What two deep do you prefer?

[huskerbaseball13]

No this is not me saying we are talentless nobody team in 2015. I stated on here multiple times I don't think we have enough talent to currently win a title but I do think we have enough talent to win our division. With that said....would you take the 08' two deep or the 15' two deep?

08 Offense
QB- Joe Ganz
Patrick Witt

RB- Marlon Lucky
Roy Helu JR OR Quentin Castille

FB- Thomas Lawson
Justin Makovicka

WR- Nate Swift
Menelik Holt

WR- Todd Peterson
Niles Paul

TE- Mike Mcneill
Dreu Young

LT- Mike Smith
Jaivorio Burkes

LG- Mike Huff
Keith Williams

C- Jacob Hickman
Mike Caputo

RG- Matt Slauson
DJ Jones

RT- Lydon Murtha
Marcel Jones

08 Defense

DE- Zach Potter
Clayton Sievers

DT- Suh
Shukree Barfield

DT- Ty Steinkuhler
Jared Crick

DE- Barry Turner
Pierre Allen

OLB- Cody Glenn
Blake Lawrence

MLB- Phillip Dillard
Will Compton

OLB- Tyler Wortman
Sean Fisher

CB- Anthony West
Prince Amukumara

SS- Larry Asante
Major Culbert

FS- Ricky Thenarse
Matt O'Hanlon

CB- Armando Murillo
Eric Hagg

K- Alex Henery
P- Dan Titchener

 

[Headcard]

That 08 team had a heck of alot more talent than this team, although the back 7 on Defense was suspect.

QB- 08'
RB- 08'
OL- 08'
WR/TE- PUSH, gun to my head I say 08'.

DL- 08'
LB- PUSH, gun to my head I say 15'.
DB- 15'

K- 08', by a TON
P- 15'

Coaching- Probably too early to tell, but I'm pretty confident it will be 15' by alot

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

would you take the 08' two deep or the 15' two deep?

Everyone with a brain says 2008.

HPH members say 2015.

 

[rrdls]

Other than Gerry at safety because I don't think we had great safeties in 2008, I would take 2008 line-up across the board

 

[Cornicator]

As good as Peterson and Swift were, I think the 2015 WR Corp is much deeper and more talented.

QB- 2008
RB- push
WR- 2015
OL- 2008
DL- 2008
LB- 2015
S- 2015
CB- I honestly don't like either, but I don't believe West and Murillo would start on the '15 team

K- Henery or Brown? Lol

 

[CBloody7]

As good as Peterson and Swift were, I think the 2015 WR Corp is much deeper and more talented.

QB- 2008
RB- push
WR- 2015
OL- 2008
DL- 2008
LB- 2015
S- 2015
CB- I honestly don't like either, but I don't believe West and Murillo would start on the '15 team

K- Henery or Brown? Lol

Huh? You think the #5 (Helu) and #21 (Lucky) all time leading rushers in Nebraska history are on par with 2 unproven backs in Newby and Wilbon and a bruiser in Cross? I realize we don't know what the career yardage totals will be for the 2015 crop but really? A push?

And if you're saying not knowing what the 2008 backs were going to do, I'd still take them over our 2015 backs.

 

[Cornicator]

Huh? You think the #5 (Helu) and #21 (Lucky) all time leading rushers in Nebraska history are on par with 2 unproven backs in Newby and Wilbon and a bruiser in Cross? I realize we don't know what the career yardage totals will be for the 2015 crop but really? A push?

And if you're saying not knowing what the 2008 backs were going to do, I'd still take them over our 2015 backs.

Actually you're right.... I was using 2007 criteria. However, I do think that 2008 offensive line was very good and made Lucky a better player than he was.

 

[canthesniffgetthekick]

2015 is more talented. Except for Suh and Helu... 2008 doesn't offer too much.

I'd definitely rather have Tommy than Ganz. I like our WR group now more than Swift and Peterson.. especially when DPE comes back. O-line is kind of a wash.. Linebackers are a wash.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

hard to believe that was 7 years ago already

 

[leodisflowers]

QB - 2015 By far TA. Still don't get the love for Joey Ganz.
RB - 2015
WR - 2015
OL - 2015
DL -2008
LB - 2015
S - 2015
CB - 2015
K - 2008 by a landslide!!

Only thing I would swap out is the DL. I think we will gel pretty well going forward.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

2015 is more talented. Except for Suh and Helu... 2008 doesn't offer too much.

