When did it become so 'cool' to be gay?

[RUPPsRevenge1]

Not a homophobe. Personally, I don't care who anyone sleeps with as long as it's between consenting adults. Honestly. I'm FOR same-sex unions although a pretty staunch Republican (more for fiscal than social reasons, though).

But, I'm just a bit skeptical of the entertainment types who have all of a sudden 'admitted' to same-sex feelings and/or relationships. It's like it has become a badge of honor to be gay. "I'm gayer than you are, so that makes me hip and noteworthy" seems to be the message. It shouldn't be a Scarlet Letter but, geez, enough already. I think it's more of a PR stunt for most of these people. Used to be in order to all but guarantee an Oscar nomination all you had to do is play a character who was gay, HIV positive, abused as a child/wife, etc.

I can and do accept homosexuality and same-sex marriage. But just because I'm not marching in parades and publicly celebrating homosexuality doesn't make me a homophobe. I truly don't care who anyone else is sleeping with. Why can't THAT be acceptable? I'm just tired of the bludgeoning of society that we can't just accept it, we must LOVE it and CELEBRATE it or there's something wrong with us. Don't I have the right to just simply not care?

Because that is the new scary PC culture that is the US now. It's not even about agreeing or disagreeing, you have to promote and celebrate. If you dont, you are a bigot. You have to have a certain opinion that is exactly like everyone else's or you are going to get blasted.

The 20 something crowd and the Internet has caused this. The fake anger over some of these issues is insane. The leftist kids now are quick to call anything racists, sexist, homophobic. They do an injustice to the terms by calling every person that doesn't agree or even promote their agenda these terms.

Not only do you have to agree and promote, one time saying he where you should have had said she will get you labeled. There are real racists, sexist, and bigots out there, but their new definitions for these words classify many more in those categories.

It is the worst form of censorship. Believe and promote exactly this or you will reap the wrath.

 

[RUPPsRevenge1]

This already happens. Gaming conventions, outdoors conventions, gun conventions, tech conventions, furry conventions, porn conventions, etc... Everyone celebrates their interests. Gay people are interested in the gay community so they celebrate it.

It's your opinion that it's idiotic and that's fine....but people who are not gay do similar things.

Just like you aren't forced to go to a Dungeons and Dragons convention, you also are not forced to go to a gay pride parade.

But you are forced to see it consume so much attention in news, web, tv shows, and sports. You can't get a way from it.

Your analogy is flawed. There are gaming conventions, but gaming conventions do not flood the media to a point that you can't get a way from it.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Can we just all have the same rights already. I am so tired of trumping up some group so everyone knows their plight. At least we have decided that being fat is a blight on society so we can make fun of them again. Not being able to make fun of fat people for 10 years from the mid 90's to the mid 00's is probably the reason America got so fat over those 10 years. Lo and behold we start dogging them again and people stop eating so much McDonald's and start going to the gym again.

Except for fat LGBT people.

 

[-LEK-]

But you are forced to see it consume so much attention in news, web, tv shows, and sports. You can't get a way from it.

Your analogy is flawed. There are gaming conventions, but gaming conventions do not flood the media to a point that you can't get a way from it.

I hate when I come home, strap myself into the chair, clockwork orange style, and I am forced to watch TV, especially, when everything on there is about the gays. Or when I read the courier this morning, it was nothing but stories of gays. I was forced to read all of them.

 

[fuzz77]

Because that is the new scary PC culture that is the US now. It's not even about agreeing or disagreeing, you have to promote and celebrate. If you dont, you are a bigot. You have to have a certain opinion that is exactly like everyone else's or you are going to get blasted.

The 20 something crowd and the Internet has caused this. The fake anger over some of these issues is insane. The leftist kids now are quick to call anything racists, sexist, homophobic. They do an injustice to the terms by calling every person that doesn't agree or even promote their agenda these terms.

Not only do you have to agree and promote, one time saying he where you should have had said she will get you labeled. There are real racists, sexist, and bigots out there, but their new definitions for these words classify many more in those categories.

