The middle and lower classes also work yet their benefits get targeted while yours don't.
What fallout of the Big Beautiful Bill will be the funniest?
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I’d happily pay 20% less like they do in taxes in exchange for losing benefits. That’s a MASSIVE benefit unto itself. And what benefits btw? Middle class people shouldn’t be on Medicaid. Poor people are eligible if they do the bare minimum.
And people shouldn’t expect benefits from the government. In other words, they shouldn’t expect their government to take money from people who earn it and give it to them without doing something to earn it.
The bottom line is the math has made it abundantly clear in this thread that the “rich” benefit at a lower relative rate than others. If anyone should be upset, it’s the people carrying the water for everyone else who are getting a lesser reprieve from the burden of excessive taxation.
Of course you would because you'd still be rich and you could pay for your healthcare out of your pocket.
And since Republicans are against raising the minimum wage while making it harder to attain and keep healthcare, the people who dig the ditches, pave your roads, mow your lawn and serve you at your favorite restaurant are fvcked. So explain to me like I'm 5 how all the people who do the essential jobs that you won't do are supposed to have their healthcare covered if they aren't subsidized with our taxes?
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You and your narratives.
Of course you would because you'd still be rich and you could pay for your healthcare out of your pocket.
And since Republicans are against raising the minimum wage while making it harder to attain and keep healthcare, the people who dig the ditches, pave your roads, mow your lawn and serve you at your favorite restaurant are fvcked. So explain to me like I'm 5 how all the people who do the essential jobs that you won't do are supposed to have their healthcare covered if they aren't subsidized with our taxes?
Of course you would because you'd still be rich and you could pay for your healthcare out of your pocket.
And since Republicans are against raising the minimum wage while making it harder to attain and keep healthcare, the people who dig the ditches, pave your roads, mow your lawn and serve you at your favorite restaurant are fvcked. So explain to me like I'm 5 how all the people who do the essential jobs that you won't do are supposed to have their healthcare covered if they aren't subsidized with our taxes?
Ah yes, healthcare funding. Let’s stick to the core principles of personal responsibility and paying your fair share.
I’ve long advocated for health insurance rates to be individually dependent on your controllable risk factors. I agree with you that a healthy, in shape, no chronic condition person is faced with an unreasonable insurance premium in many cases. But a big reason for that is a significant portion of the risk pool are riddled with preventable chronic conditions, are significantly overweight and occupy a disproportionate share of the medical claims risk.
We shouldn’t shift cost responsibility based on something unrelated like income. We should shift it based on how well you take care of yourself. Then people control their own destiny when it comes to the cost of health insurance. This would be a forcing function for many and would drive down healthcare costs broadly over time as well.
As far as some of your examples… Minimum wage is intended for teenagers collecting movie tickets, not full time working adults. You can also stay on your parents insurance until you are 26. If you are >26 and making minimum wage, you need to do some serious self-reflection.
Mexican landscape laborers were making $18/hr here when I built my house in 2016. I talked to the contractor who installed our landscaping at length about it because he was frustrated that he couldn’t find workers. I can only assume that rate has increased significantly along with everything else the last 9 years. And there is no shortage of demand for those jobs. There is a shortage of people who want to work those jobs though, and would rather ***** and moan about minimum wage.
Commercial construction jobs like digging ditches (these are usually well compensated heavy machine operators) and paving roads are typically paid much more than your run of the mill Mexican landscaper. I have no clue how you are trying to tie minimum wage to this.
The people who serve me at my favorite restaurant aren’t dependent on minimum wage either. They earn tips, which are no longer taxed (which I disagree with). I tipped a nice waitress >$70 last night at Pelato in Charleston for about 1:45 of service. We were just one of her tables and only one of at least 3 seatings at that table. Do the math.
Even the bus boys and grunt jobs at the restaurant then go back to the high school kid type job. There aren’t 30-40 year old bus boys with families making minimum wage. Those kids should be on their parents health insurance.
More broadly, we should do more to lower healthcare costs in general. Healthier population, nutrition awareness, better regulated food supply, take junk off SNAP, address food deserts, etc etc. That should be the real focus of government. Not just taking money from one group and giving it to another. That solves nothing in the long run and doesn’t make the country better.
I doubt anybody has the facts that would make you happy. But from a circumstantial point of view, states and the feds have already come up with dollar figures for SNAP, medicare, welfare that illegal migrants are collecting. To your point I seriously doubt if anyone would give an accurate number within 10% of how much we are paying and, to me at least, that's part of the problem,
On disability, back in the COVID days, there was an inordinate number of approved disability cases for people just around retirement age. Coincidence or people gaming the system? I don't know, but when there is a gigantic anomaly it does raise doubts. Again, to your point, who could prove a case one way or another
lets not be too hard on people with ED.. We're all going to get thereI would be opposed to his cellmate having ED so it's a no on that Bill
"DeKalb Ga. Police Department has 835 funded positions and only 585 are currently filled, leaving a substantial gap. What incentive would anyone have to work for the local police when they can grab a mask and long guns and work for ICE for high wages and low ethics."
I’ll go with “some hospitals will no longer qualify for the 340b program due to smaller Medicaid populations, which will cut off their ability to make windfall profits off the drugs they can acquire at a discount but don’t have to reduce their resale price to the government for”
