When Andy Katz is hating on Rick Stansbury - you know something is up...
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considering this line: "Stansbury has had a tremendous run at Mississippi State, especially given the limitations of the school."
Obviously Katz doesn't understand that MSU is a premiere basketball school and should be top 16 every year.
Obviously Katz doesn't understand that MSU is a premiere basketball school and should be top 16 every year.
...now that I've finally decided to want Stans gone.
As I've postedearlier this weekhere and todayon tigerdroppings, we're going on 6 seasons now with only one legitimate NCAA team, despite having a lot of good players, and even that season we had to face a #1 seed in the 2nd round due to early OOC losses to bad teams.
Player defections lead to "starting over" every season, which lead to early OOC losses to bad teams. And the one year we had all 5 starters back (2009-10), we STILL had early OOC losses and too many losses in a mediocre SEC schedule to make the NCAA's.No Sweet Sixteens doesn't bother me, but everything else does.
However, as far as Sidney's addition to Ravern's tweet--I am still fully supportive of our players. In fact, I want something BETTER for them--a new coach with floor/practice coaching skills. </p>
As I've postedearlier this weekhere and todayon tigerdroppings, we're going on 6 seasons now with only one legitimate NCAA team, despite having a lot of good players, and even that season we had to face a #1 seed in the 2nd round due to early OOC losses to bad teams.
Player defections lead to "starting over" every season, which lead to early OOC losses to bad teams. And the one year we had all 5 starters back (2009-10), we STILL had early OOC losses and too many losses in a mediocre SEC schedule to make the NCAA's.No Sweet Sixteens doesn't bother me, but everything else does.
However, as far as Sidney's addition to Ravern's tweet--I am still fully supportive of our players. In fact, I want something BETTER for them--a new coach with floor/practice coaching skills. </p>
Seriously. I hate how we discount our potential in basketball simply bc we are MSU. The discrepancy in facilities and funding isn't nearly as bad in basketball as it is in football. It is by far the easiest of the Big 3 to compete in simply due to roster sizes and only having 5 guys on the floor at once. Just recruit 2 impact guys and supplement with role players that pull the same direction and you can compete. If that's not true, how else can you explain the success of many mid-major programs? As far as I'm concerned, our only limitation is the crop of coddled AAU morons we recruit from that aren't taught anything about the game of basketball and the coaching staff that refuses to change that once they are on campus.
" If Johnson was out of line for tweeting critical comments, then so was Sidney. The double-standard here lessens Stansbury’s credibility with the fan base, the rest of his colleagues in the league- Andy Katz
"Or to have suspended Renardo and had to explain how a guy suspended 3 times in one season was still on the team?" - Xenomorph
" we're going on 6 seasons now with only one legitimate NCAA team, despite having a lot of good players, and even that season we had to face a #1 seed in the 2nd round due to early OOC losses to bad teams."- MedDawg
"Player defections lead to "starting over" every season, which lead to early OOC losses to bad teams. And the one year we had all 5 starters back (2009-10), we STILL had early OOC losses and too many losses in a mediocre SEC schedule to make the NCAA's."- MedDawg
"Or to have suspended Renardo and had to explain how a guy suspended 3 times in one season was still on the team?" - Xenomorph
" we're going on 6 seasons now with only one legitimate NCAA team, despite having a lot of good players, and even that season we had to face a #1 seed in the 2nd round due to early OOC losses to bad teams."- MedDawg
"Player defections lead to "starting over" every season, which lead to early OOC losses to bad teams. And the one year we had all 5 starters back (2009-10), we STILL had early OOC losses and too many losses in a mediocre SEC schedule to make the NCAA's."- MedDawg
I actually think that is a big difference. Fans on here and other places have stayed on Sidney's butt from day one and he responded. I am not one to try and justify either tweet but Ravern should have known better and I would have wondered what you would have done had a player of yours done the same. I realize most Junior High players didn't tweet when you were coaching but no coach is going to let any player do that. Sidney has grown up a lot as the season has progressed and while he is still learning, it looks like he is maturing. If Stans had not suspended Ravern it would have been atrocious. Nobody was critical of Sidney when he lit up Ole Miss and yet every move the kid makes is under a microscope. Stansbury told players not to tweet. That is his decision and he has to live with it but I actually thought MSU ran their offense a lot better Saturday without Ravern and while he has unlimited offensive potential, he still does't understand what a good shot is. Even Benock can figure that one out. You and Iboth know Stansbury is not going anywhere this year and no matter how much you and your enterouge want it to happen, it isn't going to happen. And whether you try and distort the facts and say we only have had one NCAA tourney team in the last 6 years as opposed to the truth, it still remains we have been to a post season event every year.I am as disappointed as anyone else but if we should win the SEC tourney, you'll still be bitching. I remember how you bragged on Pelphrey and Trent Johnson and funny how you nowseem to give them a free ride along with Andy Kennedy who we have owned. I would love to sit down with you one day with our basketball staff and see how much you really understand about coaching and handling players.I would suspect you would find it much different than handling 12 to 14 year olds.
