What we learned this weekend

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I know that there is another thread on it, but I'm just going to do another one since the other one was stinking from the smell of a dead horse being beaten. Let's try this again.

Bad:

1. We still strike out too much and we don't walk enough. Their ace was legit- but even if you take out his 9 K's and for fairness his two walks, we still had a BB/K ratio of 10/17. We've got to even that up better.

2. I'd like to see us steal more and put the runners in motion more. We're healthy now and we've added some guys like Robson- let's take advantage of it.

3. Kyle Hann doesn't look like he is ready, which means second base still looks like just about an automatic out for us. It's the curse of Sam Frost.

4. We walked too many guys. Graveman was off, Lindgren wasn't sharp, and Evan Mitchell looked marginally better. Cox and Fitts also labored. I think it's likely due to a lack of concentration on their part more than anything, but when you are talking about four guys, I'm overgeneralizing.

5. Wes Rea tweaked his quad.

Good:

1. We swept this team relatively easily without our ace. We may have walked guys, but we didn't give up very many key hits. Even though they are not a very good hitting team, allowing three runs in four games- and we probably should have had two shutouts had we not overextended Fitts in game three. A 0.75 ERA as a team is nothing to be down about at all.

2. Bracewell and Holder- Filthy. If we have a lead after seven, it's pretty much over.

3. Chad Girodo and Myles Gentry are going to help us out a lot this year. They were both impressive.

4. Luis Pollorena is making a case to be the Sunday starter in my opinion. I would prefer him pitch midweek during the SEC season. Speaking of, our rotation is already starting to form- by the time SEC play rolls around: Woodruff on Friday, Graveman on Saturday, and Lindgren or Evan Mitchell on Sunday with Pollorena pitching during midweek and coming in relief in SEC play as needed. I'm not too down on Fitts and Cox- both will be SEC weekend starters, but they are not quite ready yet. They need to be used in long relief and then they need to go have a good summer and come back ready to compete for the Sunday and midweek spot next year.

5. Mitch Slauter tore the cover off the ball. If he steps up, he will be a nice RH DH compliment to Trey Porter on days he doesn't catch.

6. On that note- Nic Ammiratti stepped up and played very well behind the plate. He has come a long way since last year defensively and he can hopefully allow Slauter to rest here and there. Portland State read the scouting report on him from last year- and he made them pay twice.

7. We're starting to use the whole field better at the plate. Now- we're not "there" yet. As someone in the other thread said, we are still pulling off breaking balls too much at times. But you can also see that we are starting to use the whole field better- two examples of what I am talking about: Wes Rea's home run to right center in game one and Demarcus Henderson's game winning hit in game two where he took a pitch to the opposite field. That's a sign of maturity as a hitter- and I expect this to improve as the year goes along.

8. Demarcus played very well aside from hitting into a double play. He may be our most improved hitter along with Slauter. Trey Porter looked very good as well.

9. We need to play Nick Flair more. Just not as a pinch runner- him getting picked off won him the *** of the weekend award slightly over Porter for getting thrown out at third after reading a ball in the dirt incorrectly. That aside- his double was scorched pretty good. Jacob Robson did pretty well too- but I think Demarcus is pretty close to securing the left field job.

10. Adam Frazier has increased his range exponentially. Thank you Team USA! He may not have made very many appearances in games with them- but no doubt he put some good productive work in. He hit very well all weekend as well. If I were the coach, I would hit him two behind CT Bradford- but both can hit 1 or 2, so it's semantics.

11. CT Bradford is back! He hit the ball pretty well and made some nice plays in the outfield.

12. Wes Rea will be back pretty soon, and I kind of feel sorry for Grambling for drawing Woodruff tomorrow. At least they're getting a check.

13. CT Bradford is also back as a pitcher. I like how Butch and Cohen used him to finish off a hitter in game two. Don't be surprised if we see them do that with Daryl Norris and Hunter Renfroe at times this year as well- and I wouldn't be surprised if we use Brandon Woodruff as a hitter some next year also. We may also let Johnathan Holder hit some if we start doing a lot of double switches like that where we lose the DH and we have also already seen Pollorena play some outfield. This is one reason why you recruit dual position players- with limited scholarships and roster spots, you expand your options.

