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What will the interest level be among coaches if Stans gets the axe?

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AshleySchaffer

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Im just curious, because I have talked with a couple of friends who have coached JUCO ball in Mississippi and know a lot of college coaches and they told me don't expect for any big name coaches to show much interest in our job.

What do you guys think the interest level will be for our basketball job? I know its not a great job but its not terrible. We should be able to attract a good head coach from a winning school. Im not in favor at all in hiring an assistant with ZERO head coaching experience.

Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart are my top two guys but I think both are less than likely of them being interested in our job are VERY, VERY slim
I like Kermit Davis and Tim Floyd but dont think they are the right fit at the current moment,

This whole basketball mess has me worried.

:inb4coach34: I know Stricklin will make a good hire, but I hope he doesnt let us down.
 
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AshleySchaffer

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Im just curious, because I have talked with a couple of friends who have coached JUCO ball in Mississippi and know a lot of college coaches and they told me don't expect for any big name coaches to show much interest in our job.

What do you guys think the interest level will be for our basketball job? I know its not a great job but its not terrible. We should be able to attract a good head coach from a winning school. Im not in favor at all in hiring an assistant with ZERO head coaching experience.

Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart are my top two guys but I think both are less than likely of them being interested in our job are VERY, VERY slim
I like Kermit Davis and Tim Floyd but dont think they are the right fit at the current moment,

This whole basketball mess has me worried.

:inb4coach34: I know Stricklin will make a good hire, but I hope he doesnt let us down.
 
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AshleySchaffer

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Im just curious, because I have talked with a couple of friends who have coached JUCO ball in Mississippi and know a lot of college coaches and they told me don't expect for any big name coaches to show much interest in our job.

What do you guys think the interest level will be for our basketball job? I know its not a great job but its not terrible. We should be able to attract a good head coach from a winning school. Im not in favor at all in hiring an assistant with ZERO head coaching experience.

Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart are my top two guys but I think both are less than likely of them being interested in our job are VERY, VERY slim
I like Kermit Davis and Tim Floyd but dont think they are the right fit at the current moment,

This whole basketball mess has me worried.

:inb4coach34: I know Stricklin will make a good hire, but I hope he doesnt let us down.
 
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patdog

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A lot of our fans like to think our job is a more attractive one than it is. I think the fact that our current coach almost left us for Clemson even though he has strong family ties to Starkville says a lot about where our place in the pecking order is. We'll be able to make a good hire, but it will be more in the Mullen/Studemann mold. A young up and coming coach, but not really a big name.
 
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shsdawg

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that's what we will get. Did it ever cross your mind that that might not be a good thing?
 
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fishwater99

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We have a new practice facility a pretty good recent History in the SEC, and plenty of High School talent in MS to recruit. I think we will have no problem finding the right coach.
 
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Original48

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Firing Cutcliffe was insane. Read below to gain a little better perspective on the difference between the two.

"In the time from 1997 to 2003, the Rebels played in six bowl games, tied with Arkansas for the most bowl appearances among SEC Western Division schools during that span.

Cutcliffe had four winning seasons in his first five seasons at Ole Miss, in 1999 (8–4), 2000 (7–5), 2001 (7–4) and 2002 (7–6), becoming the first Rebel mentor since Harry Mehre (1938–41) to post winning marks in his first five years. Cutcliffe also directed Ole Miss to four bowl appearances in his first five seasons, and is the only head coach in Ole Miss history to do so.

In 2003 Cutcliffe guided the Rebels to a 10–3 overall mark and a share of the SEC West title with eventual BCS National Champion LSU. Following their 31–28 victory over Oklahoma State in the Cotton Bowl Classic, the Rebels finished #13 in the final poll. It was Ole Miss' first New Year's bowl since the 1991 Gator Bowl against Michigan.

Despite his 44–29 record, five straight winning seasons, and guiding the team to its first 10 win season in over 30 years, Cutcliffe was fired by Ole Miss's Athletic Director Pete Boone in December 2004 after the team posted a disappointing 4–7 record and three consecutive losses to LSU."
 
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Coach34

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the guy coaching at Murray State makes about 300K....that should tell you all you need to know.

Also, coaches see the money flowing into the SEC with TV contracts and addition of teams- they want to be a part of that.

Only 3 SEC coaches make 2M or more- the rest are sprinkled between 1.8M- and 1.1M- we can hire a good coach. It may not be a big name- but Mullen wasnt a household word when he was hired either. 2 of our 3 best coaches in our history have been assistants that were promoted.

