as a huge deal.

I'm just a little older than you, have a say in hiring decisions at work, and have much younger siblings, including one currently in a combat zone. The generational gap in the ability to handle criticism and responsibility is considerable to put it mildly. Finding good ones for the traditional work environment is absolutely possible, but its a factor more difficult than it was, say, 8 years ago. We immediately snag the ones we can, but we have job openings available for months at a time for a reason....several developer jobs going unfilled right now in fact.

Meanwhile, I agree their societal traits give them a leg up on technological entrepreneurship, but I don't see an increasing number of law school applicants as a positive....the last employment numbers I remember seeing for that particular career weren't good, and our society is too litigious as it is. They're obviously outperformed the Baby Boomers in willingness to sacrifice for their country, so that remains a credit to them.

Meanwhile, let's flash back to 2003. Does anyone care about homophobic slurs then? Not really. My exposure to direct coaching predates that, but certainly the rest of the language wouldn't have been out of place just a few years earlier. I'd have just thought of him as a dick for that and moved on. Heck, that's light compared to some stuff I heard from assistants that are now head football coaches in Mississippi.

The physicality is concerning, but does it make ESPN.com headlines in 2003? I don't think so. Certainly the discussion is very different if it happens.
 
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paindonthurt_

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Being a hard ***, cussing, being intense, getting in a guys face, etc. I have ZERO problem with. I actually enjoy coaches that are hard knocks.

From the Rice video? I'd have either A. beat his *** or B. had my *** beat. Throwing balls at players (head or anywhere else) is being a 17ing tool/douche. No need or place for that.

Hell I don't ever remember seeing Bobby Knight doing some of that ****. I could be wrong, but I remember him being in your face and intense. I don't remember seeing him physically handle players. If so, it was more of an isolated incident as opposed to standard operating procedure.
 
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UIUCDog

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There was the one guy that Knight choked that got so much attention. But I guess like you said I guess that was more of an isolated incident. Although I think he followed that up with grabbing some random student by the arm on the IU campus who he felt had disrespected him, and I think he was shown the door at that point or shortly thereafter.
 
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