What is up with Arkansas basketball lately?
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His first season he inherited a fairly talented UPIG team and they didn't do ****.
I still don't see why Arkansas hired him, they are one of the top jobs in the SEC, at least they should be with their facilities and fan support. Im not saying they are UK, but they are a top 15 program, and their facilities are Top 10 in the country. The last few years, they have been a mediocre SEC team. It shouldn't happen.
I still don't see why Arkansas hired him, they are one of the top jobs in the SEC, at least they should be with their facilities and fan support. Im not saying they are UK, but they are a top 15 program, and their facilities are Top 10 in the country. The last few years, they have been a mediocre SEC team. It shouldn't happen.
Miles is 1-2 against Saban, and if you were using a 5K run as an analogy, Miles had a 3K head start against Saban when Saban was hired, and now not only has Saban passed him, but the margin is widening.
Great call going for 2 points there, Jim Haslett would be proud.
Im assuming he is ready to admit that Saban is a better coach. It shouldn't be close at this point. The talent difference at LSU/AL in 2006 when Saban was hired at Bama was ridiculous. Now three years, Saban has a winning record over LSU, including a win at Baton Rouge.
Great call going for 2 points there, Jim Haslett would be proud.
Im assuming he is ready to admit that Saban is a better coach. It shouldn't be close at this point. The talent difference at LSU/AL in 2006 when Saban was hired at Bama was ridiculous. Now three years, Saban has a winning record over LSU, including a win at Baton Rouge.
But I thought Pelphrey would do a lot better then he has. I saw his South Alabama teams play a few times and thought he did a good job with that program. He built them up after a few terrible years. They always gave MSU a hard time when we played them and they never had the same type talent.
Personally, I think it has to do with the University more then anything. Something in the water...
Personally, I think it has to do with the University more then anything. Something in the water...
OMlawdog said:
Saban has taken the lead for now, no doubt...Miles was killed by losing Perilloux, and only he can be blamed for his ****** defensive hire last season. But he has righted the ship, and hired a very good DC. Next season will be LSU's to win the West, and if they dont, then you can *****. But getting on Miles for winning 10 games this season like he is going to do is ridiculous.
Also, it speaks volumes that Saban got the schedule switched when he got hired to have the week off before the LSU game every year. That tells you what he thinks of Miles.
Talent difference was ridiculous? John Parker Wilson, Andre Smith, Kenneth Darby, Antoine Caldwell, Glenn Coffee, Wallace Gillberry, and Rashad Johnson who are in the NFL now disagree...not to mention the 4 or 5 other NFL guys that graduated right before Saban got there. Demeco Ryans ring a bell? Shula didnt have a talent problem, he just sucked as a coach. Saying Bammer didnt have talent has pretty much shown you to be the idiot you are. Saban has ridden the coattails of Mike Shula talent
I started a thread about Pelphrey, OMlaw starts into a rant about Saban and Miles with no mention of Pelphrey, and Coach jumps in talking about Saban and Miles with still no mention of Pelphrey. Is this not why we have titles to threads? I think I will start a thread entitled "Why Ole Miss sucks" and then proceed to talk about Hungarian cabinet making.
Alcorn St...i mean come on....and I didnt say "running bleachers" was the way to go...I dont prefer suspensions, I like to make people suffer (nothing like getting them up at 5am for some good ol punishment)- but sometimes they are necessary- the chick did cry rape afterall, and even though she was full of **** according to the DA, from a public perception, a small suspension is warranted...Perception trumps reality more times than not
I crawled Stansbury's *** for taking away Kodi's playing time for no reason. It wasnt like Kodi raped a cheerleader or robbed a liquor store..Stansbury put one of his best players on the bench to go to a smaller line-up...it helped short-term, but as we saw, in the long run- Augustus needs to be on the floor for us...
I crawled Stansbury's *** for taking away Kodi's playing time for no reason. It wasnt like Kodi raped a cheerleader or robbed a liquor store..Stansbury put one of his best players on the bench to go to a smaller line-up...it helped short-term, but as we saw, in the long run- Augustus needs to be on the floor for us...
