What is Everyone's Predicted Outcome?

LakeCtyNewt

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I love how this is somehow being spun by South Side Catolick guy that this is Plainfield Norths fault.

So say Fenwick wins the suit and gets to play Saturday.

Say ESL wins the game - is the South Side guy narrative going to be it's the IHSA and Plainfields fault because Fenwick didn't have time to prepare?

Stop making this Plainfields fault.
 
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rexdog

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prediction: the judge does not interject her (female judge?) overrule of the results of the game, regardless of the bad call.....PFN plays
 
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Doppelganger!

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I'm not a big fan of the IHSA either and I agree that they have handled things poorly, but just playing devil's advocate, would ANY association overturn the results of a game, ever? Especially when a whole overtime session was played out after the fact? I remember Justin Verlander was one out from a perfect game a few years ago and the ump wrongly called a guy safe at first in the 9th with 2 outs. The ump and the MLB admitted wrongdoing but would not overturn the call. Verlander handled it with dignity and class.

The Tigers pitcher in this game was NOT Justin Verlander, it was Armando Galarraga. The criminal umpire was Jim Joyce.
 
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NNFAN

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We will see what the court say since there is no honor at PN. I guess suburban privilege is alive and well. Everyone gets a trophy if you deseve it or not. And if you happen to win the title game it will forever be considered undeserving. There is no honor in that.
Southside, some of your comments are really over the top. Bad calls happen all of the time, unfortunately. "No honor at PN" ... "Suburban privilege"... give me a break, you are better than that.
 

Voodoo Tatum 21

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Think PFN ends up playing on Saturday.

ESL beats them by 21 points without ever attempting a kicking extra point.

Then... PFN joins the DVC with the Oswego's since there are too many skinny jeans at DaBrook according to @crossbones.

A long and happy life in the DVC awaits you PFN!! you need a change from all this craziness, what better way to start anew than with a brand new conference home!!

EDIT - PPS I think this disaster becomes the lightening rod for an overhaul of the IHSA, quite possibly an eventual new governing body for HS Sports. Wont happen overnight - might take a few years for change to come - but it will happen. If it does not - I predict a large portion of schools to opt out of voluntarily submitting to IHSA governing body to go create their own "governing body" if no change or overhaul is on the horizon.
 
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emdee91

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After personally seeing and the team I follow playing two of the teams this year, sorry but I really don't think it matters which plays ESL.

Warfield ran all over Fenwick. He had what 17 vs ESL?

I don't see either team even making a game of it.
 

SOUTHSIDECFD

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Southside, some of your comments are really over the top. Bad calls happen all of the time, unfortunately. "No honor at PN" ... "Suburban privilege"... give me a break, you are better than that.

No I'm not.

If they can't figure when I'm busting someone's chops I got the London Bridge for sale in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.

But I was serious about the comfort dogs!
 

SOUTHSIDECFD

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When this is all done IHSA again handles this poorly.
There were IHSA officials at the game in case you did not know that. The could have intervened on scene. But they are too worried of some guy has a tailgate party at his son's last football game or god forbid one of you religious people prayed at the game.

And what is Marty Hickman's total compensation package?

Maybe a coaches association needs to take over like in hockey. Never let the IHSA take over Lacrosse either.
 

jwarigaku

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BWM,

You are correct, he should be questioning Craig Anderson's package but those Form 990s have not been released yet. That said the form filed January of 2016 is for 2014 while Marty Hickman was still on the payroll in retirement with compensation was $581,534 plus $11,421 in other comp. He averaged around $300k over the prior 4-5 years and salted away a ton of deferred income for retirement. All this income while managing a paltry $11MM/year organization, this makes me want to PUKE! Tell me this isn't a politicians package??!!!

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99...990.pdf?_ga=1.225944154.1380832499.1479773598

#NotMyStateAthleticAssociation


Marty Hickman isn't the Executive Director anymore.
 