14. We won all four games.

We get one more tune up with Grambling on Tuesday. After that, we have our first big test. Purdue hosted a regional last year and we all know about Samford. Samford has the MVP of the Cape Cod League on their team and they have already hit seven home runs. We have struggled against Big 10 teams under Cohen- we got swept by Iowa a couple of years ago. We're going to face both of their aces- and we may pitch Woodruff Sunday, but it will depend on how his start against Grambling goes. If we do well, it could go a long way towards hosting a regional- beating Purdue which is a Northern team, and then Samford will look good in the eyes of the committee. The committee is going to be happy that we are playing a lot of Northern schools- that could help us out down the road as well.
 

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Why do you keep saying that Kyle Hann is the guy to beat at 2B? He's not. It's Brett Pirtle's job to lose. And yes, I'd rather see Frost or Britton at 2B before a true freshman. Robson is the only guy who may challenge the incumbent starters at this point, though I don't think there's even a spot for him. Obviously Ammariti will help Slauter catch.
 

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I agree mostly that its semantics btw CT & Frazier batting leadoff, but just wondering why you would want to change something that is working & why you wouldnt want your player with the highest OBP leading off?

Not a smart *** question - just wanting your reasoning.
 

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Luis Pollorena is making a case to play all 9 positions in one game. He has to be the most versatile player The Mississippi State University has ever had.
 

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I agree about flipping CT and Frazier. I see the advantage of batting Frazier 1st....but at the same time I think Frazier has too few opportunities with runners on base. If we aren't going to flip them, then I would at least like to see us put Henderson or even Norris in the 8 hole to try and generate some RBI opportunities for Frazier. When you have a hit machine like him, why not try and get some people on ahead of him.
Also, am I the only one that wishes Renfroe was batting 3rd in the lineup? What am I missing here? It seems like last year, and so far this year, he is batting 5th or lower and the bases are always empty when he comes up. It appears that Frazier and CT will reach base a lot this year, so let's get Renfroe hitting behind them to get some Ribbies. Not only that, but he has better speed than Rea or Porter, so less likely to be doubled up....AND it will put one more good hitter on base for big Wes.
I guess I just feel like we still don't have the top to bottom hitting that enables us to spread our best hitters out throughout the lineup. Let's get our 4 best hitters..Frazier, CT, Renfroe, Rea...and put them at the top so we have a good shot at some big innings. I'm not factoring in lefty/righty though, but it just seems logical to have Renfroe in better RBI position in the order.

I may be wrong though. Educate me.
 
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Will James

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We won't 'learn' anything until after next weekend. Nothing is definitive at this point. I like what I see but I don't pretend to base anything going forward on four games versus Portland.

Even after next weekend while we may 'learn' some things nothing will be definitive until 4 or so series into league play. That's where the bread is buttered. Hell Pirtle may hit .300 an just be off to a slow start. Nothing can be based on these 4 games that we haven't already seen from last year, such as defense and the bullpen will be good because they proved that last year and showed no signs of falloff. We didn't hit last year so we really don't know who has made a jump until later in the season.
 

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We sure have a loooooong stretch of home games; I didn't count, but it looks like half the season and all the games prior to conference play. Why is that?
 

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Second base is definitely the big question mark coming out of the weekend. I would kind of like to see Frost at starting at second right now. Hann would be next and then Pirtle or Britton. Pirtle just didn't put good swings on the ball and Britton has zero confidence right now.

Todd, can Flair play second? I know that kid is supposed to be able to smash.
 

Will James

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Second base is definitely the big question mark coming out of the weekend. I would kind of like to see Frost at starting at second right now. Hann would be next and then Pirtle or Britton. Pirtle just didn't put good swings on the ball and Britton has zero confidence right now.

Todd, can Flair play second? I know that kid is supposed to be able to smash.

Its been four games and your inserting Frost? He is my 4th option at 2B. It's been one series. 2B is a question right now, not a catastrophe.
 

Railin Jemmye

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If he could play the position, then Cohen would have kept him there. He got every opportunity to play it and still was moved to OF.

Cohen realizes that middle IF has to be a strength, so he's playing guys that are lights out in the field. I think he's placing more emphasis on defense than offense right now, especially when it comes to that ONE position. We have enough hitters now to where we can just play the best defensive 2B-man.

But I agree, it'd be nice if Henderson or Robson could play 2B. Not happening though.
 

Will James

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Everyone is placing Robson on a high pedestal and I just don't think it is warranted right now. He is not where CT was as a frosh. He will go through the same learning curves that everyone else does and probably struggle a little bit. He is no doubt a talent but Hendo is ready now, Pirtle has JUCO experience, and Britton has SEC experience.

