What will happen to the CCL next year????
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No Leo, no LFA......that goes down to 18 teams....maybe blackmail Phillips and a team like Solorio*, (both AUSL)into a voluntary scheduling agreement whereby they leave their Illini Land of Lincoln division for a temporary period to be the "backfill" for these two rumored departures. Instead of sanctioned, they get challenged by more CCL Blue, Green, White teams, sort of like a Jordan mid-career retirement.
Longer term, you now either have 3 divisions of 6 teams each, or 2 of 9. St. Joe in a tough spot with either - I still say if they dont drop, they need to look into the Metro Suburban.
*Solorio might be tempted to be the AUSL basketball version of Phillips, not that the CPS needs more instruction in those manuevers - http://neilski.typepad.com/wwwlanet...or-65-freshman-kahlil-whitney-of-solorio.html .
Longer term, you now either have 3 divisions of 6 teams each, or 2 of 9. St. Joe in a tough spot with either - I still say if they dont drop, they need to look into the Metro Suburban.
*Solorio might be tempted to be the AUSL basketball version of Phillips, not that the CPS needs more instruction in those manuevers - http://neilski.typepad.com/wwwlanet...or-65-freshman-kahlil-whitney-of-solorio.html .
MCHS FEN DLS would leave the conference for the ESCC. Who wants to go thru the meat grinder of the first five. Fenwick already begged out of the Blue.
For 2016 & 2017...The Blue is the same (LA, BR, SR, MC and Prov) and the Green is the same (Mont, DLS, Fen, Marmion, St F) The White is BMac, Laurence, Iggy, and AC and the Red is now Leo, St. Joes and DePaul Prep. everyone who had LFA on schedule will either get forfeit win or try to find someone new.
Wasn't Marist and C of M adamant that they wanted the Chicago Metro conference disbanded?
I thought it was Marist and Marian Catholic. Not so sure if they wanted it disbanded as much as they didn't want to have to play the southside CCL boys schools. Things have changed at Marist in terms of their football fortunes, and they are already playing at least one of those schools almost every year in non-con or playoff games.
If no LFA and Leo, the CCL re-alignment should have went something like this.....
Hibernate the red, add black, then make 4 divisions of 4.....
BLUE = Loyola, Mount Camel, Brother Rice, Providence
BLACK = St. Rita, Montini, Fenwick, De La Salle
GREEN = St. Francis, Marmion Academy, St. Laurence, Bishop MacNamara
WHITE = Aurora Christian, St. Ignatius, St. Joseph, DePaul Prep
Everyone has a 7 game league record + 2 non-cons;
BLUE = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs black, 1 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs white
BLACK = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs white
GREEN = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs white, 1 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs black
WHITE = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs black
Schedule = locked for 2 years, home & home versus same schedule
SF = every 2 years, the combined records for the 14 conference games are evaluated. For the top 2 divisions; blue #4 and black #1 swap divisions. For the bottom 2 divisions, green #4 and white #1 swap positions. This keeps 8 teams in separate sides of the league, which promotes long term competitiveness. Those concerned with playing blue teams year in year out will only have 2 on their slate 1st two years, after two year success factor that number might climb to 3 but recent success will dictate change. Thoughts?
Hibernate the red, add black, then make 4 divisions of 4.....
BLUE = Loyola, Mount Camel, Brother Rice, Providence
BLACK = St. Rita, Montini, Fenwick, De La Salle
GREEN = St. Francis, Marmion Academy, St. Laurence, Bishop MacNamara
WHITE = Aurora Christian, St. Ignatius, St. Joseph, DePaul Prep
Everyone has a 7 game league record + 2 non-cons;
BLUE = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs black, 1 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs white
BLACK = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs white
GREEN = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs white, 1 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs black
WHITE = 3 inter div, 2 c/o vs green, 1 c/o vs blue, 1 c/o vs black
Schedule = locked for 2 years, home & home versus same schedule
SF = every 2 years, the combined records for the 14 conference games are evaluated. For the top 2 divisions; blue #4 and black #1 swap divisions. For the bottom 2 divisions, green #4 and white #1 swap positions. This keeps 8 teams in separate sides of the league, which promotes long term competitiveness. Those concerned with playing blue teams year in year out will only have 2 on their slate 1st two years, after two year success factor that number might climb to 3 but recent success will dictate change. Thoughts?
What is needed in the CCL is less selfishness and more emphasis on the common good.
Go two divisions
Put Loyola, MC, Montini on one side, Rice Rita and PC on the other. Split up the other 10. Gives 7 league games and two non con.
In perfect world You add Montini to the Blue but that will never happen as there would be a chance at some point they may not make the playoffs. In their current situation they will never miss.
Put Loyola, MC, Montini on one side, Rice Rita and PC on the other. Split up the other 10. Gives 7 league games and two non con.
In perfect world You add Montini to the Blue but that will never happen as there would be a chance at some point they may not make the playoffs. In their current situation they will never miss.
If the chances of making the playoffs is almost impossible you will get less kids to take the test at your school. Which is why everyone will leave the CCL before they get forced into the Blue.
The hatred of the IHSA is the only thing most of the CCL schools have in common. Everything else is about survival and why if there ever was a split, atleast half of them wouldn't go with.
I was not singling out Rita here but I agree 1 blue team would be pissed off at conception. However, inclusion of the SF model would give the departing blue team a chance to move up if they take care of business in the newly formed black div for the 1st two years. BTW they'd still play 2 of those 4 blue teams in cross overs that NOW COUNT so not all sacred rivalries would be extinct. You didn't mention Provy, maybe they wouldn't mind taking on that role? They'd be with Montini, Fenwick, & DLS for two years then SF'd up if warranted. MC140 mentioned a split would result in half leaving so why not an equal 4 div league built with SF? Think about it, the CCL black & blue divisions will still represent big boy football and it takes care of the 4 and 3 or 2 div problem that won't go away. Non CCL small schools would be foolish to join. The league continuously demonstrates that decisions are made with a handful of the larger schools in mind.