It's not about a name- it's abour finding the right personality and fit to our current administration's line of thinking. Young, disciplined, energetic, fiery....thats what we will be looking for- not their name
 
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patdog

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Even though I think Stricklin's a great AD, hiring any new coach is a risk. We're just as likely to hire one worse than the second half of Stans's career has been as to hire one better. And we could easily wind up spending several yearsnear the bottom of the SEC standings. Not saying we shouldn't make a change if Stans doesn't make the tournament, but thinking we're just going to hire a coach who's going to take us to multiple Sweet 16s is ridiculous.
 
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EmoryBellard

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Or, *maybe* I was implying that for every case one throws out of a mediocre coach being replaced by a worse one, there are just as many if not more cases of mediocre coaches being replaced by a better one.
 
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EmoryBellard

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And based on his body of work this far, you really think Stricklin would make an Orgeron-esque hire, if it came down to that? Really?
 
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engie

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and hired Mike Bianco.

At which point, they went from a perennial bottom 4 SEC baseball program, with the worst stadium in the west, with an average attendance of 1254/game... to a perennial top 20 program, with a stadium that is one of the 5 best in all of college baseball, with an average attendance of 6759/game last year, which is a HIGHER average attendance than any MSU has ever had in our history...

The wrong hire hurts, sure. The right hire alson changes everything for the better.
 
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shsdawg

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Srricklin has hired one major coach I think. He didn't hire Mullen. What makes you think we could do better?
 
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shsdawg

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at least half of coaching hires turn out to be average or worse. That is a mathematical fact. What exactly other than the money is going to make our job attractive to a good established coach or a young up and comer right now? Serious question.
 
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shsdawg

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boyo but that is a big part of how they are ultimatly judged isn't it? Each coaching search is unique.
 
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shsdawg

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that Moultrie and Sid leave we aren't exactly going to be rolling in returning players. Given the expectations we will be showing by firing our winningest all time coach that will make a lot of people look twice before jumping. You can say what you want about Stans but that is the way people outside the program will look at it for the most part. It will be a Cutcliff type situation. It will be a harder hire than you think, esp if we do it this year. This answered both lines in this thread.
 
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EmoryBellard

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that Moultrie and Sid leave we aren't exactly going to be rolling in
returning players. <span style="font-weight: bold;">True enough - and whose fault is that? In any event, talent can be reloaded quickly in basketball (yes, this is true for Stansbury too). </span>Given the expectations we will be showing by firing
our winningest all time coach that will make a lot of people look twice
before jumping. <span style="font-weight: bold;">If you polled the top 200 most talented college basketball coaches in America, and asked them if they were coach of an average SEC program & didn't make the sweet 16 in 14 years should they keep their job, 199 would say no. This is a non-issue. I want a confident coach, not an excuse-maker. </span>You can say what you want about Stans but that is the
way people outside the program will look at it for the most part. <span style="font-weight: bold;">See prior.</span> It
will be a Cutcliff type situation. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Are you aware Pete Boone is not at present our AD?</span> It will be a harder hire than you
think, esp if we do it this year. <span style="font-weight: bold;">I'm not suggesting it will be easy, but I think the quality of applicants and the ultimate hire will surprise some of those who think Miss State can't do better. We can.</span>
 
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patdog said:
Even though I think Stricklin's a great AD, hiring any new coach is a risk. We're just as likely to hire one worse than the second half of Stans's career has been as to hire one better. And we could easily wind up spending several yearsnear the bottom of the SEC standings. Not saying we shouldn't make a change if Stans doesn't make the tournament, but thinking we're just going to hire a coach who's going to take us to multiple Sweet 16s is ridiculous.
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new doesn't automatically mean better. better isn't the term until he's proven himselfwith our team specifically...not with Murray State, etc. but in the SECas the MSU head coach. i think Anthony Grant is a great coach, but he hasn't proved anything at all at Bama in the first 3 years he's been there(with that budget)...nothing. too many people on here act like things will instantly be better without Stans. i'd bet anyonea big mac that isn't the case.
 
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OMlawdog

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As not a top 3 conference job? ACC or Big East would have to be considered the top two conferences, and I think the Big 10 is third, but with Indiana making a comeback, the Big 10 can compete with any basketball tradition/money/fan support as MSU, Ohio State, and Indiana. That doesn't count Michigan, Illinois, and Purdue all of whom have great tradition/fan support/money.

We all know the ACC has Duke/UNC but there has been a huge dropoff the last few years with NCSU, Maryland, Ga Tech and several other traditional powers struggling.

The Big East just has so many damn teams, but after the merger with the ACC what will it look like?