It is the worst form of censorship. Believe and promote exactly this or you will reap the wrath.

Who is forced to celebrate anything? Have you been required to march in a gay pride parade?
I've never celebrated anything regarding gays...I just don't persecute them.

Being called a bigot because you want to slander people who are gay isn't being forced to celebrate being gay.

 

[fuzz77]

But you are forced to see it consume so much attention in news, web, tv shows, and sports. You can't get a way from it.

Your analogy is flawed. There are gaming conventions, but gaming conventions do not flood the media to a point that you can't get a way from it.

When barriers are lowered or destroyed for the good of all, it is natural to celebrate those achievements. Why do you want to get away from anything? During the civil right era were you trying to get away from that discussion and fallout?

You aren't forced to watch tv, surf the web or read the news.

 

[LineSkiCat]

Can we just all have the same rights already. I am so tired of trumping up some group so everyone knows their plight. At least we have decided that being fat is a blight on society so we can make fun of them again. Not being able to make fun of fat people for 10 years from the mid 90's to the mid 00's is probably the reason America got so fat over those 10 years. Lo and behold we start dogging them again and people stop eating so much McDonald's and start going to the gym again.

Listen, I'm all for gay rights. Just let them do what they want to do. And I agree, EVERYONE should have equal rights. But I also think everyone should be able to be made fun of. No one is safe from a good joke. As a white, conservative, Irish, catholic, I love making fun of the groups I'm apart of. There are no exceptions. You blow dudes, I'm gonna make fun of you for it. You're afraid of dudes that blow dudes, I'm gonna make fun of you for it.

I will rag on everyone, and when the day comes that I can't rag on "group a" because their feelings might get hurt, I'm going to do it 2x as much.

 

[-LEK-]

Can we just all have the same rights already. I am so tired of trumping up some group so everyone knows their plight. At least we have decided that being fat is a blight on society so we can make fun of them again. Not being able to make fun of fat people for 10 years from the mid 90's to the mid 00's is probably the reason America got so fat over those 10 years. Lo and behold we start dogging them again and people stop eating so much McDonald's and start going to the gym again.

 

[-LEK-]

Because that is the new scary PC culture that is the US now. It's not even about agreeing or disagreeing, you have to promote and celebrate. If you dont, you are a bigot. You have to have a certain opinion that is exactly like everyone else's or you are going to get blasted.

The 20 something crowd and the Internet has caused this. The fake anger over some of these issues is insane. The leftist kids now are quick to call anything racists, sexist, homophobic. They do an injustice to the terms by calling every person that doesn't agree or even promote their agenda these terms.

Not only do you have to agree and promote, one time saying he where you should have had said she will get you labeled. There are real racists, sexist, and bigots out there, but their new definitions for these words classify many more in those categories.

It is the worst form of censorship. Believe and promote exactly this or you will reap the wrath.

Is this why you put a tramp stamp on your back?

 

[mashburned]

Well said lineski. Bunch of **** with insecurities out the wazoo. That's the society we've created. And yes, **** come in all shakes, sizes, colors, and sexual preferences. The overwhelming majority are straight, obviously.

 

[wild mandu]

I'm just curious where all these gay characters are that we're "forced" to watch? They represent 3.9% of the 813 characters on network tv shows. 17.5% of movies released last year had a gay, lesbian or bisexual character.

QUIT FORCING YOUR GAY JUICE ON ME!

 

[argubs2]

Well, lets just say The King ain't okay with it. Here's some bonus coverage from the Memphis Wrestling thead

Dat slap doh

Seriously, that was good stuff. I guess I need to check out that thread.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I'm just curious where all these gay characters are that we're "forced" to watch? They represent 3.9% of the 813 characters on network tv shows. 17.5% of movies released last year had a gay, lesbian or bisexual character.

QUIT FORCING YOUR GAY JUICE ON ME!

