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What's do we have to do this season where you keep Lebby?

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Four to five wins give me enough hope to invest in our football program. It's gonna be tough, no matter what, with the way College sports are set up now.

I almost feel sorry for anyone who coaches in our conference.
 
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dawgstudent said:
I'm of the opinion outside of a complete disaster (i.e. 1-11, 2-10) - he at least gets year 3.

Discuss. Could be as simple as our record or some caveats thrown in. This topic is your oyster.
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Win the OOC games and even if he does not, keep him. Just field a team.
 
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I think we have to keep him if he wins 3 or more games.

I would not be opposed to keeping him after a 3-9 season if we are competitive in most of the SEC games.

Our defense has to improve to Top 75-80 in the country. They can be bad again just not Missouri baseball bad like 2024.
 
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dawgstudent said:
I'm of the opinion outside of a complete disaster (i.e. 1-11, 2-10) - he at least gets year 3.

Discuss. Could be as simple as our record or some caveats thrown in. This topic is your oyster.
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Win at least 3 games. It sucks, but good luck hiring a decent coach if you're known as school that doesn't give coaches some time. If you fire Lebby this season, you'll have gone through 3 of the last 4 coaches in a period of 5 years.

You give him a third season and if doesn't make a bowl game, you cut him loose and start the process over again.

Regardless of what happens with Lebby this year or next, you're going to have over-pay to hire the next coach.
 
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dawgstudent said:
I'm of the opinion outside of a complete disaster (i.e. 1-11, 2-10) - he at least gets year 3.

Discuss. Could be as simple as our record or some caveats thrown in. This topic is your oyster.
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Short of losing every game you can't fire him after two years, whether you want to or not. We fired his predecessor after one. We are already on VERY thin ice with the coaching profession. Do that and the next hire will make Rick Ray look like John Wooden.
 
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Howiefeltersnstch said:
He ain't getting fired unless we go Ofer. I would be fairly pleased with four wins. Pleased with 5. Ecstatic with 6. Disappointed but not surprised with 3 also
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I'm in no way calling you out because that's a reasonable post that I think most agree with. That said, I can personally never be pleased with anything under 6. I can recognize trending in a better direction as a positive but if we lose twice as much as we win I will not enjoy.
 
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TheBannerM said:
Win at least 3 games. It sucks, but good luck hiring a decent coach if you're known as school that doesn't give coaches some time. If you fire Lebby this season, you'll have gone through 3 of the last 4 coaches in a period of 5 years.

You give him a third season and if doesn't make a bowl game, you cut him loose and start the process over again.

Regardless of what happens with Lebby this year or next, you're going to have over-pay to hire the next coach.
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I think this is probably right. If he wins three games and looks like complete *** in the other 9, he probably will have shown that he should be fired, but I still don't think you fire him after two years. If he wins 5 games this year and generally looks competitive in most SEC games, I will actually believe he will turn out to be pretty good. I'm not expecting that, but maybe he actually learned from last year.
 
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L4Dawg said:
We are already on VERY thin ice with the coaching profession.
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Which coaches told you this? Or is this just your assumption because you didn't like our previous hires?

I doubt it's true either way. My guess is that if you offer 99.9% of coaches in America the right salary, they will gladly pack their bags and move to Oktoc Road. They know what happened to Mike Leach, and why we promoted Arnett, and they will totally understand that if Lebby doesn't win more than 2 games, he's not doing enough.

Pay them, and they will come. Coaches with no affiliation don't hold grudges against random schools for past decisions. They take jobs based on (a) money; and (b) potential. I doubt there is one coach out there that would say no solely because we fired Jeff Lebby. Well, maybe Art Briles.
 
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dawgstudent said:
I'm of the opinion outside of a complete disaster (i.e. 1-11, 2-10) - he at least gets year 3.

Discuss. Could be as simple as our record or some caveats thrown in. This topic is your oyster.
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4 wins and be competitive in others, or I'm disappointed. We won't fire him at 3 wins but the seat will be on the warm side going into next year.
 
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We're gonna have to outbid all those other schools looking to poach him. I don't see him getting fired unless he wins only 2. But maybe we have some moneybags donors now that I'm unaware of so cash isn't an issue.
 
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Be competitive. Line up properly; the defensive staff should have been fired after that abominable performance against Florida. We got steamrolled way too much lthe last two years to the point where it looked like teams were going 11 against 1, with Isaac Smith as our lone defender. Put up a ******* fight this year.
 
