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MC63

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What if the situation was completely reversed and Fenwick had been given an overtime "victory."

The phone lines across Illinois would have been ablaze Saturday night with public school coaches, ADs, principals and others screaming for a reversal by the IHSA.

On Sunday morning, I'm sure they would have gotten it.

I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward.

Oh, did I say, "Catholic"? I meant non-boundary.
 
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LakeCtyNewt said:
So you think that if public schools whined about being mistreated we would have had a formal reversal?

Has the board really gotten this f'ing stupid in the last week?
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No, newt, only your implications in some of your posts this week and this unintelligent post by 63 are the only examples of turning it into a public/private issue. Oh and LWeast dad or someone else mentioned it. Everyone else has been having good discussions.
 
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MC63 said:
What if the situation was completely reversed and Fenwick had been given an overtime "victory."

The phone lines across Illinois would have been ablaze Saturday night with public school coaches, ADs, principals and others screaming for a reversal by the IHSA.

On Sunday morning, I'm sure they would have gotten it.

I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward.

Oh, did I say, "Catholic"? I meant non-boundary.
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Wrong again, MC63.
 
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Not a chance MC. A public school district would never use funds to file that kind of lawsuit.
 
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I don't think the parents and boosters would heft the kind of money it would take. They'd much rather see it go to the betterment of the program than into some lawyers pocket.
 
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Maybe not the Lincoln Ways because they are piss broke, but other publics would have
 
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MC63 said:
What if the situation was completely reversed and Fenwick had been given an overtime "victory."

The phone lines across Illinois would have been ablaze Saturday night with public school coaches, ADs, principals and others screaming for a reversal by the IHSA.

On Sunday morning, I'm sure they would have gotten it.

I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward.

Oh, did I say, "Catholic"? I meant non-boundary.
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Just give me one shred of evidence that this is public vs private?
I just am appalled that at a 7A semi final game the ref's screwed the pooch.
I try to look at it objectively and can not see your point!
I was pissed when Okkie State got screwed by the same call!
It is more intense now because it was private vs public and private lost?
Please MC63 give me some evidence to your thinking!!
I would have same feelings if this was Johnsburg getting screwed by the same call when they played Phillips.
Otherwise buy some crackers for your wine.
 
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No way a public school files a lawsuit over this. Those who think otherwise do not understand how the world works. Not, can't, going to use tax payer money to file a lawsuit against the IHSA. I posted a couple of days ago that the Fenwick elite would try to take legal action, but is that really going out on a limb? AND they did! They specifically sent their sons to a private school for the chance to win a state title (and that catholic education). Of course they sue...would we expect anything otherwise from elites?
 
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Bourne4this said:
No way a public school files a lawsuit over this. Those who think otherwise do not understand how the world works. Not, can't, going to use tax payer money to file a lawsuit against the IHSA. I posted a couple of days ago that the Fenwick elite would try to take legal action, but is that really going out on a limb? AND they did! They specifically sent their sons to a private school for the chance to win a state title (and that catholic education). Of course they sue...would we expect anything otherwise from elites?
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The parents at public high school will be doing the same as Fenwick's parent are doing! You think only pheasant only go to public high schools??
 
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RichieRebel said:
The parents at public high school will be doing the same as Fenwick's parent are doing! You think only pheasant only go to public high schools??
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In about 1/2 of cases yes. P North is the rich boy school of the larger district.
 
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Is this the school that hired the lawyers to do this? Or is this being done by lawyers from outside the school who are doing this on their own on the schools behalf?
 
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Bourne4this said:
No way a public school files a lawsuit over this. Those who think otherwise do not understand how the world works. Not, can't, going to use tax payer money to file a lawsuit against the IHSA. I posted a couple of days ago that the Fenwick elite would try to take legal action, but is that really going out on a limb? AND they did! They specifically sent their sons to a private school for the chance to win a state title (and that catholic education). Of course they sue...would we expect anything otherwise from elites?
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This is beyond hilarious - implying that public schools are the model of discipline in getting the most out of taxpayer funds.

And this presumes all private school parents (I will presume you mean those that have aspiring high school football players) with the number one goal of achieving a state title. Based on that there are a lot of unhappy parents every year questioning the financial, academic, emotional and spiritual investment in their kids and chosen school.