We'll ease Robson into his role and he will be a starter next year.
 

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Its been four games and your inserting Frost? He is my 4th option at 2B. It's been one series. 2B is a question right now, not a catastrophe.

This whole thread was based on what we learned after one weekend dubmass. I haven't annointed anyone the starting role.

Frost is the vet and our best option right now in my opinion (probably not in the majority around here). He's not a great player, but had 20 rbi's last year and solid with the glove. He would give us a chance to ease the other guys in. I have no problem seeing what the other guys can do early though. We're still trying to find our best lineup, but after facing some stiff competition this next weekend I think we will have a pretty good idea as to what our starting lineup will look.
 

Todd4State

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Why do you keep saying that Kyle Hann is the guy to beat at 2B? He's not. It's Brett Pirtle's job to lose. And yes, I'd rather see Frost or Britton at 2B before a true freshman. Robson is the only guy who may challenge the incumbent starters at this point, though I don't think there's even a spot for him. Obviously Ammariti will help Slauter catch.

I've never said that Kyle Hann is the guy to beat out- I've been saying that that Pirtle would start for months now, but that Hann could platoon as a right handed hitting option.
 

Todd4State

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The NCAA wants to promote college baseball in the Nothern US

northern schools?

And they don't like the SEC dominating the sport. That's the short answer anyway. Purdue is a great example- they would have finished near the bottom of the SEC last year, yet they got to host a regional.
 

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That much I understand but I can't see the NCAA currying favor for us

because we played Purdue two games. I could be wrong though.
 

Todd4State

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I agree mostly that its semantics btw CT & Frazier batting leadoff, but just wondering why you would want to change something that is working & why you wouldnt want your player with the highest OBP leading off?

Not a smart *** question - just wanting your reasoning.

You are right- it is working and that's why it's not really that big of a deal as far switching the two. Personally, I feel like CT is a faster player and I also feel like Frazier handles the bat better. In a perfect scenario- CT gets on, steals second and then Frazier drives him in. There's not too much of a drop off between CT and Frazier as far as skill in my opinion.

I'm not demanding that it happen as much as advocating that we try it and see what happens.
 

Todd4State

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Actually, I think hitting Renfroe third

I agree about flipping CT and Frazier. I see the advantage of batting Frazier 1st....but at the same time I think Frazier has too few opportunities with runners on base. If we aren't going to flip them, then I would at least like to see us put Henderson or even Norris in the 8 hole to try and generate some RBI opportunities for Frazier. When you have a hit machine like him, why not try and get some people on ahead of him.
Also, am I the only one that wishes Renfroe was batting 3rd in the lineup? What am I missing here? It seems like last year, and so far this year, he is batting 5th or lower and the bases are always empty when he comes up. It appears that Frazier and CT will reach base a lot this year, so let's get Renfroe hitting behind them to get some Ribbies. Not only that, but he has better speed than Rea or Porter, so less likely to be doubled up....AND it will put one more good hitter on base for big Wes.
I guess I just feel like we still don't have the top to bottom hitting that enables us to spread our best hitters out throughout the lineup. Let's get our 4 best hitters..Frazier, CT, Renfroe, Rea...and put them at the top so we have a good shot at some big innings. I'm not factoring in lefty/righty though, but it just seems logical to have Renfroe in better RBI position in the order.

I may be wrong though. Educate me.

Is a great idea. Rea and Renfroe are almost interchangeable like CT and Frazier. You might very well see Cohen do that. I do think that putting Rea and Renfroe around Porter helps him a lot- or at least it did this weekend.
 

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We sure have a loooooong stretch of home games; I didn't count, but it looks like half the season and all the games prior to conference play. Why is that?

We front load the schedule to figure out our rotation and who can do what and then allow our players to rest and work on things that they need to during the SEC season and so that we don't thin out our pitching staff trying to beat Louisiana-Monroe two days in a row. Exam week is also in there.

It also allows us flexibility to re-schedule a non-conference game if one gets rained out early in the year.

Most weeks, we still play an opponent on Tuesday- usually at a neutral site or on the road. Somehow Oral Roberts got thrown in there too.
 

Todd4State

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Second base is definitely the big question mark coming out of the weekend. I would kind of like to see Frost at starting at second right now. Hann would be next and then Pirtle or Britton. Pirtle just didn't put good swings on the ball and Britton has zero confidence right now.

Todd, can Flair play second? I know that kid is supposed to be able to smash.

