WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH.....
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No one believes that any Big East team is a lock for a Final Four unlike past years when it was pretty much a given that at least 2 schools would be in the Elite 8 or 3 to 4 teams would make the Sweet 16. It's not the best conference by a long way unlike past years. It's done very well and will survive but is not a Power 5 league by any stretch of imagination.
The parity in this particular season is the best I've ever seen so it will be a complete crapshoot for this years NCAA tournament. There are (to me) at least 75+ teams capable of making the handful of non automatic bids right now, which is realistically double of what we normally see. The number of 13-6 or 14-6 teams right now is practically impossible to determine who would get an at large bid vs another comparable team. This time next month will really tell a lot about the Big East and a lot of other conferences.
The parity in this particular season is the best I've ever seen so it will be a complete crapshoot for this years NCAA tournament. There are (to me) at least 75+ teams capable of making the handful of non automatic bids right now, which is realistically double of what we normally see. The number of 13-6 or 14-6 teams right now is practically impossible to determine who would get an at large bid vs another comparable team. This time next month will really tell a lot about the Big East and a lot of other conferences.
It's one of the best 3-4 conferences IMO-------but this is an unusual year in that you can look at about 20 teams and say they have a shot at the Final 4.
Big 12 IMO is the best league-----ACC , Big Ten and Big East are 2,3,4 in some order.
I would be surprised if Iowa or Indiana got to the Elite 8-----not so Md or Mich St.
Big 12 IMO is the best league-----ACC , Big Ten and Big East are 2,3,4 in some order.
I would be surprised if Iowa or Indiana got to the Elite 8-----not so Md or Mich St.
I said at the time, and continue to feel the same way, that in about a decade, the BE will be marginalized and on the fringe of major college sports. 3 years is not long enough. Over time there will simply be too much money in the power conferences to be on a level playing field. There will always be good teams from non power 5 conferences in college basketball. There are too many teams/conferences/good players for this not to be the case. But the BE eventually over time will not be considered a top conference. Just my opinion.
And btw when was the last time a bball only school won the Nat'l Championship?
40 or 50 years ago it would not have been a big deal to see a small private school win the NC (or NIT back in the day). Nowadays it will be, and it hasn't happened in a long time. The divide between the football and non football schools will continue to grow. It has happened already, the dichotomy will increase given time.
Be happy we have a seat at the table. Frankly that's the only thing we've got to be happy about right now.
And btw when was the last time a bball only school won the Nat'l Championship?
40 or 50 years ago it would not have been a big deal to see a small private school win the NC (or NIT back in the day). Nowadays it will be, and it hasn't happened in a long time. The divide between the football and non football schools will continue to grow. It has happened already, the dichotomy will increase given time.
Be happy we have a seat at the table. Frankly that's the only thing we've got to be happy about right now.
I agree with Patrick
this decline was never happening overnight, good lord some of the same players are there from when RU was in the Big East. Its a gradual decline that will happen and you wont see it right away. What you do see is less coverage of the Big East...quite frankly if the old Big East had 3 schools in the top 10, it would be talked up to the hilt. Being on Fox rather than ESPN hurts the conference. Hate ESPN all you want but that's the channel everyone tunes into. The BE tourney attendance is going through a gradual decline.
To me I see it being very top heavy and then a big chunk of middle. They will end with 4 or 5 in the tourney..most likely Butler but they are falling off a bit and then possibly but no guarantee of one of a grouping of Creig/SHU/Gtown/Marq that can distinguish themselves
this decline was never happening overnight, good lord some of the same players are there from when RU was in the Big East. Its a gradual decline that will happen and you wont see it right away. What you do see is less coverage of the Big East...quite frankly if the old Big East had 3 schools in the top 10, it would be talked up to the hilt. Being on Fox rather than ESPN hurts the conference. Hate ESPN all you want but that's the channel everyone tunes into. The BE tourney attendance is going through a gradual decline.
To me I see it being very top heavy and then a big chunk of middle. They will end with 4 or 5 in the tourney..most likely Butler but they are falling off a bit and then possibly but no guarantee of one of a grouping of Creig/SHU/Gtown/Marq that can distinguish themselves
it is all inflated--they are beating teams in their league, like Nova did last year, and what happened.
the league has not done well where people care--in the NCAAs, other than Xavier. when they reached the second round or S16, it was largely due to being overseeded.
GTown needs to be flag bearer--not happened since league split apart. They got overseeded at 4 and got crushed
they are a step up from A-10, but honestly--the AAC is same level as Big East...
the league has not done well where people care--in the NCAAs, other than Xavier. when they reached the second round or S16, it was largely due to being overseeded.
GTown needs to be flag bearer--not happened since league split apart. They got overseeded at 4 and got crushed
they are a step up from A-10, but honestly--the AAC is same level as Big East...
The seniors on those teams were recruited when the old Big East still existed, the juniors too (though the rumors of the split were starting). Let's see what happens with the next classes who were recruited to not get to play Cuse, Pitt, ND, et al.
Personally I don't see any Pac 12 team going past Round of 16.
Then again I could say that about the BE too----but both leagues IMO will get 5-6 in depending on how the rest of the year and the Conference Tournaments shake out.
The it becomes about the draw you get and a little bit of luck.