I disagree with you Coach. Stansbury never benched Kodi because he wanted to go to a small lineup. Stansbury had his reasons and most of them were disciplinary and not because he suddenly wanted us to shoot 30 threes a game. History shows that is not Stansbury's style to go small unless absolutely necessary.
the mounting list of coaches that are "better than Stansbury" that are now unemployed, coaching a glorified D-II program, or in hot water.
That's not EXACTLY true now, is it? At least on the Heath part, that's a faulty cause-effect statement. The statement about Brady is accurate, but not the whole story.
Heath was fired because in his fifth year, on a team loaded with seniors, he finished third in the west and slipped into the NCAAs in large part because his team made it to the finals of the SEC Tournament, where it should be noted they lost to the #6 seed from the East in a game everyone thought they would win. They then laid a huge egg against USC in the tournament. Heath was largely hated by the UA fanbase for his passive, emotionless demeanor on the bench, and the failure to win anything of note made that worse. So five years, two first round exits from the NCAAs, and never higher than second in the West.
Brady was fired, in my estimation, for the lack of consistency. He was there almost 11 years. In those 11 years he had three winning records in SEC play....three. To his credit he took one of those teams to the Final Four and another one to the Sweet 16. But he made only two other NCAA trips, and after Thomas and Big Baby left following the Final Four, LSU fell off the map again. The LSU faithful had seen that before. After he had Stromile Swift and Whatshisname Smith and they made it to the Sweet 16, it took them six years to advance past the first round again, and I guess people didn't want to wait for his next good team.
Heath was fired because in his fifth year, on a team loaded with seniors, he finished third in the west and slipped into the NCAAs in large part because his team made it to the finals of the SEC Tournament, where it should be noted they lost to the #6 seed from the East in a game everyone thought they would win. They then laid a huge egg against USC in the tournament. Heath was largely hated by the UA fanbase for his passive, emotionless demeanor on the bench, and the failure to win anything of note made that worse. So five years, two first round exits from the NCAAs, and never higher than second in the West.
Brady was fired, in my estimation, for the lack of consistency. He was there almost 11 years. In those 11 years he had three winning records in SEC play....three. To his credit he took one of those teams to the Final Four and another one to the Sweet 16. But he made only two other NCAA trips, and after Thomas and Big Baby left following the Final Four, LSU fell off the map again. The LSU faithful had seen that before. After he had Stromile Swift and Whatshisname Smith and they made it to the Sweet 16, it took them six years to advance past the first round again, and I guess people didn't want to wait for his next good team.
I used to think you were just a troll Coach but damn I guess you are actually serious. THere is not much left to say that has not been said. You know Heath was fired for having crappy teams at Arkansas for the most part. Gottfried was fired for finishing near the bottom of the SEC. Brady was fired for finishing near the bottom of the SEC. The same will happen to Pelphrey. One good year in the NCAAs does not make a coach a genius.
Heath was fired in a year in which he made the NCAA Tourney- correct? Do you think we would ever fire Stansbury if he did that? You're lying if you say yes
Brady was definitely inconsistent...and was fired in a year in which his team had a ton of injuries. Johnson won the SEC with Brady's guys- and they stayed healthy. Do you think we would ever fire Stansbury just two years after making it to a FF? aGAIN, you are kidding yourself if you say yes.
Plain and simple- those schools hold their coaches to a higher standard than we do
Brady was definitely inconsistent...and was fired in a year in which his team had a ton of injuries. Johnson won the SEC with Brady's guys- and they stayed healthy. Do you think we would ever fire Stansbury just two years after making it to a FF? aGAIN, you are kidding yourself if you say yes.
Plain and simple- those schools hold their coaches to a higher standard than we do
Meanwhile, although the tournament success hasn't happened yet, we are a consistent winner, even when stars leave, we still win.
When we do finally get that elusive Sweet 16, will Coach shut up and admit he was wrong, or will he start bitching about Elite 8's? I'm sure we all know the answer to that. He just has a hard-on for pissing on - by far - the most successful coach at State since the bygone days of Ron Polk I.
When we do finally get that elusive Sweet 16, will Coach shut up and admit he was wrong, or will he start bitching about Elite 8's? I'm sure we all know the answer to that. He just has a hard-on for pissing on - by far - the most successful coach at State since the bygone days of Ron Polk I.