I'd definitely rather have Tommy than Ganz. I like our WR group now more than Swift and Peterson.. especially when DPE comes back. O-line is kind of a wash.. Linebackers are a wash.

Huh, 2008 doesn't offer too much?!?! Mention Helu but not Lucky?! Laughing

1. Barry Turner, 2nd team freshmen All American.
   
2. Zach Potter > both 2015 DE's.
   
3. Dillard > Bando. (May change but that isn't the point of thread)
   
4. Lucky/Helu > 2015 RB's.
   
5. 2008 OL, with 55+ starts > 2015 OL with less than 35 total starts (28 by one player)
6. Joe Ganz 5 years in a system > Tommy Armstrong 1 year in a system
7. McNeil > Carter or Sutton or Foster or Cotton

Big fan of our current WR group but let's not act like Swift and Peterson were chop liver.

RB - 2015, OL - 2015, CB - 2015

How do you come to the above conclusions?

 

[Headcard]

QB - 2015 By far TA. Still don't get the love for Joey Ganz.
RB - 2015
WR - 2015
OL - 2015
DL -2008
LB - 2015
S - 2015
CB - 2015
K - 2008 by a landslide!!

Only thing I would swap out is the DL. I think we will gel pretty well going forward.

How in the world could you pick the 15 OL or RB's over the 08'? Also, Ganz was great in 08', our O was so efficient we used it to keep our suspect D off the field.

 

[leodisflowers]

Huh, 2008 doesn't offer too much?!?! Mention Helu but not Lucky?! Laughing

1. Barry Turner, 2nd team freshmen All American.
   
2. Zach Potter > both 2015 DE's.
   
3. Dillard > Bando. (May change but that isn't the point of thread)
   
4. Lucky/Helu > 2015 RB's.
   
5. 2008 OL, with 55+ starts > 2015 OL with less than 35 total starts (28 by one player)
6. Joe Ganz 5 years in a system > Tommy Armstrong 1 year in a system
7. McNeil > Carter or Sutton or Foster or Cotton

Big fan of our current WR group but let's not act like Swift and Peterson were chop liver.



How do you come to the above conclusions?

I just took a look at it on how good I think the two deep can be moving forward. Not really knocking 2008, just think that 2015 guys could be better. All personal opinion. I think we have a pretty good group of D-Backs that have a chance to be awesome going forward (fingers crossed). Prince and Hagg were studs no doubt though.

I actually think we have a good set of O-lineman, just for whatever reason they didn't click game 1. I think Lewis can be nasty, and I like Reeves a lot. Gates looks good, and hopefully Foster can be a force as well. It was close, but I like the individuals we have now (probably because they are more fresh in my mind).

Finally at RB, never was a fan of Lucky. Maybe it was because I was so excited for a 5 star, and in my eyes we didn't get what a five star means to me. I think we have a potential for a good stable of backs, just need to figure out how to use them. Not that it is going to happen, but I also want to see who is a gamer. I liked what I saw out of Wilbon and would like to see AT, DO.

No to be too long winded, but it intrigues me to see how this all plays out. Kind of weird to make comparisons to a past team that I haven't watched in awhile. I agree with the 7 points you have above minus the OL and Joe Ganz.

 

[leodisflowers]

How in the world could you pick the 15 OL or RB's over the 08'? Also, Ganz was great in 08', our O was so efficient we used it to keep our suspect D off the field.

Like I said in the response to HTO it is hard to compare at this point. If you looked at this list in 2008, you would have no idea that Crick was going to be a monster or that Prince, Helu, and a few others would all do as well as they did. I think we have some folks that have a lot of potential and gauging my thoughts on that.

 

[sltoa]

I prefer the middle and ring finger myself...

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Kind of what I thought, just wanted to make sure. As far as the OL debate, there are 5 guys, which is 50% (4 drafted, 1 FA and 1 more that was invited to the combine and passed up on the NFL all together), that ended up in the NFL from the 2008 2-deep, I don't see that on our current 2-deep and for sure hope I'm wrong.

Helu is the #5 rusher in Husker history, Lucky is #21 - it'd be great if one of our current 2-deep (Newby, Cross, Wilbon) can match at least what Lucky did (2,393 rushing yards) but it's impossible for 2 of the 3 to match what Helu and Lucky did. FWIW, Cross is on pace to finish up around Makovicka (#39-ish) and Newby needs 1,800 yards just to match what Lucky did.