Then again I could say that about the BE too----but both leagues IMO will get 5-6 in depending on how the rest of the year and the Conference Tournaments shake out.
The it becomes about the draw you get and a little bit of luck.
This is what will ultimately happen.
UConn won the national championship from the American Conference, but that was the first year of the new name for the former Big East conference, and it was technically still a BCS conference.
Prior to that, the last time a non-BCS (P5 conference plus old BE football schools) team won the national championship was more than 25 years ago when UNLV won the 1990 championship. And prior to that was Villanova in 1985, more than 30 years ago. Since that time, the only other non-BCS schools to even play for the championship have been Georgetown (1985), Seton Hall (1989), Utah (1998), Memphis (2008), and Butler (2010 and 2011). So of the 62 schools that made the championship game since 1985, only 8 have been non-BCS schools. And of the 32 schools that have made the championship game since 2000, only 3 have been non-BCS schools.
I know you aren't arguing but UNLV and UConn are still large state schools.Small catholic private schools are an entirely different animal. It was just 3 years ago that they were part of the (mostly) undisputed best bball conference in the country. Now here we are a short time later discussing whether or not the BE even belongs in that group. That alone is HUGE paradigm shift in just 2.5 years. Lets revisit this discussion a few years down the road.
And I haven't even mentioned the fact that simply not many people care about those schools. They are small, parochial, don't pump out much alumni, and don't garner the local non alumni interest quite as much as the larger state schools.
Is DC ripe with Georgetown fans?? I don't think so. Chicago with DePaul fans? Indianopolis with Butler fans? I'm sure there are some but these aren't the sort of schools that generate casual interest.
Who knows I could be totally off.
And I haven't even mentioned the fact that simply not many people care about those schools. They are small, parochial, don't pump out much alumni, and don't garner the local non alumni interest quite as much as the larger state schools.
Is DC ripe with Georgetown fans?? I don't think so. Chicago with DePaul fans? Indianopolis with Butler fans? I'm sure there are some but these aren't the sort of schools that generate casual interest.
Who knows I could be totally off.
Duke isn't Catholic but they're small and private.
Butler has been in 2 Finals recently----Nova made the Final 4 in the last 5 years.
Schools like Creighton , Nova , PC, Marquette and Xavier have tremendous fan bases and consistently fill their Arena .
You can toss Dayton in there from the A-10 .
Butler has been in 2 Finals recently----Nova made the Final 4 in the last 5 years.
Schools like Creighton , Nova , PC, Marquette and Xavier have tremendous fan bases and consistently fill their Arena .
You can toss Dayton in there from the A-10 .
Duke has been in a P5 conference forever.
And yes those schools have nice regional parochial (and I don't mean religious ) fan bases. The fans that care about them are the ones that show up in the arena. After that not much anyone else.
BE is fine, but will likely never achieve the same success of it's glorious past. But, I ask you, is there any team consistently more over-rated that the Nova? The get embarrassed in last year's tournament as a No. 1 seed and this year, despite getting spanked by the two only 2 top-10 teams they played out of conference, they were somehow ranked No. 4 until their recent home loss to Providence. And, even after that loss they are No. 6!
I think there is something to be said for Eastern schools where basketball is king, and where they play other local schools.
I think the BE will be fine. Although I wasn't on this board then, I was definitely one that thought it would decline dramatically and become similar to the Atlantic 10 at best..but I overlooked the fact that it would take time to see the effects of the changes too. Right now they are soaring though
It might never be what it once was but it seems like high ranked recruits are still very much interested in Nova, Georgetown, St. John's, and even Seton Hall is getting a lot of love from the local talent. But in a few years we'll probably have a better feel for how relevant the BE will be long term
It might never be what it once was but it seems like high ranked recruits are still very much interested in Nova, Georgetown, St. John's, and even Seton Hall is getting a lot of love from the local talent. But in a few years we'll probably have a better feel for how relevant the BE will be long term
2nd ranked Conference RPI. 2nd ranked projected NCAA bids. Strongest conference top to bottom. May be hurt by injuries to Arizona and now Cal losing its point guard but so far their best conference year in years. Heard same arguments last year and the last team in, UCLA, went to the Sweet 16.
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Let's see since the split we were told how much we needed the so called big time programs. Since then we are going to be going to our third straight March madness. Ranked number ten in the country and just announced plans for a thirty eight million dollar practice facility. We were not able to achieve any of this when in the so called old Big East. In the mean time schools like Pitt and Syracuse are no way near the powers they once were. Almost seems like they needed us more then we needed them.
Not falling for this in march madness again this year. I agree, and think Nova is way over rated.
Getting kind of used to this kind of talk. First we were told when it was the c7 they would never get the garden. Then we were told either the Acc or Big Ten would take the garden away. Now being told the success of the conference won't last. I personally believe it will get only stronger as two teams that were being counted on (Georgetown and Marquette) have been a little down of late.
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I have said before that the big east would eventually fall by the way side, and still believe so....but, my theory is that it would be over the course of decades.....the reason for this would be that, as time goes on, the basketball/football conferences would have more influence in sports, keeping them down...
st Johns is a team that the big east would need to stay relevant in the long run....they are sputtering right now, but can come back with good leadership
anyway, I think the big east slowly falls into atlantic 10 status.