There was a proposal for 3 divisions of 6 and was shot down by the red and white teams, the blue wants to be split up. 18 schools, rank them 1-18 based on parity and snake through the divisions. You would have 2 blues in each division, and everyone split evenly, crossover with someone of equal caliber. The ultimate goal is to have as many teams as possible in the playoffs. Under that format I believe you get at least 10/18 every year
The CCL is looking to expand as well as stated on their website. This is just turning into a mess because of DeLaSalle and Fenwicks unwillingness to move up and threatening to leave (and now Montini being the same from all indications). If Leo is not playing they only have 2 teams in the Red? How does that work.
Could DLS/Fen/MCHS pull another 3 teams away from the CCL - that is if they cant be added as an ESCC expansion? Maybe the West Suburban Catholic Conferences rises again (those 3+ Marm, SF, and AC).
To make that work, the neo-WSCC would need a big and a small division, which might need additional non-Blue CCL to work. That might isolate the Blue division and cause either a +1 poach from the ESCC or have a more extreme imbalance in a simple larger CCL without divisions.
I would love to see Marist and St. Pat's in the fold....and go after Elgin St. Ed's, Guerin Prep, Aurora Central Catholic and Elmhurst IC for the small divisions.
Blue: Mt. Carmel, BR, SR, LA, PC, Marist
White: DLS, Fenwick, Montini, St. Pat,St. Francis, Marmion
Green: St. Laurence, BM, AC, ACC, Ignatius
Red: St. Ed, Guerin, IC, DePaul, St. Joe
Blue: 5 Division, 1 C/O with White, 1 C/O with Green
White: 5 Division,1 C/O with Blue, 1 C/O with Red
Green: 4 Division, 2 C/O with Red, 1 C/O with Blue
Red: 4 Division, 2 C/O with Green, 1 C/O with White
Both De La Salle and Fenwick were in the Blue and it was a program killer...Head Coaches lost their jobs, enrollment dropped, and was not good for the league. Both programs are now on the rise and are better suited for the Green or White.
I hear you on Fenwick and DeLaSalle being up in the Blue way back when but it continually burdens the conference that they cannot and will not compete with the other 5 schools. Look Rice has been up and down over the years but they make it happen and have not asked to move down. Fenwick and DeLaSalle have held the league hostage over this issue for years and their enrollment is larger some of the schools is the Blue. It is the same thing with these schools they act like they are big time in athletics but want no part of the other schools in football
Holding them hostage??? The Blue does not want to be together because they feel like the conference is too tough and DLS or Fenwick should take one for the team? Montini is the team that should be the 6th team. Brother Rice has 300 more boys than DLS or Fenwick. DLS has 550 boys in the school, they are not blue worthy yet. Give Boehm some time and he'll build them into a winner.
Yes they have held the conference hostage when it comes to football...for like 20 years. Montini is the new kid on the block I give them a pass. Fenwick and De La Salle have threatened to leave the conference if forced to play in the top division. These are 2 cornerstone and original flagship members of the CCL who have stated they are willing to leave the conference for ALL sports if forced to play in the top football division. There were suggestions in the past to have both of them in the division but that didn't fly as well. the whole football division has been a pain in the neck for the CCL . You have 5 schools that are just so dominant no one wants to play them...and they quite frankley do not even want to play all of each other either.
sorry Catsattack, but this isn't a CCL problem...The entire state is trying to position into the best conference possible to have some type of football success. Everyone wants to be in the playoffs and unfortunately if you are low man in the Blue, you are not making the playoffs. Why is DLS even in the Green? because MCC bailed and went to the ESCC, DLS took one for the team and went to the green when they were competing in the White. St. Laurence is reaping the benefits of staying in the White and trust me Fenwick isn't cut out for the Green either. Fenwick is in for a tough road with playing two blues over the next couple of years. The CCL is in position right now, where the White, Red and new schools control everything. Too Bad for the Blue and Fenwick and DLS to have a say in anything.
I like Fenwick's bargaining stance: if you push us, we're heading to the ESCC.
Wonder what the ESCC crowd thinks of that?
This year they got Phillips and Bowen non-con. So, using this year as an example, at best, they beat Bowen and the 4 down programs this year: CoM, SP, SV and Marian of the Heights, getting them to 5-4 at best, hoping all the teams you lost to have 9 wins to get you the playoff points you need to get in.
5 wins, first round exit. No Prep Bowl.
Or they could say: we go round-robin up to the Blue for a year (w/ DLS, MCHS, etc) - combined w/ a lightened schedule, maybe pick up 5 wins.
Wonder what the ESCC crowd thinks of that?
This year they got Phillips and Bowen non-con. So, using this year as an example, at best, they beat Bowen and the 4 down programs this year: CoM, SP, SV and Marian of the Heights, getting them to 5-4 at best, hoping all the teams you lost to have 9 wins to get you the playoff points you need to get in.
5 wins, first round exit. No Prep Bowl.
Or they could say: we go round-robin up to the Blue for a year (w/ DLS, MCHS, etc) - combined w/ a lightened schedule, maybe pick up 5 wins.
I think it's a great fit for Fenwick. I think they fit better for football and obviously all the girls sports are locked in then. It just doesn't seem right not to see Fenwick in the Catholic league.