What standards should an AD
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All I know that our "AD of the year" would be fired at every other SEC school.
This man hired Joker, Billy G and Stoops as head coaches. That's all the answer we need
Nice guy that Barnhart fellow....
Jurich is the most interesting AD in Kentucky.... Barney not in the same league...figuratively speaking.
If Louisville can have a successful football program and b-ball.... Why not Kentucky?
Ya'll can love Barnhart all you want but if Stoops doesn't work out he's a lame duck AD...
Jurich is the most interesting AD in Kentucky.... Barney not in the same league...figuratively speaking.
If Louisville can have a successful football program and b-ball.... Why not Kentucky?
Ya'll can love Barnhart all you want but if Stoops doesn't work out he's a lame duck AD...
If our basketball team had to sit out the NCAA tournament due to a hooker scandal you guys would go friggin nuts so lets drop the Jurich crap.
And UK is unlike the other SEC schools. Like it our not basketball drives the bus at UK.
Certainly disagree with this - as long as Cal is at UK, Barnhart is safe.
Football is ranked 13th and Pitino is putting together one of his best recruiting classes in decades. Louisville baseball was within a whisker of going to back to back CWS and UofL WBB is always very highly ranked. Yep, real shambles over there...
While basketball is our top sport, it isn't our number one money maker. Football is. And Mitch didn't go out and ask cal to be our coach, others did. He got the one and only billy g
The basketball team couldn't even play in the tournament last year and there may be a great chance they don't play this year either. They don't even know who the board of directors are to make decisions within the school. Would you want your son to go play basketball or football at U of L? I would love to hear the answers when a parent asks them "1. What's up with the President of the University? 2. What's up with you having a coach pay for strippers in the dorm room? 3. What is up with the Board of Directors at the school? 4. Why did you leave the Atlanta Falcons in the middle of year and put post it notes on their lockers? 5. Why have you left every school you have been after just a few years? 6. In what direction is this school headed? 7. What impact will the NCAA investigation have? Oh, wait a minute, you are #14 in the country, so that makes all these other questions mute.
Tom Jurich has been a tremendous success on just about every front. From a facilities standpoint, he's been unbelievable. On the field/court, U of L has been very good. They have multiple Final Four appearances in men's and women's basketball. They've overachieved on the football field, IMO. Their baseball program has made multiple College World Series appearances. The only real negatives are the off-field issues. Fortunately for Jurich, U of L fans could care less. Even better, those controversies tend to die off. Petrino and his unethical behavior at Arkansas? Pitino and his unethical behavior at U of L? Nationally, those stories spend some time in the headlines then fade.
Mitch Barnhart has had success as well, but not nearly as much. With football, he has a tough road to travel. The SEC combined with UK's gridiron history = tough to get the program going. Unfortunately, horrid decision making has made a VERY tough job even tougher. Joker Phillips? Mark Stoops? Why hire guys with ZERO head coaching experience to work possibly the toughest job in the league? At a time when college baseball has begun to flourish, UK's program remains in neutral. They won a league title about 10 years ago. That's it. Not even one super regional appearance. UK basketball has one national title in his 15 years at UK. The Calipari hire was A+. The Billy G hire was a woeful F (LOL). Minor sports are WAY better (for those that care). Facilities have been upgraded, but not nearly as much so as U of L. Women's basketball seems to be in chaos right now. No FF's either.
If not for the Calipari hire and Brooks recruiting himself to the head coaching position, my goodness, Barnhart's tenure might be a total train wreck.
GBB!!!
Mitch Barnhart has had success as well, but not nearly as much. With football, he has a tough road to travel. The SEC combined with UK's gridiron history = tough to get the program going. Unfortunately, horrid decision making has made a VERY tough job even tougher. Joker Phillips? Mark Stoops? Why hire guys with ZERO head coaching experience to work possibly the toughest job in the league? At a time when college baseball has begun to flourish, UK's program remains in neutral. They won a league title about 10 years ago. That's it. Not even one super regional appearance. UK basketball has one national title in his 15 years at UK. The Calipari hire was A+. The Billy G hire was a woeful F (LOL). Minor sports are WAY better (for those that care). Facilities have been upgraded, but not nearly as much so as U of L. Women's basketball seems to be in chaos right now. No FF's either.
If not for the Calipari hire and Brooks recruiting himself to the head coaching position, my goodness, Barnhart's tenure might be a total train wreck.
GBB!!!
Honest question. If you could trade places with U of L athletics and put their AD and coaches in Lexington and then put ours in Louisville, would you do it?
No way. I think it would say a lot of about how many people could care less how we did it as long as we won.
No way. I think it would say a lot of about how many people could care less how we did it as long as we won.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
This whole off the field/morals stuff is like arguing politics or religion. People just have entirely different perspectives on it that it's like watching two people arguing who speak different languages.
Louisville has been embarrassed by a continuing string of scandals that is too long to list. Everything, sex on tabletops, hookers in dorms, being called a "rogue athletics department" by national voices, taking transfers that, literally, no one else would touch - and all that just in athletics.
So, some people see that list and go "holy cow, how embarrassing, I'd rather lose than win that way, and if the guy in charge of all of that meets your definition of a "successful AD", well, I think it's crazy and your win at any cost mentality is unacceptable."
And someone else says "this isn't church. And don't be naïve, the very nature of this game - high level college athletics - makes it dirty. You either play to win, or you ought to get out. As far as embarrassment to the school, you need to figure out what UofL knows well: you get some bad headlines for a couple of days, and then everyone forgets."