Dawgbreeze said:
my response:
1. Sidney said the same thing Ray-vern did and then added more to it. His tweet was worse than what Ray-vern did- yet no suspension.
2. I didnt have problems like this very often because my players felt like they could always talk to me. And my coaching ability was rarely questioned. Unfortunately in HS, you dont get to recruit the talent you want.
3. There is no distortion of facts- come March, we will have had only 1 team in the last 6 that was a legit NCAA team. And only 2 NCAA teams in the last 6. Thats unacceptable.
4. 70-71% of BCS schools make postseason every year. Are we supposed to be ecstatic we have only been in the bottom 29% 1 time the last 6 years?
5. Trent Johnson has 1 SEC title in 3 seasons. Stands has 1 SEC title in 13 years. Enough said. Andy Kennedy has 2 West titles as head coach. Stands has 2 in that time as well. Kennedy and Stands both need to produce more than they are producing, but Kennedy does coach at the worst basketball school in the SEC.
6. We know Stands is most probably not going to be fired in March, but we are rallying the troops so that he damn sure will be after next season's impending disaster
1. Sidney criticized fans not the coaching staff
2. Jr. High players cannot afford to ridicule anybody
3. 2 out of the last 6 years is not what anybody wants but is it reason for firing someone?
4. You are incorrect, 70 % do not make it to postseason every year in football or basketball and what the hell does BCS have to do with basketball?
5. Trent Johnson won the SEC his first year with Brady's players and has been pitiful since then. By the way, Stans beat Johson in the SEC tourney and won it beating Pearl and his high priced talent.Your dream coach Pelphrey has sucked and he coaches at one of the premierbasketball schools with a fantastic arena and practice facilty.You alsoconveniently leave out how many times we have won the SEC tourney but I guess that doesn't matter.
6. No, you are rallying your troops on distorted information and it won't matter if Stans goes to the the Final Four. You will still be badmouthing him no matter what he does. Fans have the right to be diasappointed this year but the same fans who were praising Stans for signing Sidney are now badmouthing a Freshman who clearly has a big upside.
7. You continuously say how weak the SEC is in basketball but fail to realize it is not the only weak conference and the ACC awful this year but nobody has said Roy Williams has forgotten how to coach. If the SEC is so weak, then why can't Trent Johnson, Pelphrey, and any other flavor of the month you try and crown as the next great coach succeed and win it going away.
8. Your objectivity is non existent. Any fan who reads these boards knows it and we all know it won't change. Funny how your posture is always it is the coaches fault and never any players. You switch back and forth depending on what sport it is. I, like other fans will be the first to tell you if we fall on our face this year and then again next year, it will probably be time to change but all your ranting and predictable posts never change. You will never admit you could be wrong about anything and that my friend is a behavioral pattern that screams of mental illness and obsession. I wish that you stilled coach so I could come in and critique you on a National message board but I guess that doesn't happen much to co condom salesmen.
2. Jr. High players cannot afford to ridicule anybody
3. 2 out of the last 6 years is not what anybody wants but is it reason for firing someone?
4. You are incorrect, 70 % do not make it to postseason every year in football or basketball and what the hell does BCS have to do with basketball?
5. Trent Johnson won the SEC his first year with Brady's players and has been pitiful since then. By the way, Stans beat Johson in the SEC tourney and won it beating Pearl and his high priced talent.Your dream coach Pelphrey has sucked and he coaches at one of the premierbasketball schools with a fantastic arena and practice facilty.You alsoconveniently leave out how many times we have won the SEC tourney but I guess that doesn't matter.
6. No, you are rallying your troops on distorted information and it won't matter if Stans goes to the the Final Four. You will still be badmouthing him no matter what he does. Fans have the right to be diasappointed this year but the same fans who were praising Stans for signing Sidney are now badmouthing a Freshman who clearly has a big upside.
7. You continuously say how weak the SEC is in basketball but fail to realize it is not the only weak conference and the ACC awful this year but nobody has said Roy Williams has forgotten how to coach. If the SEC is so weak, then why can't Trent Johnson, Pelphrey, and any other flavor of the month you try and crown as the next great coach succeed and win it going away.
8. Your objectivity is non existent. Any fan who reads these boards knows it and we all know it won't change. Funny how your posture is always it is the coaches fault and never any players. You switch back and forth depending on what sport it is. I, like other fans will be the first to tell you if we fall on our face this year and then again next year, it will probably be time to change but all your ranting and predictable posts never change. You will never admit you could be wrong about anything and that my friend is a behavioral pattern that screams of mental illness and obsession. I wish that you stilled coach so I could come in and critique you on a National message board but I guess that doesn't happen much to co condom salesmen.