 

[canthesniffgetthekick]

Huh, 2008 doesn't offer too much?!?! Mention Helu but not Lucky?! Laughing

1. Barry Turner, 2nd team freshmen All American.
   
2. Zach Potter > both 2015 DE's.
   
3. Dillard > Bando. (May change but that isn't the point of thread)
   
4. Lucky/Helu > 2015 RB's.
   
5. 2008 OL, with 55+ starts > 2015 OL with less than 35 total starts (28 by one player)
6. Joe Ganz 5 years in a system > Tommy Armstrong 1 year in a system
7. McNeil > Carter or Sutton or Foster or Cotton

Big fan of our current WR group but let's not act like Swift and Peterson were chop liver.



How do you come to the above conclusions?

Agree with you on on Turner and Potter.

2009 Dillard is above 2015 Bando but 2008 Dillard is kind of a push. Don't remember him making many plays in 2008. Slight edge overall to 2015 because of Michael Rose and D. Young.

The 2008 OL still looks pretty average, despite more starts. Probably a slight edge to 2008. Lydon Murtha just false started again.

I left out Lucky because he wasn't very good. I think Lucky and Newby are pretty much the same player... first guy gets them everytime. Lucky was our 3rd best RB in 2008 and it was clear by the end of the season. Edge to 2008.

Joe Ganz 5 years into a system was pretty average. I think Tommy as a junior will be better than Ganz as a senior.

Disagree on McNeil although 2008 was his best year as a sophomore. I think our group this year will be better if healthy and if not suspended.

Sure.. Swift and Peterson were two of our best WR ever... but top to bottom this year's group is better.

Part of my reasoning is that I think the team will turn it on and we will still have a good season. I think that if the youngsters on the team this year improve as the season progresses, we'll show that we have a better roster than in 2008. Hopefully Banker can get things figured out up front and in the secondary or else I'll look dumb. I love debating stuff like this. Who was worse 2004 or 2007? Who was better 1993 or 1999? 2006 or 2012? Lots of intricacies

 

[otismotis08]

2008 hands down. Only WR is clearly better in 2015.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

If you looked at this list in 2008, you would have no idea that Crick was going to be a monster or that Prince, Helu, and a few others would all do as well as they did. I think we have some folks that have a lot of potential and gauging my thoughts on that.

The same can be said for 2015 guys you mention though so I'm not sure why you would respond with the bold. People can laugh at me now but I'd take our 2015 DT's over our 2008 DT's at the same point (basically fall camp) of each respective season. Collins and Valentine are both talked of as NFL potential whereas back in 2008 it was only Suh. Of course that all changed. As far as DE's, there is no comparison and as a group, I'd have to side with the 2008 2-deep on the DL.

To be clear, I'm not jumping you, appreciate the responses and look forward to more...

 

[leodisflowers]

The same can be said for 2015 guys you mention though so I'm not sure why you would respond with the bold. People can laugh at me now but I'd take our 2015 DT's over our 2008 DT's at the same point (basically fall camp) of each respective season. Collins and Valentine are both talked of as NFL potential whereas back in 2008 it was only Suh. Of course that all changed. As far as DE's, there is no comparison and as a group, I'd have to side with the 2008 2-deep on the DL.

To be clear, I'm not jumping you, appreciate the responses and look forward to more...

I don't think you are jumping me at all. Not sure why it is bolded, as I don't see that on my end. I think we are in agreement with most stuff, and that stats on Helu definitely make sense.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

2009 Dillard is above 2015 Bando but 2008 Dillard is kind of a push. Don't remember him making many plays in 2008. Slight edge overall to 2015 because of Michael Rose and D. Young.

The 2008 OL still looks pretty average, despite more starts. Probably a slight edge to 2008. Lydon Murtha just false started again.

I left out Lucky because he wasn't very good. I think Lucky and Newby are pretty much the same player... first guy gets them everytime. Lucky was our 3rd best RB in 2008 and it was clear by the end of the season. Edge to 2008.

Joe Ganz 5 years into a system was pretty average. I think Tommy as a junior will be better than Ganz as a senior.

Disagree on McNeil although 2008 was his best year as a sophomore. I think our group this year will be better if healthy and if not suspended.

You may want to go back and watch tape on Dillard in 2007. He tore it up in dang near every game he played, can't fault him for Coz playing McKeon for majority of the snaps. There is no way anyone can say 2015 Bando, at this point in time, is better than 2008 Dillard.