I'd like to see those numbers when it comes to reality television especially on networks like E! and Bravo.

ABC is coming out with a transgender show now as well. Add that to Modern Family, Nashville, basically anything on ABC that Disney owns as having gay characters.

 

[anthonys735]

Probably when it became more socially acceptable.

-The Modern Family gay couple is hilarious. Also, nothing is forced on you. My TV has nearly 500 channels. If something is on I don't care to watch I turn it.

 

[DNOKAT]

Well, lets just say The King ain't okay with it. Here's some bonus coverage from the Memphis Wrestling thead:

that was awesome

 

[argubs2]

E! and Bravo

You watch E! and Bravo? Don't give me the wife / gf excuse please.

My wife likes that filth as much as the next....but best buhleee it isn't on the big screen while I'm chilling.

 

[KingOfBBN]

You watch E! and Bravo? Don't give me the wife / gf excuse please.

My wife likes that filth as much as the next....but best buhleee it isn't on the big screen while I'm chilling.

Dude my wife watches so much crap like that. The Bachelorette, garbage Housewives shows, Married at First Sight, whatever is on E. I've sat through a couple of those while doing work on my computer and have made her sit through wrestling and sports so it's a compromise but I let her know how idiotic it is but considering what I've watched, can't say a ton but I hate reality shows.

The saving grace is that she likes all of the good shows like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Justified, etc.

 

[argubs2]

The ladies love celebrity television filth man....they're naturally compelled to it.

Gotta take a hard line on that stuff.

 

[P19978]

As a straight, white male myself, I'm sure we're going to be just fine.

"Fine'?

Can we get back the billions spent on AIDS research, and spend it on something else more productive?

How many homeless could be fed or clothed... how many diseases could be cured?

Resources are finite: and we've wasted billions so gay men can enjoy themselves.

 

[VT/UK Rondo]

The Bible says two men ought not lay together or they will go to Hades. Some people call it hell, I call it Hades.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

"Fine'?

Can we get back the billions spent on AIDS research, and spend it on something else more productive?

How many homeless could be fed or clothed... how many diseases could be cured?

Resources are finite: and we've wasted billions so gay men can enjoy themselves.

Exactly. That's why I don't think we should pay for research/treatments for heart disease or diabetes. Fat people just need to stop being fat.

 

[wild mandu]

"Fine'?

Can we get back the billions spent on AIDS research, and spend it on something else more productive?

How many homeless could be fed or clothed... how many diseases could be cured?

Resources are finite: and we've wasted billions so gay men can enjoy themselves.

Congrats, you win the award for the dumbest, most ill-informed and insensitive post I've read in my six years on here.

Federal funding for HIV represents just <1% of the overall federal budget in the U.S., of which 20% is spent globally in predominantly heterosexual areas of the world. It's that spending you're so worried about that has kept HIV/AIDS from becoming a larger epidemic than it already is. But hey, people suffering and dying isn't nearly as important as having some extra cash in your pocket, right, dude?

We should stop spending money on breast cancer research so ****** guitar playing meatheads can't "enjoy themselves."

 

[jwheat]

My whole father's side of the family has heart disease and not one of them is/was fat. My mother's mother also died from heart disease and she weighed probably 100lbs.

 

[fuzz77]

"Fine'?

Can we get back the billions spent on AIDS research, and spend it on something else more productive?

How many homeless could be fed or clothed... how many diseases could be cured?

Resources are finite: and we've wasted billions so gay men can enjoy themselves.

You know that there is a large number of straight people who end up with HIV/AIDS.
Is Magic Johnson gay?

 

[jwheat]

Maybe the gays should stop pumping it in the *** and we wouldnt have aids /sarcasm

Just heard on the radio that there is 100+ HIV positive people in my health region. Thats a lot considering the small size of communities here.

 

[-LEK-]

Sweet. The one dude is trolling, hes just bad at it. No human is that retarded.

 

[fuzz77]

Slightly OT but curious in anyone saw the bearded lady on America's Got Talent this past week? From Lexington.