Flair is a corner infielder and he is more of a third baseman. Alex Detz is actually another option- but right now Pirtle is a superior defender to Frost and Detz. I would venture to guess that Pirtle is also a better offensive player than Frost. Pirtle led all of our second basemen in hitting in the fall.
 

Todd4State

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because we played Purdue two games. I could be wrong though.

It's not just Purdue- we also play Rhode Island and St. Joseph's.

I don't think you are necessarily wrong- but the committee has kept SEC teams out or given them questionable seeds because of it in the past. What they will do this year? Who knows?

The committee looks for excuses to keep SEC teams out- that is one of the main reasons why the SEC Tournament was expanded. Remember the old- "well, if you can't make the SEC Tournament, you shouldn't make the NCAA Tournament" excuse?

Their worst nightmare would be for the CWS to be five SEC teams and then three from the Miami, Florida State, Texas, USCw, or Arizona State make it. Hence why we had to play Florida in a SR a couple of years ago.
 

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The reason they want to keep Demarcus in the outfield is because they want him to focus on one position- that being outfield- because the coaches think that him moving around will affect his development as a player- meaning his offense. I would be surprised if they moved him.
 

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Those are all good points and I agree. On the other hand, some of those teams

from the North hurt our RPI don't they? I guess with the SEC schedule we play it more than makes up for it though.
 

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Flair is a corner infielder and he is more of a third baseman.

He came in as 3b/ss right? I figured he could transition to 2nd pretty well if he played short but if he could play 2nd I guess he would be there now.



Pirtle led all of our second basemen in hitting in the fall.

Not sure how he accomplished that because he had a bad approach at the plate and a weak swing all last weekend. Could've been the cold weather though.
 

Railin Jemmye

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What the? Do you even think about some of the things you say?

He's playing in the OF because he wasn't good enough to play 2B, period. Geez, son.
 

Railin Jemmye

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Again, this makes no sense. You are far from a baseball expert. Flair has practiced extensively at 3B and SS, making him not just a corner infielder. Guys like Norris are the corner guys, but Flair is faster than he is. Detz came in as a 2B and has played 1B in Rea's absence. So what? Your theories are dumb and not rooted in any logic at all. It's almost like you just post what YOU would like to see happen.
 

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Is a great idea. Rea and Renfroe are almost interchangeable like CT and Frazier. You might very well see Cohen do that. I do think that putting Rea and Renfroe around Porter helps him a lot- or at least it did this weekend.

I agree about Porter. I am not sold on him as the primary DH. I know he swung it decent this weekend, but he is a dead pull hitter. Anything he hits oppo is a weak pop up or grounder. I know we need some left handed hitters, and power, and Porter brings both...but I wouldn't be shocked to see Flair spend a lot of time DHing this year. That is if he doesn't steal Norris's spot at 3B.
 

Will James

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I agree about Porter. I am not sold on him as the primary DH. I know he swung it decent this weekend, but he is a dead pull hitter. Anything he hits oppo is a weak pop up or grounder. I know we need some left handed hitters, and power, and Porter brings both...but I wouldn't be shocked to see Flair spend a lot of time DHing this year. That is if he doesn't steal Norris's spot at 3B.

So do you ever have an original thought or do you steal everyone else's. A few days ago you are Norris' biggest fan an he can hit .350 now he could have his 3B spot stolen? Todd says in his IT that he thinks Porter will have a reduced role so all of a sudden Cadaver isn't sure about Porter. He had 6 hits this weekend! Opposite field? That p-rod through the 6 hole yesterday looked good starting off our insurance inning. Quit bumming opinions and have one yourself. You are the Mike Tolbert of six pack opinions.
 

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So do you ever have an original thought or do you steal everyone else's. A few days ago you are Norris' biggest fan an he can hit .350 now he could have his 3B spot stolen? Todd says in his IT that he thinks Porter will have a reduced role so all of a sudden Cadaver isn't sure about Porter. He had 6 hits this weekend! Opposite field? That p-rod through the 6 hole yesterday looked good starting off our insurance inning. Quit bumming opinions and have one yourself. You are the Mike Tolbert of six pack opinions.

Haha, those are all MY opinions, but having you disagree with me doesn't exactly bother me.

If I'm the Mike Tolbert of SPS, then you must be the Martin Gramatica. A kicker that's not even in my league.
 
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That there's some really screwed up divorces?

That I'm glad I'm married to someone who isn't totally psycho batshit crazy?