Alex Lewis laughs at Murtha's false start.

Lucky finished his career as #4 all purpose yards, #21 career rushing yards, and #1 in most receptions in a season (different offense, for sure, plenty of check downs however, that doesn't defeat the fact he's top of the list). Of course the edge is to 2008.

Ganz holds 20+ school records as a QB. I'm not a fan of Ganz, and believe Tommy will end up as a better QB, but I refuse to diminish what he accomplished, dude was money for us.

If, if, if, oh my...

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

I don't think you are jumping me at all. Not sure why it is bolded, as I don't see that on my end. I think we are in agreement with most stuff, and that stats on Helu definitely make sense.

Okay cool, just wanted to be clear since it's something I've been acussed of plenty on here. I bolded it as it didn't make much sense to mention, since you did the same thing. Basically, I found it odd.

 

[nebcountry]

I'd take the '08 group, but hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully the '15 group develops and becomes great.

But is that really the true point of the thread. Why pick the '08 squad unless you want to compare coaches' 1st years. With hindsight in mind, at this point in time Pelini had it better. Without the '08 list I probably would've called it a toss-up, but with list and seeing it, Pelini had it better.

So should oneself expect more from a less experienced coaching staff with better talent to do better or worse than a more experienced coaching staff with lesser talent. And I suppose that's all a matter of opinion.

 

[otismotis08]

Although an interesting comparison, this thread is relevant because ...

 

[Headcard]

Like I said in the response to HTO it is hard to compare at this point. If you looked at this list in 2008, you would have no idea that Crick was going to be a monster or that Prince, Helu, and a few others would all do as well as they did. I think we have some folks that have a lot of potential and gauging my thoughts on that.

Gottcha

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Although an interesting comparison, this thread is relevant because ...

Well, it's relevant because this is a Husker board......It's not relevant to anything pertaining to the outcome of this year I think we all expect to win games with the players we have on this roster. It was a simple question. Thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of the board considering most believe the previous staff had some rebuilding to do after Callahan was fired. And now, we are hearing some chatter that Riley was brought in to win a championship right away(as in this year). And I find that interesting considering one could argue that our roster was as talented if not more talented in 08' than it is in 15'.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Like I said in the response to HTO it is hard to compare at this point. If you looked at this list in 2008, you would have no idea that Crick was going to be a monster or that Prince, Helu, and a few others would all do as well as they did. I think we have some folks that have a lot of potential and gauging my thoughts on that.

Good point in fact SUH did not really come into his own til later in the year and the same for Steinkuhler - Dillard if I recalll was a bit out of shape but really came on in 2009

I do like Armstrong better than Ganz - TA is more dual threat and while Ganz was more adept in a passing system than TA he was also just as turnover prone as TA - I think TA is more dangerous at similar points of time

 

[otismotis08]

Well, it's relevant because this is a Husker board......It's not relevant to anything pertaining to the outcome of this year I think we all expect to win games with the players we have on this roster. It was a simple question. Thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of the board considering most believe the previous staff had some rebuilding to do after Callahan was fired. And now, we are hearing some chatter that Riley was brought in to win a championship right away(as in this year). And I find that interesting considering one could argue that our roster was as talented if not more talented in 08' than it is in 15'.

Fair enough. I think it's generally accepted that Callahan's recruits were stronger than Bo's.

 

[otismotis08]

Good point in fact SUH did not really come into his own til later in the year and the same for Steinkuhler - Dillard if I recalll was a bit out of shape but really came on in 2009

I do like Armstrong better than Ganz - TA is more dual threat and while Ganz was more adept in a passing system than TA he was also just as turnover prone as TA - I think TA is more dangerous at similar points of time

Yes, but Ganz seemed to have some odd escapability and seemed to know when to pull it down and scramble. TA still seems clunky.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Yes, but Ganz seemed to have some odd escapability and seemed to know when to pull it down and scramble. TA still seems clunky.

true Ganz was slippery - both have their pro's and cons at similar points - I think I would still take TA as his natural ability is higher

 

[leodisflowers]

true Ganz was slippery - both have their pro's and cons at similar points - I think I would still take TA as his natural ability is higher

TA has a lot bigger arm. Ganz was slippery, but he was a bit turnover prone as well. I was so pissed when he threw the pick in overtime against TT. We had em! Oh well.