What were your feelings about Nick Fitzgerald from the spring game. I ran into

coach66

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him at the baseball game and the guy is even bigger than I thought. Once he matures physically he has the potential to be a physically imposing figure. He looked poised beyond his years to me in the game but I was interested in others opinions.
 

engie

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He's farther along as a passer than I think even the most optimistic of us thought he would be at this point...
 

MSUDC11

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Very possible that he plays a little next season and Staley redshirts. Last year showed us that you always need at least 3 QB's ready to go.
 

coach66

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In my long history of following MSU football we have never been close to this QB

quality depth that I can remember.
 

maroonmadman

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quality depth that I can remember.

I concur 66. The only thing that concerns me is do we have enough quality and depth in the big nasties on the o-line so Dak can stay healthy and we won't have to us this quality depth at QB.
 

kphall11

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He is going to give staley a run for his money and since staley wants to focus on hoops as well, Fitzgerald could potentially pass staley eventually. Fitzgerald choosing to enroll early helps him a ton. It should be interesting to see the Fitzgerald/Staley battle in the future.
 

coach66

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understand but I think the key to keeping Dak healthy is to actually use our

depth wisely and keep him as fresh as possible for the big moments.
 

AlCoDog

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Steal of the class, and keep in mind he has essentially already been through 2 springs since he was able to participate in bowl practices last year.
 

engie

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Steal of the class, and keep in mind he has essentially already been through 2 springs since he was able to participate in bowl practices last year.

Very true... I had forgotten about that...
 

Miss.Stake

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They Key to keeping Dak healthy is Dan not using him as a Tebow bulldozer with our OL and giving him a lead blocker most of the time.
 

patdog

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I was shocked at how well he threw the ball and understood the game. He looked more like a junior than a kid who was in high school 4 months ago. He looks like he's going to see a lot of playing time in his career.
 

Irondawg

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i agree as well. I was shocked to see how well he threw the ball and how confident he looked doing it.


Just going from various reports I was fully expecting to see a guy who might be a better TE long-term but I didn't see that all. I saw a guy who just might could be a upper tier SEC QB in a few years. Time well tell how his passing progresses and how good his ability is to read a true defense.
 

Cherokee

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Fits looked really good and I have a great feeling about our future at QB. That said, need to redshirt Fitz. Dak will be tough to unseat barring injury for next two years. Enough depth now that barring injury this is a real good time to let Fitz save as much eligibility as possible.
 

Wizard.sixpack

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So we should RS Fitz and Staley and roll with 2 relevant QB's. The top 2 guys would NEVER both get hurt at the same time. I like it.
 

patdog

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It's not like you have to make a decision a the beginning of the year and you're stuck with it. Go in with the idea of redshirting both if you can, and take the redshirt off one of them if either Dak or Damien gets hurt. I'd a lot rather have Fitzgerald competing with Williams for the starting job in 2 years as a redshirt soph than as a jr.
 

Wizard.sixpack

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Ok Croom..What happens if in game 7 Prescott gets hurt and in game 8 Williams gets hurt....You bring a RS'd Fitz or Staley out and say congratulations we just blew a whole year of eligibility for you.
 

57stratdawg

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Only issue with that is Fitz/Staley's first game action might come in a tight ball game as compared to getting them some reps in the 4th quarter of several OOC games. Last year Williams got snaps against Alcorn State and Troy before being called into action in SEC play because of Prescott & Russell's injuries.
 

bonedaddy401

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Give Staley a run for his money? He is already ahead of him. What lofty pedestal do you have Staley on?

I can't tell you right now that if Fitz plays this year we are in trouble. If Dak and D Will get hurt we have serious issues on our hands. Fitz is the future at QB for us. Staley's eyes were as big around as dinner plates post spring game. He better be ready to work or its gna be exit stage left around this team.
 

AlCoDog

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If Dak is injured, and it is something that would keep him out more than 2 weeks, you burn the red shirt and start letting him get reps immedeately I think. You don't wait for both to go down.
 

121Josey

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State will play Fitz this year. I don't see how you keep both him and Staley around for 5 years.
 

patdog

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So let's just burn a whole year of eligibility just on the chance that we might lose 2 QBs? It's not like he would get hardly any playing time even if we did burn the redshirt early and it's not like a few minutes in garbage time against garbage teams like USM, UAB & USA would help him much if he did have to play meaningful minutes late in the season anyway.
 

AlCoDog

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I have a feeling if Staley comes in and sees Fitz is going to be ahead of him, he will switch schools or play basketball exclusivley. No way they would both stay here 5 years, especially with the guys we are recruiting behind them especially the 16' class. That's why things have a way of working themselves out.
 