 

[Bill Derington]

Maybe the gays should stop pumping it in the *** and we wouldnt have aids /sarcasm

Just heard on the radio that there is 100+ HIV positive people in my health region. Thats a lot considering the small size of communities here.

Wouldn't end it, but would sure knock down the rate of newly infected annually. Since male to male sex makes up 75-80% of new cases in the US every year.

 

[GonzoCat90]

"Fine'?

Can we get back the billions spent on AIDS research, and spend it on something else more productive?

How many homeless could be fed or clothed... how many diseases could be cured?

Resources are finite: and we've wasted billions so gay men can enjoy themselves.

2/10.

 

[KingOfBBN]

You know that there is a large number of straight people who end up with HIV/AIDS.
Is Magic Johnson gay?

Maybe? He did live in L.A. Ayoooo

Let's not act like AIDS is not a lifestyle disease that is spread through sex and drugs for the most part.

Crazy study done by the NY Times a few years ago that claimed 80% of homosexual relationships are open.

Also, the CDC posted this...

The Numbers
New HIV Infectionsb

• In 2010, gay and bisexual men accounted for 63% of estimated new HIV infections in the United States and 78% of infections among all newly infected men. From 2008 to 2010, new HIV infections increased 22% among young (aged 13-24) gay and bisexual men and 12% among gay and bisexual men overall.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, white gay and bisexual men accounted for 11,200 (38%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among white gay and bisexual men (3,300; 29%) occurred in those aged 25 to 34.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, black/African American gay and bisexual men accounted for 10,600 (36%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among black/African American gay and bisexual men (4,800; 45%) occurred in those aged 13 to 24. From 2008 to 2010 new infections increased 20% among young black/African American gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, Hispanic/Latino gay and bisexual men accounted for 6,700 (22%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among Hispanic/Latino gay and bisexual men (3,300; 39%) occurred in those aged 25 to 34.

HIV and AIDS Diagnosesc

• In 2013, in the United States, gay and bisexual men accounted for 81% (30,689) of the 37,887 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older and 65% of the 47,352 estimated diagnoses among all persons receiving an HIV diagnosis that year.
• In 2013, gay and bisexual men accounted for 55% of the estimated number of persons diagnosed with AIDS among all adults and adolescents in the United States. Of the estimated 14,611 gay and bisexual men diagnosed with AIDS, 40% were blacks/African Americans; 32% were whites; and 23% were Hispanics/Latinos.
• By the end of 2011, an estimated 311,087 gay and bisexual men with AIDS had died in the United States since the beginning of the epidemic, representing 47% of all deaths of persons with AIDS.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

20% of the gay male population of the U.S. has HIV and half of them don't know they have it.

What's interesting about that stat is that it's a few years old. You'd think that the 10% who didn't know would have found out by now.

 

[P19978]

Congrats, you win the award for the dumbest, most ill-informed and insensitive post I've read in my six years on here.

Federal funding for HIV represents just <1% of the overall federal budget in the U.S., of which 20% is spent globally in predominantly heterosexual areas of the world. It's that spending you're so worried about that has kept HIV/AIDS from becoming a larger epidemic than it already is. But hey, people suffering and dying isn't nearly as important as having some extra cash in your pocket, right, dude?

We should stop spending money on breast cancer research so ****** guitar playing meatheads can't "enjoy themselves."

My argument is clearly a little too nuanced for you.

Why are we spending money on a disease primarily transmitted by "choice"?

Why can't we take care of those who are suffering due to circumstances outside their control?

 

[LineSkiCat]

Congrats, you win the award for the dumbest, most ill-informed and insensitive post I've read in my six years on here.

Federal funding for HIV represents just <1% of the overall federal budget in the U.S., of which 20% is spent globally in predominantly heterosexual areas of the world. It's that spending you're so worried about that has kept HIV/AIDS from becoming a larger epidemic than it already is. But hey, people suffering and dying isn't nearly as important as having some extra cash in your pocket, right, dude?