Right now the SEC has Kentucky and Florida. And Florida has only made the NCAA tourney twice in the last four years, though they seem to be back to playing the ball Donovan likes. No reason for them to be mediocre.

Im not saying MSU can't get a great coach, Im sure they could, but Im just wondering how the coaching jobs are viewed in the coaching community.
 
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patdog said:
A lot of our fans like to think our job is a more attractive one than it is. I think the fact that our current coach almost left us for Clemson even though he has strong family ties to Starkville says a lot about where our place in the pecking order is. We'll be able to make a good hire, but it will be more in the Mullen/Studemann mold. A young up and coming coach, but not really a big name.
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most wins in the SEC in the last 15 years. We can pay very well and we are in the Elite conference for athletics. We have top tier facilities when you throw in the new practice gym. We are also in a talent rich Mississippi. We can and will have to get a top-notch coach. The hire has to be better than Cuonzo Martin, Anthony Grant, Mike Anderson, Frank Heath. That is if we want to stay in the top 4 in the SEC. MSU doesn't have the luxury of thinking it can be "poe ol Miss State" anymore. The SEC and ESPN won't stand for it anymore. Stop thinking its 1980 and wake up and realize MSU IS A TOP 25 JOB!!!
 
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Original48

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Cutcliffe was fired after 6 years. Stansbury is in his 14th season. Cutcliffe won in 5 of 6 seasons..making the post season five times. Looks like Stansbury will make the post season 2 out of the last 7 years with one of those due to a tourney win. Firing Cutcliffe one year removed from a 10-3 season was rediculous. That's why nobody will touch that job. Now..had Cutcliffe held on for 7 more years and only made the post season twice while missing the last three..well..then you would have Stansbury.
 
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Almost all of the recent coaches that have been hired were mid-major coaches of teams that made a run in the tourney. Dennis Felton and Darrin Horn-Western Kentucky; Mark Fox-Nevada; Bruce Pearl-UW Milwaukee; John Pelphrey-South Alabama; Stan Heath-Kent State; Kevin Stallings-Illinois State; Tony Barbee-UTEP; Cuanzo Martin-Missouri State; Anthony Grant-VCU. In fact the only two coaches hired I can think of in the last several years that were previously head coaches at BCS schools (other than Kentucky, which operates on a different stratosphere) were Trent Johnson, who was at Stanford and Mike Anderson, who was at Missouri. When an ACC or Big East school hires a coach, more often than not they hire coaches from BCS schools. In the SEC, we go the mid-major route because the conference is not nearly as prestigious and is a football conference.
 
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bendog

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shsdawg said:
at least half of coaching hires turn out to be average or worse. That is a mathematical fact. What exactly other than the money is going to make our job attractive to a good established coach or a young up and comer right now? Serious question.
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patdog

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We were 3rd in Stans tenure a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure we've slipped to 4th or 5th. Our current coach almost left us for Clemson even though he has strong family ties to Starkville. That should give you a clue that our job is at best equal to Clemson if not a little below it. MSU is more of a top 40 basketball job than a top 25 job. And very few schools in that 25-40 range are going to be able to hire a big name coach. You do realize there's a difference between the "poe ol Miss State" attitude and being realistic as to what we really are, don't you? Yes, it's a good job. But it's no better than most other SEC jobs.
 
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Original48

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And you're right. I should not have made such a broad generalization by saying "anybody would be a better coach." I should have been more specific. Anybody who has coached Upward basketball and introduced more than just a high ball screen to his squad would be a better coach.
 
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hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work as hard...

2008 8th Seed ...23-10 (12-4) ...loses clemson; so-ill; miami(oh); miami(fl); so Al; ark; ut; ole miss; vandy; georgia -SECT; (1) Memphis
2009 13th Seed ...23-13 (9-7) ...loses wsu; tex tech; cin; san diego; lsu; ole miss; lsu; auburn; bama; ut; auburn; (4) Washington ...won SECT
2010 NIT 24-12 (9-7) ...loses rider; richmond; west kentucky; bama; ark; vandy; florida; kent; auburn; ut; kent; north carolina
2011 Nothing 17-14 (9-7) ...loses fl atl; e ut state; va tech; wsu; hawaii; saint marys; bama; georgia; vandy; bama; auburn; kentucky; lsu; vandy
2012 ...jury still out 19-9 (6-7)

basically we have had 1 season the last 5 where we got in without winning the SEC T
...we all thought we had a better team this year than last, we will finish worst in the SEC, this year


it takes four years to get a program to what you like if you change systems ...so the next coach has to make 1 tourney in the next 5 years, that should be that good, if we hire a quality coach ...we have a lot of things going for us
 
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