Cherokee

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I'm not saying neither or both won't get hurt. Just saying that is a good starting plan. Just as it was more than likely Mullen's plan this past year to RS Williams until Tyler had trouble.
 

121Josey

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I have a feeling if Staley comes in and sees Fitz is going to be ahead of him, he will switch schools or play basketball exclusivley.

I sure hope you're wrong. Fitz is already light years a head of Staley because Staley hasn't played football in at least 6 months and Fitz has been practicing with the team for almost 4 months. I feel that they'll tell Staley to RS in football and bulk up then get an early start on BB and see what he can do there.
 

Cherokee

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You're right, Staley regardless of talent is behind Fitz now because of time in the system. I'd agree that it is not likely both of them will still be on campus 4 years from now.
 

AlCoDog

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I noticed I didn't type that as clear as I should have. Didn't mean to make it sound like Staley would make that kind of decision this year, but after he is here for an entire red shirt season, maybe a rsf year too, he will be able to tell if he needs to stick around or not. I can't wait to watch the competition unfold.
 

coach66

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I agree, glad to have Staley but he is going

To find success in football at Msu is going to be tougher than basketball and I'm not sure he has the personality to handle that fact. He has a high class problem on his hands and he needs to humble himself and work hard at both and see where it leads.
 

BKCBully

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Serious question. Could you redshirt one as a freshman and one as a soph? I'm not as knowing in the rules of redshirting as I should be.
 

sipDawg98

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If Dak goes down, Fitz will not be the one they put in. That's incredibly stupid. They'll put in Damian Williams. Now if Damian goes down, yes possibly Fitz will play.

Yes, he's got a great frame, but he's still developing mentally as a college QB.

On the flipside, I think down the road he's going to be our hoss, no doubt. He'll redshirt this year though unless something crazy happens.
 

dickiedawg

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If Fitzgerald plays well enough to unseat Williams as the backup, he should be the backup.
 

shotgunDawg

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Here is how it will work:

1. We will go into the season with Fitz traveling with the team as the third QB, but he will not play unless absolutely needed. There is no reason to take snaps away Williams in garbage time, and to give Fitz only 10 snaps on the year. It's not right to waste a year on 10 snaps. There are only so many snaps in a game, and Dak will be taking the large majority of those with Williams needing the rest.

2. Should Dak go down for a short stint, you only play Williams with Fitz being ready.

3. Should Dak go down for a longer stint, It now becomes a battle between Williams and Fitz for who starts. If Dak goes down for a 3 or 4 weeks, then Fitz should then be given every opportunity to win the job, and I'm not sure he wouldn't
 

sipDawg98

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Here is how it will work:

1. We will go into the season with Fitz traveling with the team as the third QB, but he will not play unless absolutely needed. There is no reason to take snaps away Williams in garbage time, and to give Fitz only 10 snaps on the year. It's not right to waste a year on 10 snaps. There are only so many snaps in a game, and Dak will be taking the large majority of those with Williams needing the rest.

2. Should Dak go down for a short stint, you only play Williams with Fitz being ready.

3. Should Dak go down for a longer stint, It now becomes a battle between Williams and Fitz for who starts. If Dak goes down for a 3 or 4 weeks, then Fitz should then be given every opportunity to win the job, and I'm not sure he wouldn't


Exactly. You'll see Fitz on the sidelines helping signal in plays this year. He won't be used unless absolutely needed.
 

engie

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My question now becomes ---

Why are we still trying to define the short-term ceiling for a guy that has already blown past even our most optimistic expectations? At this point, we need to just let it play out with him IMO...
 

coach66

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Engie, the interesting thing is we didn't really get to see what Nick does best

in the Spring Game and that is run the football. I'm sticking with my John Bond with a Good Arm label.
 

engie

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in the Spring Game and that is run the football. I'm sticking with my John Bond with a Good Arm label.

That's a really good description IMO...

As hard as it is to break this cycle as MSU fans -- it's time we quit worrying about our QB situation and recruiting. Got a couple really decent options in the 2015 class -- and could pull a total coup in 2016. With what's going to be 4 really good options already on campus.

The next 5 years will redefine "who MSU is" in the national eye offensively. It's going to break down our stereotypes -- and it's going to be a blast...
 

johnson86-1

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Exactly. You'll see Fitz on the sidelines helping signal in plays this year. He won't be used unless absolutely needed.

I suspect after the way last year played out, we'll see Fitz or Staley if we have any injury issues with Dak or Williams. They brought Williams in for minutes early in the season and I think it paid off against Arkansas and UM. It might have been an easier decision for Williams since they felt really good about the class coming in behind him, but I think they may now be at the point that they feel confident they'll have good options every year, or at least confident enough that they won't sacrifice any this season because of concern about who will be qb in four years.