Thanks for the laugh.
 
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According to MC63, Fenwick would have forfeited the game to Plainfield North so it would of been a non issue.
 
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Ukbka91,

To you and all the others out there talking about Lawyers getting paid and only a private school vs public school could do this blah blah blah. Stop! In every school if something like this would happen some Lawyer, either with a kid involved or one trying to stake his claim, would take this pro bono(for free).
It's an issue with the IHSA and selective enforcement of their Bylaws, not Public vs private. The losers in all of this insanity are the kids, the schools, and the fans while the overpaid IHSA administration fat cats sit back and hide. It's about time someone called them out!

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That recruiting money saved by not being in the Blue is coming in handy now.
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Ukbka91,

To you and all the others out there talking about Lawyers getting paid and only a private school vs public school could do this blah blah blah. Stop! In every school if something like this would happen some Lawyer, either with a kid involved or one trying to stake his claim, would take this pro bono(for free).
It's an issue with the IHSA and selective enforcement of their Bylaws, not Public vs private. The losers in all of this insanity are the kids, the schools, and the fans while the overpaid IHSA administration fat cats sit back and hide. It's about time someone called them out!

#NotMyStateAthleticAssociation
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ah is that what pro bono means??? all this time, I thought it meant lawyers liked u2.
thanks jwar, for clearing that up.

I am telling you as a parent, if this happened at our school.
we would burn the school down.hahaha
nah, we would be pissed, yell at the coaching staff, scream at the refs.
and then after the banquet, get ready for next year.
 
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go dogz said:
I am telling you as a parent, if this happened at our school.
we would burn the school down.hahaha
nah, we would be pissed, yell at the coaching staff, scream at the refs.
and then after the banquet, get ready for next year.
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So everyone at "your" school feels the same way as you and have chosen you as their representative to post about topics on an EdgyTim message board?

By the way, which school are you the chosen representative for?
 
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LWeastDad said:
Not a chance MC. A public school district would never use funds to file that kind of lawsuit.
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I didn't say lawsuit - I said, in effect, raise hely hell
LakeCtyNewt said:
So you think that if public schools whined about being mistreated we would have had a formal reversal?

Has the board really gotten this f'ing stupid in the last week?
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not whined -- screamed and threatened
 
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MC63

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RichieRebel said:
Just give me one shred of evidence that this is public vs private?
I just am appalled that at a 7A semi final game the ref's screwed the pooch.
I try to look at it objectively and can not see your point!
I was pissed when Okkie State got screwed by the same call!
It is more intense now because it was private vs public and private lost?
Please MC63 give me some evidence to your thinking!!
I would have same feelings if this was Johnsburg getting screwed by the same call when they played Phillips.
Otherwise buy some crackers for your wine.
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Richie - I posed a hypothetical situation . It might help if you actually read the post.
 
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I read your entire post MC63--your comment" I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward." That is not a hypothetical situation!
You are making this a public vs private issue!
 
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OK, I'll restate it just for you: "Does anyone doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played ...etc, etc."

I didn't make it a public/ private issue. The IHSA has a special, punitive rule for private schools ... it's their doing. (Please don't write in about recruiting over a wide area. We can point out that you have fully tax-payer supported programs, including coaches, admins, uniforms, equipment, stadium, et al. There's other goodies, too, such as feeder programs, chamber of commerce sponsorships, and others.).
 
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You 100% made it a Public/Private issue MC63 when you stated

"I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward."

Nice try though buddy.
 
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tincup1215 said:
You 100% made it a Public/Private issue MC63 when you stated

"I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward."

Nice try though buddy.
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As I've said, IHSA punitive policies towards Catholic schools made it so. I just pointed it out. If you spot an accident and call 911, you're not guilty of causing the accident, are you?
 
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tincup1215 said:
You 100% made it a Public/Private issue MC63 when you stated

"I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward."

Nice try though buddy.
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Tin Cup
Nice call out.

MC63 I am wondering if the reverse happened and Fenwick won after the Refs mistake. Do you believe all the private supporters would be here on Edgy calling for a reversal?
 