I just have to wonder - isn't there some place in the middle? Isn't there a place where you don't have to be a deacon, but you can't be a complete louse either?
I would hire him as I think he does a reasonable job. Hiring coaches is the toughest job of any AD. There is a reason the coaching carousel spins so rapidly every year. Outside a handful of known commodities - Saban, Meyer, Patterson, etc. - its a crap shoot.
And even if you find the right fit, one bad season can put them on the hot seat in today's environment.
Jurich has had some misses - like Kragthorpe. Pitino was a can't miss. To me, his most impressive hire is McDonnell. That guy has won 456 games in 10 years.
Well Mojo, for Cats fans that said they'd rather lose than have Bobby Petrino at Kentucky, they've gotten and will likely continue to get their wish.
I have no idea how morales should be evaluated when hiring coaches or taking transfers. In general though, I avoid judging others on a morale basis.
People talk about how U of L has been embarrassed. I'm one of them. What does that mean though? Honestly, it doesn't mean much. It means they get some bad press then everyone forgets and moves on.
A lot of people on this board gave me hell when I wanted Petrino to replace Joker. It isn't often that UK football has that kind of good fortune fall right into their lap. Well, they pissed the opportunity away. And of course, our only true rival benefited.
GBB!!!
I have no idea how morales should be evaluated when hiring coaches or taking transfers. In general though, I avoid judging others on a morale basis.
People talk about how U of L has been embarrassed. I'm one of them. What does that mean though? Honestly, it doesn't mean much. It means they get some bad press then everyone forgets and moves on.
A lot of people on this board gave me hell when I wanted Petrino to replace Joker. It isn't often that UK football has that kind of good fortune fall right into their lap. Well, they pissed the opportunity away. And of course, our only true rival benefited.
GBB!!!
If you're happy with Barnhart... fine by me. Go spend money on what he's selling.
I'm not impressed and I'm not spending my money.....
That's both our prerogatives ....
There wasn't just one, but two issues with Petrino. First, the one everyone talks about, his baggage, his character. And that either matters to you or it doesn't. Until blue in the face, doesn't matter, never to be settled. But the other is his known disdain for UK and his history with UofL. I think he'd only have taken the UK job because there was nothing else out there. Put plainly, if he had taken the UK job, I wouldn't have been surprised at all if he'd left us as soon as something else opened, maybe even UofL. That would've been the low point of all low points....
@Mojocat is absolutely right.
Petrino would definitely have left after success here.
I will say that I would have at least enjoyed that success while it lasted
AND
I would bet that replacing a coach who had success would leave the next coach better off making it easier to hire that next coach.
Petrino is a scumbag, so is Pitino now but boy did we love him.
Petrino would definitely have left after success here.
I will say that I would have at least enjoyed that success while it lasted
AND
I would bet that replacing a coach who had success would leave the next coach better off making it easier to hire that next coach.
Petrino is a scumbag, so is Pitino now but boy did we love him.
The only strong objections, to Jurich, I've read are based on off field events by two coaches. I agree with those who say public concern is mild at worst and is usually only vicious with UK fans. An unbiased observer might very well attribute that to sour grapes.
Have never understood why he still is an AD at a SEC school. His niche would probably be a school like Kentucky Wesleyan.
Have never understood why he still is an AD at a SEC school. His niche would probably be a school like Kentucky Wesleyan.
Sure, UL gets some bad press over their scandals but they get even more positive press because their football and basketball teams are highly ranked. Almost every school and coach is dirty in some way now because there is so much money involved. It's going to be very hard to win, especially in the SEC and against win at all cost schools like UL but Mitch would rather lose the right way then win the wrong way.
IMO, Football is the only sport that matters. bball is little more than a diversion for the rest of the nation. It's Football that matters. That said, I'd love to have an AD that was confident enough in his abilities to control a coach that he is not AFRAID to hire a coach that has baggage.
Most would consider a Jurich type AD as aggressive and prone to offend pc fans and the press. Barnhart is a Casper MilK Toast by comparison. Wrapping himself in a protective cocoon of minor sports and whose only forays into major sports have been disasters. The Calipari hire was with a gun to his head. Heaven help us if he ever sticks his nose back into basketball.
Major sports are called "major" for a reason. They require an administrator who is competitive. Not a non competitor who hides in the crowd. That's Barnhart. Slipping around the edge of the crowd and hoping not to step on anyone's toes.
He probably would be a better neighbor than Jurich but a pain in the neck AD for football.
Major sports are called "major" for a reason. They require an administrator who is competitive. Not a non competitor who hides in the crowd. That's Barnhart. Slipping around the edge of the crowd and hoping not to step on anyone's toes.
He probably would be a better neighbor than Jurich but a pain in the neck AD for football.
So does our BOT , Boosters, Newton and Pratt get the credit for Cal? Because they had more to do with it than Mitch. And peavy runs Mens Basketball now.... Barney is over football and the other sports.
Theres enough pc at universities these days so I certainly don't want my AD to be some pc guy afraid to take any chances. Louisville wouldnt be where they are today if it weren't for a ballsy AD like jurich who doesn't give a damn pr and is all about winning. It may not always be morally right but to be competitive these days thats what it takes. Money has corrupted college sports beyond believe and now schools will do just about anything to stay on top. As long as mitch is calling the shots Im afraid Uk will continue to slide in non basketball sports.