Heath was fired for only having a winning record in conference 1 out of his 5 seasons...When Stansbury strings together 5 years comparable to Heath's 5 at arkansas, I'll join you in calling for his job.
2002-2003 Arkansas 9-19 4-12 T-5rd (West)
2003-2004 Arkansas 12-16 4-12 6th (West)
2004-2005 Arkansas 18-12 6-10 4th (West)
2005-2006 Arkansas 22-10 10-6 T-2nd (West) NCAA FirstRound
2006-2007 Arkansas 21-14 7-9 T-3rd (West) NCAA First Round
Arkansas: 82-71 31-49
South Florida (Big East Conference) (2007-present)
2007-2008 South Florida 12-19 3-15 T-15th
2008-2009 South Florida 9-22 4-14 14th
South Florida: 21-41 7-29
Total: 133-108
2002-2003 Arkansas 9-19 4-12 T-5rd (West)
2003-2004 Arkansas 12-16 4-12 6th (West)
2004-2005 Arkansas 18-12 6-10 4th (West)
2005-2006 Arkansas 22-10 10-6 T-2nd (West) NCAA FirstRound
2006-2007 Arkansas 21-14 7-9 T-3rd (West) NCAA First Round
Arkansas: 82-71 31-49
South Florida (Big East Conference) (2007-present)
2007-2008 South Florida 12-19 3-15 T-15th
2008-2009 South Florida 9-22 4-14 14th
South Florida: 21-41 7-29
Total: 133-108
Arkansas has such high standards that they won't fire a coach until he has 4 losing SEC records in 5 years. Stansbury would be fired for 4 straight years of losing SEC records. I don't think anyone on this board would disagree with that. Also, all of those retards had losing records versus Stansbury........End of Story (your words).Coach34 said:
First you say Heath was fired FOR losing early in the tournament. Then you say he was fired IN A YEAR IN WHICH he made the tournament.
Big difference.
Heath was fired because he was getting blown out in SEC games and the program was headed in the tank.... NCAA appearance be damned.
Big difference.
Heath was fired because he was getting blown out in SEC games and the program was headed in the tank.... NCAA appearance be damned.
Also had to do with attendance and School Image. I think I caught him crying a few times on the sidelines during his lat year and a half.
I live in UPig country and I have serious doubts about Pelphry being around next year. There were about 2000 folks at the first exhibition game. In a gym that holds nearly 20,000, it looked really empty. I also know at least one major advertising sponsor that, as a result of the rape/suspensions, has told the university to pull all his advertising and cash flow that goes with it from the basketball program. Lack of $ coming in will make a coach disappear.
benching kodi early in the season was the wrong decision. the lineup stans used early in the year made us the better team and gave us a greater chance to win.
I disagree. LT would never do it, but LT ain't around any more.Coach34 said:
If Bury found himself in Heath's position......three non NCAA years with the fourth year being a first round upset loss to Bucknell.....and he brought back six seniors and a talented underclassman or two, and we failed to crack .500 in the SEC and got blown out in the first round of the NCAAs....I have to think a lot of people would not be happy. What would matter is who those people were. I also think Bury has bought himself an additional year beyond a situation such as this. True, the Sweet 16 has avoided him (or vice versa) and his out of conference scheduling leaves something to be desired to most astute basketball observers, but all in all he has done a good job and I would not be an advocate of firing him under those circumstances.
Arkansas....I thought they cut bait a little quick with Heath, but he hasn't actually lit it up at USF. Ol Blue says a lot of things I don't agree with, but he is constantly harping on Darren Horn turning a halfcourt shot into a job at South Carolina. That's stretching it a little as well, but Heath turned one season as a head coach and three wins as a 10 seed into one of the top head coaching jobs in the country. Schools make that mistake all the time trying to catch the next big name on his way up.
Since you believe LSU and Arkansas hold their basketball coaches to a higher standard than we do, do you think they would have fired Stansbury by now since he hasn't advanced past the second round? Or is multiple division titles, 6 out of 8 tournament appearances, 2 tournament titles, and 1 overall title good enough at those schools to keep a coach with that pedigree around? </p>