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bbqbully

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What if we win the Super and get to Omaha? Does Henderson get serious consideration for the permanent job? What if we were to win the damn thing and bring home a NC? I’m convinced that this team has the grit and determination to do it.
 

tatedog

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Shamoan

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If henderson wants the job, he needs to win the national championship. that is my standard, but im a nobody with no sway. this is a premier job and we need a premier coach...period. we are going to look awfully dumb if we hire him with talent that other coaches brought in and he underwhelms 4 years in a row. we have a brand new stadium and we need to strike while the iron is hot and let the momentum snowball our way to a national title or two. i would be majorly disappointed if we settled for henderson unless he can somehow prove he is worth it, which, in my mind, would mean winning a nc.
 

ronpolk

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I don’t dislike Henderson as much as some do on this board but he’s just not the right person for this job moving forward. I’ll always be appreciative of what he’s done this year. Even with a national title, I’d want someone else. I would imagine that Henderson and Cohen have already discussed he’s not getting the job. Henderson may not even want a HC job.
 

patdog

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Henderson wants a head coaching job and he'd take ours in a heartbeat if it were offered. I suspect he's already been told he's not a candidate, but depending on how far he advances, it could put Cohen in a very tricky situation. I'd like to see a coach announced this week to put an end to speculation. But if we don't announce this weekend and beat Vandy, it's going to get that much harder to justify not keeping Henderson.
 

Go Budaw

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What if we win the Super and get to Omaha? Does Henderson get serious consideration for the permanent job? What if we were to win the damn thing and bring home a NC? I’m convinced that this team has the grit and determination to do it.

If we win a NC, yeah you have to at least offer him the job. Otherwise, we can make our own move. Even just getting to Omaha isn’t an automatic qualifier. Polk II’s 2017 team played their way there right before the program completely fell off the cliff for 3 years. Fortunately, we didn’t have any major coaching decisions riding on the outcome of that year.

Personally, I like Henderson. I think he’s legitimately a top half of the SEC coach (which means he’s probably a Top 20-25 HC nationally), and I think he’s proven along with Mingione’s total tank job this year that UK might have made a mistake in firing him. However, we don’t need a top half of the SEC coach. We need a Top 2-3 SEC coach (Top 10 nationally), and after the consistent turnover we’ve had over the past 17 years or so we need a long term guy that is gonna be here 15+ years. Henderson is probably looking at a 5 year horizon before retirement....he just ain’t the guy for the long haul that we need.
 

jb1020

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A few more wins

and he'll fit nicely into Cohens criteria he set forth a few weeks ago.
 

maroonmadman

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IF Henderson wins a NC and we don't at least offer him the HC job, or give him due consideration, we will be opening ourselves up to a karma-esq style butt 17ing of cosmic proportions the likes of which would make even the dead injuns cringe.****
 

tatedog

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It would be the most Mississippi State thing ever to finally win the CWS and get a head coach Kentucky didn't want as a result. Top 5 at least.
 

Junction John

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Please throw us in that briar patch and let's find out. I bet IB would relish having to make that tough decision.
 

blacklistedbully

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Too many inexcusable bone-headed decisions a top-notch HC would not make. I suspect CGH helped create an environment that helped this group relax, find itself and take enough ownership to come together and have more success than could have been expected, given the early season cluster17. But I think our kids were able to overcome a number of his mistakes through sheer grit and determination.

No way I see Henderson being the guy beyond this year. Not even if we won the whole thing in a clean sweep. I would consider it a wonderful, incredible anomaly. It would be, IMO at least in part, in spite of his coaching, not because of it. My sense is his contribution this year was in staying low-key, keeping the pressure off, and letting the players run with it....something he could do with the lack of expectation we had on him and the team this season.

That will not be the case going forward. His "formula" won't work going forward. We will not be consistently successful having to overcome his in-game coaching blunders.
 

Dawg1976

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A lot of what you described is what was said when Cohen was our coach.
 

MSUDawgFan86

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What if we win the Super and get to Omaha? Does Henderson get serious consideration for the permanent job? What if we were to win the damn thing and bring home a NC? I’m convinced that this team has the grit and determination to do it.

I’m not Cohen. This is just my opinion but even if he wins the whole damn thing I wouldn’t consider him. Even if all of the head coaches told me know, I’d take another shot at another hot shot assistant like Canni before Henderson. He’s not capable of maintaining the kind of success I want IMO. I would give him a fat bonus check, thank him, and send him on his way.
 

blacklistedbully

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Not by me, and not something I recall hearing. I recall some people complaining about him bunting too much and too soon (which I agree he did), but that was traditional baseball wisdom in most cases.

CGH has done some stuff that has defied logic as much as Dastardly Dan did running Perkins up the middle for no gain back-to-back-to-back, etc.

This year it feels like we've won enough to advance because the kids just keep battling, and because our hitting has improved. At best, we can perhaps credit CGH with providing the kind of environment needed this year to allow it to work under these weird circumstances. Don't think it's ever going to be like this again. And we simply cannot count on our kids to consistently continue to overcome the mistakes.
 
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blacklistedbully

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There is nothing...I repeat nothing in CGH's track record that suggests he is capable of being an elite coach. This season is the best he has ever had...first SR ever, and it took an incredibly gritty performance by our kids to just make the SEC Tourney, much less earn a regional invite.

I give the vast majority of the credit to the kids (especially Jake Mangum, who I think has provided at least as much critical leadership as CGH...probably a lot more, and to Coach Gautreau.

Does anyone really think CGH is an elite coach based on his performance this year? Because if you look at his entire career as an HC, it doesn't look any prettier.
 

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It would be the most Mississippi State thing ever to finally win the CWS and get a head coach Kentucky didn't want as a result. Top 5 at least.
If we win the national championship, and this is what you are bitching about, then it'd probably be best to go on and off yourself
 
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