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I'd say fire him if he doesn't have a winning record. Because I don't think he has the experience to coach at this level (yet) and the IT factor to rally a beat down fan base.

With that said, State won't fire him. Because as was said, we can't. Since our football HC position has been a revolving door for years now. State football needs some stability. State will maintain that stability as he learns.
 
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We don’t have to win a ton more, but a great sign would be if we were in the game later and later into the game. Also any kind of pass rush.
 
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OopsICroomedmypants said:
It would be more interesting to ask what would it take for him to get fired. I actually think he’s a decent coach with a good offensive scheme. Wish he could have coached for MSU in the 80’s before NIL when we just paid players a hundred bucks for crossing the goal line.
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This is the real question. This is such a low point that any movement has to be upward. It would be almost impossible to stay this bad.
 
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patdog said:
Bare minimum 4 wins & real signs of improvement. Really 5 wins. You simply cannot afford to give a 3rd year to a coach who goes 2-10, 3-9 in this era. You’ll destroy your program.
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Yep. We have to at least trend correctly next year. 1 year free pass + 1 year obvious and significant improvement and Lebby shows he's at least competent. 2 years of crap and you can make a final call. Program development and patient buy-in isn't a thing any longer in the era of purchased rosters and high turnover. The HC must be able to produce in that environment.
 
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I expect 4 wins, if all the stars align maybe 5.

if he goes 2-10 again you have to pull the plug right now. 3 wins would be awful showing no progress but he would be given another year most likely.
 
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We are playing in football that is now NFL free agency with no cap. It's about evaluating and coaching up talent. He's in over his head, didn't fire the DC last year when everyone on earth knew it had to be done. We were not competitive in a single SEC game based on defensive gameplay and adjustments. He has a offensive scheme so does every decent OC in the country. Which goes back to him being a OC getting paid HC money. He's not on the sideline managaning the game, he's worried about showtime. Give me a experienced HC willing to fire the coordinator if he's 💩. We have to who's significant improvement I say 4-5 wins and looking like we are at least a D2 school against SEC competition (didn't in most SEC games last year).
 
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Which coaches told you this? Or is this just your assumption because you didn't like our previous hires?

I doubt it's true either way. My guess is that if you offer 99.9% of coaches in America the right salary, they will gladly pack their bags and move to Oktoc Road. They know what happened to Mike Leach, and why we promoted Arnett, and they will totally understand that if Lebby doesn't win more than 2 games, he's not doing enough.

Pay them, and they will come. Coaches with no affiliation don't hold grudges against random schools for past decisions. They take jobs based on (a) money; and (b) potential. I doubt there is one coach out there that would say no solely because we fired Jeff Lebby. Well, maybe Art Briles.
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I forgot one. We fired Morehead after two years. That’s three out of our last four coaches we have fired in two years or less. The other one died. We have a reputation for a quick trigger at a place that can’t be seen that way. Why in the heck do you think we had to hire Lebby? We are headed down the road to disaster if we keep it up. No coach with future prospects will touch us if we keep this up. You have to give a man a chance.
 
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Like patdog said above, there's got to be improvement across the board. I'd like to see us double the win total from last year which would be 4 wins. I realize anything above that would be lagniappe and heck getting that 4th win could be lagniappe, but I certainly have no problems with Lebby over-exceeding expectations. He's got to be able to pull an upset somewhere. Win a game that nobody expects you to win, including the bookies. For all intensive purposes Lebby can have an overall losing record and miss a bowl game, but still exceed expectations. Basically what he needs to do is maintain an upward trajectory.
 
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Darryl Steight said:
Which coaches told you this? Or is this just your assumption because you didn't like our previous hires?

I doubt it's true either way. My guess is that if you offer 99.9% of coaches in America the right salary, they will gladly pack their bags and move to Oktoc Road. They know what happened to Mike Leach, and why we promoted Arnett, and they will totally understand that if Lebby doesn't win more than 2 games, he's not doing enough.

Pay them, and they will come. Coaches with no affiliation don't hold grudges against random schools for past decisions. They take jobs based on (a) money; and (b) potential. I doubt there is one coach out there that would say no solely because we fired Jeff Lebby. Well, maybe Art Briles.
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The problem is we've never really opened up the check book to hire a football coach. We've cheaped-out on multiple hires - Croom, Mullen, Moorhead, Arnett, Lebby. All those guys came in with bottom of the league type salaries.

Put it this way, if we hired the baseball coach like we typically hire football coaches, say hello to Will Coggin.
 
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