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My "team" is a public school. I guess you could call me a public school supporter. I don't support many of the rules the IHSA has imposed, but I do think that certain rules should be in place to protect the competitive balance of the classes throughout the various ranges.
Until I started to visit this message board, I always thought the "complainers" were strictly from the public side of the pub/priv debate - whether "justified" or not. Oh how wrong I was.
 
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I wonder if there is a way that all Public/Private debates can get flushed to one permanent thread. We could call it PrivatePubs

In the Private Pubs - the debate can rage on for an eternity on how the Privates have been subjected to unfair treatment and multipliers to make them uncompetitive and Serfdom to the Public School ruling elite and the Publics can rage on about how the Privates can recruit, have their special rules and Prep bowls and boosters paying for any kid they want with no tax write off and recruit from any zip code in the state.

No matter what thread I stumble into - it seems to turn into a Private-Pub. Don't get me wrong - I like to imbibe at the PrivatePub now and again - Just not every night.

I will say this (which might be an interesting thread when things calm down) - I could see a large portion of schools eventually pulling out of the IHSA and forming their own governing body if there aren't significant changes/over haul in the existing governing body.in some sort of reasonable timeframe.
 
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MC63 said:
As I've said, IHSA punitive policies towards Catholic schools made it so. I just pointed it out. If you spot an accident and call 911, you're not guilty of causing the accident, are you?
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As you've also stated... actually in your words I'll restate for you, "OK, I'll restate it just for you: "Does anyone doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played ...etc, etc."
I didn't make it a public/ private issue. The IHSA has a special, punitive rule for private schools ... it's their doing. (Please don't write in about recruiting over a wide area. We can point out that you have fully tax-payer supported programs, including coaches, admins, uniforms, equipment, stadium, et al. There's other goodies, too, such as feeder programs, chamber of commerce sponsorships, and others.).


With all due respect, you are full of crap. In the words or Ricky Bobby, "Don't get mad, I said with all due respect".
 
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corey90 said:
Tin Cup
Nice call out.

MC63 I am wondering if the reverse happened and Fenwick won after the Refs mistake. Do you believe all the private supporters would be here on Edgy calling for a reversal?
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Absolutely - without a question. If this happened where my school got a playoff victory it didn't deserve, I would demand the school forfeit the win (as would a huge majority of my fellow alums). If they didn't, they'd never get another cent from me.

I'd like the other Mt Carmel guys to weigh in, here, if you're still reading this thread.
 
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tincup1215 said:
As you've also stated... actually in your words I'll restate for you, "OK, I'll restate it just for you: "Does anyone doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played ...etc, etc."
I didn't make it a public/ private issue. The IHSA has a special, punitive rule for private schools ... it's their doing. (Please don't write in about recruiting over a wide area. We can point out that you have fully tax-payer supported programs, including coaches, admins, uniforms, equipment, stadium, et al. There's other goodies, too, such as feeder programs, chamber of commerce sponsorships, and others.).

With all due respect, you are full of crap. In the words or Ricky Bobby, "Don't get mad, I said with all due respect".
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OK - what did I say that you disagree with? Please be specific. Thanks..
 
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I thought I have been pretty specific quoting you word for word, but just to refresh your memory, and to be specific, I'll just requote everything you've said. Again, in Ricky Bobby's voice "with all due respect, you're full of crap"

"I didn't make it a public/ private issue"

"I have no doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played a huge part in the IHSA decision not to move forward.

Oh, did I say, "Catholic"? I meant non-boundary."

I can keep quoting, but if you don't get it after those 2, there is no hope for you.
 
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tincup1215 said:
As you've also stated... actually in your words I'll restate for you, "OK, I'll restate it just for you: "Does anyone doubt that Fenwick being a Catholic school played ...etc, etc."
I didn't make it a public/ private issue. The IHSA has a special, punitive rule for private schools ... it's their doing. (Please don't write in about recruiting over a wide area. We can point out that you have fully tax-payer supported programs, including coaches, admins, uniforms, equipment, stadium, et al. There's other goodies, too, such as feeder programs, chamber of commerce sponsorships, and others.).


With all due respect, you are full of crap. In the words or Ricky Bobby, "Don't get mad, I said with all due respect".
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Exactly what is cr*p about his statement regarding "a special, punitive rule for private schools".?
 
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