We now know that Bury WILL be fired at season's end. I can't think of the last time the Breeze was right about well....anything.Dawgbreeze said:
I think I was correct on Moultrie and also Bost coming back. Who cares. This is just another rant by Coach which conveniently leaves out all the positives. God forbid anything be posted on here that is positive. Stansbury has 6 NCAA tourney appearances and we had a total of 7 in the 86 years prior to that. Is he perfect, no he is not, but I would suggest he has given MSU fans more to cheer about in his 14 years than any other coach in the school's history over time. He deserves an off year. Coach has been trying to run him off for a decade and some of you have swallowed his BS hook, line, and sinker. Now, ya'll go draw up plays for you to run and then tell us how much you know, which last I checked has been proven that neither of you have ever coached on a college level.
I'm not saying our attendance figures are perfect, but its not unusual to see Alabama claim 12k at a non conference game even though no one is there (this example is according to espn). Based on watching on tv, I doubt we are in the bottom five. This year, as dismal as it was, we probably had more than alabama, lsu, auburn, usc, and ole miss at worst.
1. What were you right about on Bost? I dont know of anybody that didnt think he would get suspended a few games then allowed back
2. Stansbury has 6 NCAA's- so what? Williams had 3 and we only had 1 before he became head coach. By your reasoning- the next coach should really be successful
3. He deserves an off year? What do you call 2006, 2007, and 2010? Those were off years too. Had he not played Augustus in the SEC Tourney like I had been saying he should, 2009 would have been an off year too. But he played Augustus, and he got that exciting 14 seed
4. No, I have not been trying to run him off for a decade. I've said for a decade he isnt a real good coach. His strength is in recruiting. But what do you do when The Recruiter sux at recruiting or cant keep the recruits? You send his *** packing.
Why let him stick around and screw up another recruiting class? Go ahead and place bets on which of the incoming Freshmen transfers first.
2. Stansbury has 6 NCAA's- so what? Williams had 3 and we only had 1 before he became head coach. By your reasoning- the next coach should really be successful
3. He deserves an off year? What do you call 2006, 2007, and 2010? Those were off years too. Had he not played Augustus in the SEC Tourney like I had been saying he should, 2009 would have been an off year too. But he played Augustus, and he got that exciting 14 seed
4. No, I have not been trying to run him off for a decade. I've said for a decade he isnt a real good coach. His strength is in recruiting. But what do you do when The Recruiter sux at recruiting or cant keep the recruits? You send his *** packing.
Why let him stick around and screw up another recruiting class? Go ahead and place bets on which of the incoming Freshmen transfers first.
All this coming off an SEC road win without our leading scorer. Everyone has realized that it might be time for Stansbury to go, but he's going to finish this year and in all likelihood get one more. It's just a bunch of tired rubbish at this point.
He suspended Ravern and banned twitter. We won the game without our leading scorer. In spite of how absolutely terrible this season has been, yet again, Stansbury is winning SEC games. We are now 4-4 with wins over Florida and at Ole Miss. 2 losses to Bama (best team in the SEC) and losses at Georgia and to a Vanderbilt team that is ranked (in which the game was hotly contested). EVEN IN STANSBURY'S WORST NIGHTMARE OF A SEASON, THE MAN IS STILL WINNING SEC GAMES.
He suspended Ravern and banned twitter. We won the game without our leading scorer. In spite of how absolutely terrible this season has been, yet again, Stansbury is winning SEC games. We are now 4-4 with wins over Florida and at Ole Miss. 2 losses to Bama (best team in the SEC) and losses at Georgia and to a Vanderbilt team that is ranked (in which the game was hotly contested). EVEN IN STANSBURY'S WORST NIGHTMARE OF A SEASON, THE MAN IS STILL WINNING SEC GAMES.
"EVEN IN STANSBURY'S WORST NIGHTMARE OF A SEASON, THE MAN IS STILL WINNING SEC GAMES."
winning to you = 4-4?
He has a good HOME win over Florida
His other 3 wins are against teams that are a combined 6-19 in the SEC
He is 1-4 against good basketball teams
This defines his whole career- we will never be great with him as coach, and we will never be ******. He rarely beats the real good teams, but feasts on the ****** ones.
winning to you = 4-4?
He has a good HOME win over Florida
His other 3 wins are against teams that are a combined 6-19 in the SEC
He is 1-4 against good basketball teams
This defines his whole career- we will never be great with him as coach, and we will never be ******. He rarely beats the real good teams, but feasts on the ****** ones.