We should stop spending money on breast cancer research so ****** guitar playing meatheads can't "enjoy themselves."

This isn't' the first of your posts (just in this thread, fine else where) that made me scratch my head. Another one before this talked about Gays in the media, where the numbers looked funky and didn't provide any link, unless I missed it. The guy above is talking about comparing money spent on one disease versus another, and your retort is then to compare money spending on a disease to money we give to other countries? Not that I don't agree, but that's apple to oranges, and you kind of skirted the question. Are we spending too much on Aids research (From a U.S. standpoint)? Honest question to everyone here.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-an...tween-diseases-we-donate-and-diseases-kill-us

http://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending.aspx#legend8

One thing to note is that it's very hard to calculate Aids/HIV funding because it begins to touch other diseases, in that it weakens the immune system and opens up several other chances for disease and illness.

Still.. According to the second link, Aids is the highest SPECIFIC area of concern we've donated and fund-raised money for. All the areas above it, and a lot of the areas below are broad and general areas, encompassing many variations and fronts of said subject.

I do think you were right to call out the guy, pretty insensitive, but I absolutely think it's fair to question the amount we donate to Aids research.

 

[UKserialkiller]

My argument is clearly a little too nuanced for you.

Why are we spending money on a disease primarily transmitted by "choice"?

Why can't we take care of those who are suffering due to circumstances outside their control?

Reagan admin opened up the federal checkbook of about $2 billion dollars in AIDs research in the 80s, while Alzheimer's disease was only getting $1 million and still getting around $400-$700 million. The one disease that, if we don't figure out how to stop, by 2045-2050. U.S will be spending $1 trillion dollars alone on Alzheimer's related care. We're currently spending $1 trillion on everything as a whole now.

I can't wait to see that **** storm burst.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

P19978's mentality is exactly why we're having to spend as much per year as we do. Thanks, Saint Reagan.

 

[P19978]

Let's use Alzheimer's vs AIDS as an example.

One disease primarily affects people due to their choices.

One disease affects people with no apparent prejudice.

Easy solution: take personal responsibility and reduce the AIDS epidemic; easily done... if (!) you take personal responsibility, a concept that is not understood by the liberal mindset.

Channel those funds to Alzheimer's research.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Let's use Alzheimer's vs AIDS as an example.

One disease primarily affects people due to their choices.

One disease affects people with no apparent prejudice.

Easy solution: take personal responsibility and reduce the AIDS epidemic; easily done... if (!) you take personal responsibility, a concept that is not understood by the liberal mindset.

Channel those funds to Alzheimer's research.

Whatever the case is. We have to get more funding for that. 1 out of 3 people over 65 die of Alz and other related dementias. Looking at our demos, it doesn't look good for our future. in comparison, yes I think Alz Research is a much more financial problem on our society than AIDs. So I would be more than happy to gut AIDs research in favor for Alz. Not totally rid of it, but I would swap the current spending absolutely

 

[UKserialkiller]

It would be totally stupid to cut AIDs research. Cancers such as Leukemia and AIDs have some type of correlation. Disabled HIV is being used as a childhood Leukemia treatment.

 

[LineSkiCat]

P could very well be talking about funding the Aids problem in THIS country, and isn't specifically talking about the issues in say, Africa. Doesn't mean he's stupid. Maybe a cold-hearted *******, though. The problems in Africa with Aids and other diseases is horrific.

 

[UKserialkiller]

P could very well be talking about funding the Aids problem in THIS country, and isn't specifically talking about the issues in say, Africa. Doesn't mean he's stupid. Maybe a cold-hearted *******, though. The problems in Africa with Aids and other diseases is horrific.

Not at all. I agree with him on a lot of fiscal and govt policy side. Socially and religiously, totally different. But AIDs needs to be continued not because two dudes are butt porking and a religious book says it's bad, but because it is a disease. It's 2015 and I wish we all lived disease free.