Bwm57

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BWM,

You are correct, he should be questioning Craig Anderson's package but those Form 990s have not been released yet. That said the form filed January of 2016 is for 2014 while Marty Hickman was still on the payroll in retirement with compensation was $581,534 plus $11,421 in other comp. He averaged around $300k over the prior 4-5 years and salted away a ton of deferred income for retirement. All this income while managing a paltry $11MM/year organization, this makes me want to PUKE! Tell me this isn't a politicians package??!!!

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99...990.pdf?_ga=1.225944154.1380832499.1479773598

#NotMyStateAthleticAssociation
The January 990 tax filing reflects about $107K in current salary and about $473K in deferred compensation payment from his 457f(f) deterred compensation plan.
The 457 money would have accrued over a number of years during his prior service.
I believe the 457f plan was started sometime following the freezing of their Defined Benefit pension plan around 2008 as an alternative to that retirement plan.
You are correct that the payout to him shown on the 2016 990 form was substantial but it was not all compensation that accrued during that tax year.
 

jwarigaku

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BWM,

Perhaps we should look at a few other years. This excercize will not end well for your argument if your trying to say his compensation package is inline with business size and job requirements.

The January 990 tax filing reflects about $107K in current salary and about $473K in deferred compensation payment from his 457f(f) deterred compensation plan.
The 457 money would have accrued over a number of years during his prior service.
I believe the 457f plan was started sometime following the freezing of their Defined Benefit pension plan around 2008 as an alternative to that retirement plan.
You are correct that the payout to him shown on the 2016 990 form was substantial but it was not all compensation that accrued during that tax year.
 

Bwm57

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BWM,

Perhaps we should look at a few other years. This excercize will not end well for your argument if your trying to say his compensation package is inline with business size and job requirements.
Jwar,
Stop trying to put words in my mouth regarding his compensation relative to business size.
I simply stated that much of the compensation that year was 457(f) deferred compensation from previous years.
I have looked at previous years too, never did I say he wasn't well compensated.
 

GMAN81

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Honestly, I wouldn't bet money either way on the ruling. Just when you think something looks certain it might not be.
 

MWittman

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I am going to say no 7A game.

Dean:

This is a prescient question, but it is every bit as important to hypothesize on what will occur after the litigation concludes. I suspect Fenwick's case will draw to a close with a loss and the 7A game will proceed with ESL and PN facing one another.

It is, however, entirely possible the court case could result in a Fenwick victory and a scenario we must consider is the IHSA re-acting with fury and in throwing this child-like tantrum, cancelling the 7A game.

What occurs after this horror show is mercifully brought to a conclusion is equally important. Instead of the IHSA, an organization I will refer to as the Temple of Denial henceforth, using this as a "teachable" moment for member schools, will the IHSA use it as a "teachable" moment for itself and modify its Byzantine code to prevent such an event for occurring again? Doubtful. In fact it is highly doubtful.

It is unlikely the leadership in the Temple will do any such thing for the reason altering rules in the wake of this mess, a mess they created, would be an implicit admission they were in the wrong and not fully prepared to address any unknown state of affair which could cause mayhem in the course of an athletic event.

As I stated before, the solitary reason utter disorder surrounds the 7A title game is because the short-sighted leadership in the Temple has refused to make the needed accommodations to meet unforeseen events. By simply modifying existing code to include a device where Temple officials could review and issue a ruling, perhaps even overturning the results of a contest, the Temple could prevent bedlam from occurring and likely improve on its abyssal public image. One could only imagine how a share of opprobrium hurled at the Temple would evaporate if it would offer simple modifications to existing code.

Will this occur? Not on your life. The band of officious bureaucrats in the Temple have no intention of changing anything. In their myopic world, it is easier to either ignore pleas or reply to appeals for cooperation with a one-sentence, middle-finger-in-the-face response.

For those who choose to transform this sordid tale into another tragic chapter in the grim chronicle of the Catholic vs. public war, there is little basis for it, but it could be used more effectively as a truncheon to bludgeon the Temple as a completely out-of-touch institution with no devotion to fair competition.

If the Temple of Denial has an image problem, it only need to look in the mirror to find the source.
 

godfthr53

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Can the court rule in favor of Fenwick and IHSA still have PN play it is their state championship after all.